The LinkedIn Insider’s Guide to Landing Your Dream Job

Published Jan 13, 2025, 8:05 AM

This episode is for anyone who works, whether you’re a first-time job-seeker or looking to make a pivot to something more fulfilling. 

Gianna Prudente and Jamé Jackson Gadsden host LinkedIn’s work podcast “Let’s Talk Offline.” They offer strategies for leveraging LinkedIn to land your dream job — like creating a compelling personal brand, building genuine connections, and more. Plus, they dive into how Gen Z is reshaping the workplace.

Hello Sunshine, Hey besties.

Today on the bright Side, we're giving you a crash course on how to land your dream job. Joining us our LinkedIn insiders and the hosts of the new podcast Let's Talk Offline, Gianna and Jammy are here. They're sharing their expert tips on how to make your resume stand out. The best way is to get noticed by recruiters, plus the top strategies to negotiate confidently.

It's Monday, January thirteenth. I'm Danielle Robe and.

I'm simoone Boyce and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine, bright Side, besties. We are going to keep it real with you, as we always do. It has been an excruciating, heartbreaking, terrifying week here in Los Angeles with these unprecedented wildfires that are tearing through our city. First and foremost, our thoughts are with the first responders who are out there protecting our homes in our city and the families who have lost everything and been displaced by this tragedy. Danielle, I just want to start with a quick check in, how are you doing?

I feel okay. I've noticed that my nervous system is shot. I'm just really tired how are you? Yeah, same, Yesterday was particularly rough. I kind of had an emotional breakdown yesterday. It's exactly what you're saying. You know, my nervous system is just completely shot.

And for anyone who isn't here in Los Angeles right now, it's kind of hard to describe the sheer panic and fear that's coursing through our veins right now. And as a mom, it's also been really hard because I'm trying my best to just like keep it together for my kids right and make sure that they feel safe too, But I'm not gonna lie. It's very difficult to do.

Yeah, I've been thinking about parents a lot during this time, because I think it's really confusing to try and explain what's happening to little kids in particular. I actually did evacuate a few nights ago, and I drove to Newport and I think snagged the last hotel.

Room in like one hundred mile radius.

It was so hard to get a hotel room and drove back, and you know, the air quality is bad, and I'm one of the lucky people, right Like, my my apartment's still intact, And I guess I want to highlight something that inspired me in the midst of so much tragedy. I think that in the worst of times, you really get to see the best of people. And you know, I grew up in Chicago in a very tight knit community, so community has always been at the very core of who I am, Like I put people over everything, and when I moved to LA, I desperately missed that. I used to feel like, I don't know if if I don't have that here or if maybe LA just doesn't have that. It's such a transient city. And for the first time since I've lived here, I see and feel the very best of the LA community. Over the past few days, I've witnessed an incredible outpouring of generosity, of kindness and that community. I mean, neighbors are helping neighbors, Strangers are showing up for each other, Brands and businesses are opening their doors. It's been a really powerful reminder of how resilient and connected we can be when it matters most. And you know, one of the wonderful people that works at Hello Sunshine is named Cassie Lambert, and she reposted something on her Instagram that I absolutely loved. I just want to read it off to you, she said, and this was her repost. I know a lot of people like to hate on the city, but this city is fantastic.

At its core.

Los Angeles is a proud, blue collar city with people from all walks of life, and then the creative black sheep from every family in America comes here to create art together. Do you realize how beautiful that is. I'm so encouraged by how generous everyone has been. We will come together and get through this.

It's beautiful, it really is.

And you know, Simone, you and I both love art and love artists, and there was something about that. I do feel like I was the black sheep of my family. I came here to create art. I don't know if you feel that way, but it's part of what makes this city so passionate and inspiring. And I guess I'm just getting to see the best of people, even though we're really in I think the worst time I've ever seen living here.

Yeah, La and California in general, we are a resilient city, a resilient state. It's kind of strange that this is happening at the beginning of the year because this is typically a time when we make our vision boards and we set our goals and aspirations for the year, and maybe there are some material things on that list that we want to acquire. But there's this timely article that I came across in the New York Times that really underscores what we're talking about, Danielle, really underscores like the things that really matter in life. And the author says that the best way to live a happier life doesn't actually involve lofty resolutions or you know, these complex mood boards. Instead, it's just about focusing on the people in your life that matter most. And the research underscores this.

Oh what does the research say.

Well, she cites one of the longest running studies on human happiness, and she says that it showed that close relationships actually protect us against depression, improve physical health, and just make our lives more meaningful overall. And she encourages us to see this shift, this marker and time as an opportunity to think about happiness not as just this self improvement exercise, but actually as an opportunity to really intentionally attend to the relationship around us.

Absolutely. You know, the US Surgeon General, doctor Vivek. Murphy, just came out with something he calls my parting prescription of America, and I love his thoughts on loneliness in particular, so I read through it all and he's really echoing what this article says. It's like nearly half of young people in a third of adult struggle with loneliness. And he's really talking about a cultural shift to rebuild community and rebuild these ties and how connection is at the heart of everything.

It seems like this is the national conversation at the moment right now. In thinking about some ways to actually put all this into action, the author of this article included some ideas for fostering connection and building relationships. Some of them are maybe outside of your comfort zone. They are for me, but I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks. It could look like upgrading, you know, acquaintance to a real friend by asking them to join you in a certain goal. I like this because it brings a level of accountability too. So that could be a book club. It could be let's run a marathon together, let's run a half together.

I love that.

Another way to build some more connection this year could be just combining chores with friends. Like I actually missed this. I remember doing this. I don't know if it was in high school or maybe when I was in college, but my friends and I would just like go to cvs together, you know, or we'd go to Target together, And there's something so intimate about doing those mundane tasks together.

Absolutely.

You know.

I have a friend named Brooke and we meet at the grocery store all the time. And sometimes I don't see her for weeks on end, but I always see her at the grocery store and it's so fun. And also I love the grocery store in particular because she's such a foodie and I'm not as much, and so she always is like, oh, you have to get this certain cottage cheese or you and I'm like, oh my god, my refrigerator is so much more beautiful because of It's true.

It's a great way for recipe discovery too. I love. One of my favorite things to do is just go over to a friend's house or host someone and just cook dinner together. Yeah. It's so fun because you get to learn more about your friend, You learn how they eat, you learn how they cook, and yeah, it's just a really sweet time.

Yeah, it's bonding.

Another way to connect in a real way this year is by throwing a party. This is fascinating. According to the Atlantic, Americans are in a party deficit. So on average, only about four percent of Americans attended or hosted a social event on any given weekend in twenty twenty three, only four percent. This is a national crisis.

I've been in a party deficit my whole life. This is not new for me.

But that's by choice.

No, totally by choice. No, that's four percent. Feels shocking. What do they consider a party? That's a good question, Like is a Shabbat dinner? Does that count?

It's a good question because I feel like there have to be more people than four percent having parties, Like even if it's it's just like all your family comes over for dinner one night.

Yeah, but you know, when it comes to relationships and connections, so many of us could really benefit from just a jumpstart, right, and not just in our personal lives, but in our careers as well. So today we're bringing in two LinkedIn experts who know the ins and outs of navigating the ever changing professional and workplace landscape, particularly with connection.

Yeah, I mean, online sites like LinkedIn have really changed the way that we all go after jobs and stand out to employers, and we're seeing the importance every day of how we persent ourselves online. I mean, it all comes back to that sticky phrase that we all know. Everyone's talking about personal brand, and our guests today are offering some fresh perspectives, some fresh gen Z insights on how to boost your online presence and tips on how to get the most out of sights like LinkedIn. Me personally, I'm always going to listen to what the younger generations are telling me to do, and I'm just going to do it.

I like that.

Well, our guest today are young and they do know what they're talking about. Gianna Prudente and Jammy Jackson Gadson are offering a super fresh perspective from the POV of that new generation, the one that's entering the workforce. Gianna is LinkedIn's first ever early Career Development editor, where she reports on workplace trends for gen Z and Jammy Jackson Gadson is a LinkedIn Community manager and she leads workshops and community events for the platform, and she's an expert at helping members develop their personal brands. So together they're a force and understanding workplace trends and have insights that will empower us to find the right job for us.

And we're with them right after the break, stay with.

Us, Gianna Jamay, welcome to the bright side.

Well, thank you, thank you for having us so.

Jianna, you are LinkedIn's editor focused on early career develment. I know that you report on workplace trends, so as a gen Z or yourself, please please help us millennials out what is gen Z doing in the workplace that we should be paying attention to?

Oh my god, what are we not doing?

I feel like everyone you know, it's bringing something unique to the table.

What I love it, including all of your feelings, Jill.

Oh my god, thank you for validating that.

So we need that.

Okay, there's a time and place to be super buttoned up and professional, but I think gen Z just wants to do things a little bit differently. There's so many ways to just like sprinkle fun and energy into our workdays, and I think we're bringing that to the table.

So I have to admit something to you both. I am a LinkedIn fangirl. Yay, I love LinkedIn. There are stats to back up some of my LinkedIn love okay. LinkedIn has a stat that says candidates are four times as likely to get a job using their LinkedIn network than when they cold apply on websites.

So with that in mind, I'm so curious.

Two people who work at LinkedIn, who know the secret sauce and the inner workings, what are the most effective strategies for using LinkedIn to identify job opportunities and then leverage these connections to maximize our job search success.

Definitely Well, first of all, when it comes to the job search, think about like you would vouch for your friend, right, hopefully your friend who's qualified a professional. Not just every friend, not every brand can't come to the job with you. But the friend who is coming and you know that they really want it and they're articulating their mission statement, you would vouch for them. We kind of look at LinkedIn a lot in the similar vein some ways that you can stand out, first of all, building out that experience section. Oftentimes I'm seeing a lot of people who just write their job title and there's no additional context. So if you've done really cool or dope things throughout your career, highlight that on your LinkedIn, you know, tagging your community, putting the ask out there. LinkedIn is so much more than just a job search platform. But I do believe that if you position yourself and if you've positioned your story, you really will stand out. Everybody is a brand, like you can carry yourself like Coca Cola or McDonald's the same way they have strong branding. You need to have it for yourself too. If you put yourself out there and you position your brand, others will want to attach themselves to that and hopefully throw opportunities your way, because one thing we're about, we're always about making that money. Okay, I love that. I'll add that.

You know what the beauty of LinkedIn is that you're able to post when you're looking for a job, and I think we saw that a lot when people were going through layoffs, sharing that they were open to work and putting what job titles they were actively seeking, so that people who saw that can then help them.

Is there a secret to the cold message? What's the secret?

Woom?

We just talked about that, but like, how do you make a cold message warm? How do you make it inviting? Like somebody wants to actually reply to it?

Yes, we got thoughts I have, but I'm curious what yours are, Jamey, you want.

To go first?

Yeah, you know, I would never respond to someone in my life just walking to me up on the street. Just be like, give me a job, right, You gotta be a kind of cute. You gotta court me a little bit, take me out for dinner. It be nice, you know, Like, look at this as a conversation. I always say, the best time to utilize your network is not when you're in need, cultivating that relationship over time. So if you've met someone at an industry event, if you've met someone through school or internships, just keeping on their radar mentors too, you know, every six months or so, just send them a note because then that cold email, to Gianna's point, is going to be a little bit more warm.

Now, if you are.

Coming in like far left field, you know, and you are doing a cold email, keep it short, keep it succinct, Make the ask known, because we don't want to try to filter through ambiguity, Like let it be known what you're asking.

But also pull those receipts after.

Okay, if you're asking to be introduced to somebody that they know in their network, or to be put up for a job make it easier for the person on the other side. And I think if we can think of that reciprocity, that sort of workplace etiquette, it will help minimize a lot of the stress, a lot of the anxiety, but also hopefully allow you to add someone new to your community through LinkedIn.

I think you also got to keep it personal because sometimes I get messages and I'm like, guys, like I'm around your age, like let's be friends, you know, like, let's keep it personal, And I think like adding context like why reach out to you know, why are you reaching out to the person, How do you think they can provide value? And also how are you potentially providing value to them, So it's not feeling so transactional. Especially I think a lot of people when you're starting out, feel like they need to lead with that ask. But really, when you think about it more from like the relationship building side of it, it takes kind of that transactional feeling away and then it leads to genuine connection. So I think it has to be personal and also provide context.

Say that you whenever you get an incoming message from a fellow gen Z individual that you want to keep it personal. What does that mean in gen z terms, like hey, girly there you should totally connect on.

What does it mean?

Yeah, I think it's just like adding your personality and being authentic, like being genuine to who you are. I think, honestly, I have send messages where I was like, Hi, I'm a new graduate and this is what I said, like very prescriptive because we were taught that in school. But when you take a step back, like I'm a human at the other side of the message, you're a human sending it. Like, let's find something personal to connect on. So maybe it's something you saw my profile that stood out, or like we have a similar interest just based on like the content I put out or what I posted, or we are also like around the same age and you're looking for career advice, whatever it might be. You have to build that connection first before you kind of like start talking business.

I guess I think that's so true. Got to it's small talk, you know, additional small talk is real. You kind of got to put in that effort before you put in an ask Jamay, I want to go back to personal branding ooh yang, because yeah, you brought that up and I want to dig into that a bit more so, what are three elements that make a compelling personal brand?

Ooh, I love this question. Elements that make a good per personal brand. To start to figure out, like what your personal brand even is, do sort of an audit of your community, Ask your family, ask your friends, ask people you've previously worked with. Hey, if you were to walk into a room and describe me in three adjectives, what would you say? And usually what you'll find is either the adjectives that they are using to describe you are absolutely on brand with how you want to position yourself, or you might get some listener feedback. And that's actually a really great place to be in because it allows you to know what image you're putting out, but also how you can kind of start to correct. I think that this is really important because you want people to describe you in a way that is also I always say like segment or title agnostic, because our careers are expansive, a lot of us are multi hyphenits, a lot of us are not going to hold the same titles or roles throughout our career. So you really want to be able to say, like Gianna, this is dependable, hard working, trustworthy, or you may she's quirky, she's energetic, she shows out in presentations, those small things because also particularly for gen Z and Malife, when we're in the workforce, these are the qualities that senior leadership is going to naturally associate you with. And so I would say a personal brand is really your calling card. If you can control the narrative of what others say about you, you're in a good seat. Your personal brand also is fluid. It's going to change throughout your career, and it should as you're building out your personal brand as the people around you get feedback, always hone in and then continue to show up as the person you want to be.

When I was first starting out, I found personal branding to be challenging because I didn't have the money to spend on a graphic designer or a website designer or I made the crappiest, most embarrassing business cards you have ever seen in your life, like my headshot on the back of them. I feel safe now because everyone who's in the same boat.

I made business cards in school table. I was like, what am I doing with these?

What are yeah? What are these? These are terrible? I just threw mine.

Now I literally still had them since.

My father still encourages me to carry them, and I'm like, he's like, you'll stand out because no one else has them. I said, I don't know if that's a good thing. I don't know if that's true.

But my question is about investing in personal branding because I do feel like it does take a bit of an investment to like get a personal brand that you feel confident in. Do you find that there's a way to do it without having those resources?

I fully agree with you that there is a financial investment if you would like to make before then there's so many things that you can get started with looking at your LinkedIn profile, And if I were to look at my LinkedIn, does this align with the person who I am trying to present myself as?

You know what I mean?

So if you say you're a writer, if you say you're a journalist, if you say you're a storyteller, you're about me sections to take me on a journey, But it also already begins to sell who you are as a person. You can show so much personality for your LinkedIn and honestly, I always say start with what you got. You can do all the other stuff later. You can upgrade the website, you can invest in the wardrobe later, But at the basis, if your identity is tied to what you want to be known as, that is it. There's a lot of people getting booked nowadays, getting put out on keynote stages and you know, making a whole lot of money, and their website is terrible.

People don't come to them for the website.

They come to them because they know that they can depend on them, because they've built such a strong personal brand that can even live off of social So I would definitely say start with what you got. Don't feel like money is the barrier, upgrade later on.

So I actually just upgraded or updated my website and was contemplating not doing it because I don't know if people use websites anymore.

They use Instagram, they use LinkedIn.

One of the things that I do think is worth the investment is a great photo, because I think that's the first thing that people see on your LinkedIn or any social page, and it kind of indicates who you are, what you're about. And also if you're professional, do you find.

That Gianna and I can probably both talk about many LinkedIn profiles. We've seen where it's just like that grayish figure and you're like, what is the cropped.

Image of your group?

It's like this, yeah, yeah, you can't be using like an extra photo.

Yeah right, or like there's no profile photo at all. And you know, I understand some people make it a little nervous about putting it out there, but I would definitely say when it comes to professional video and professional photos, don't overthink this. You don't have to go out and spend hundreds of dollars to hire a professional headshot photographer. What you have on your smartphone can get you started, whatever makes you feel good, whatever makes you feel confident.

You do not have to break the bank for any of this.

I think you're such a great example of it working because you said you wanted to be a host, you wanted to be a media personality, and now you and Gianna host a podcast for LinkedIn, and each episode tackles a different work related challenge, and there's one that talks about resumes and profiles and key steps to showing up.

So I kind of want to go through a few of those. Is that cool for sure?

Oats.

So there's a lot of people applying to the same positions. How can somebody use their LinkedIn profile to get noticed by recruiters.

One thing they can do.

I would say, highlight your skills.

We know that recruiters are increasingly searching for candidates by skills over experience, so there's options to demonstrate skills and have those flex on your profile.

So I think pay a lot of attention to your skills section.

I realized I had an update in mind for a while and I was like, ooh, I gotta go back and figure this out.

Yeah.

I would definitely add again though that also, like the storytelling is so unique. There are hundreds of hosts out there, there's hundreds of whatever your title is, what's going to make you different? And if you can start to show the receipts because honey, one thing we can't argue is receipts.

We can't argue receipts and data.

Okay, if you can show the receipts and the impact that you have had in the different places and the roles that you've had, that is what's going to make you enticing to a recruiter. Gianna knows. I like to say, you got to make yourself sexy Okay, you got to make sure everybody wants you.

What's an example of that, Like I took our sales revenue from X to Y.

I love that.

Yes, And so honestly, I see that a lot of people where they make the mistake. And I've been guilty of this too. You know how to say what you did? You really don't know how to dial it back to the company bottom line? What impact did it have? Why were you the person for the job. You got to hype yourself up. You got to be your biggest hype boy, hype girl. You got to really be able to show people, like when I step on the scene, this is what I'm able to do. And you can use that through metrics, but you also can use it through your portfolio and more qualitative aspects. I think particularly especially for those who work in the creator economy more or more creative industries as well.

It's time for another quick break. We'll be right back with Gianna Prudente and Jimmy Jackson Gatson. And we're back with Gianna Prudente and Jimmy Jackson Gatson.

When it comes to the about section, this always trips me up personally because I'm like, how much information is too much information? Do you go with a short bio a long bio? What do you guys see as as what works and what doesn't work?

I really do think like it's unique to each person, and I think like she was saying back to the personal branding aspect of it, when a recruiter hiring manager sees your profile, they get to see your experience. But the about section is really an opportunity for you to connect the dots for them, so to share. You know, what you do, what you're interested in, about, what you're passionate about, why you're pursuing, what type of career, and what experience you're bringing to the table. You can really articulate that career story right there and begin to sell yourself before the recruiter, even you know, has first contact with you.

Sell yourself in the fullness of who you are. Well, people hire you. They're not just going to get nine to five girly Okay, They're going to get all of you in some way, shape or form.

Okay.

What's a big mistake you see people making on LinkedIn that may cost them opportunities?

I think your headline is an opportunity to expand on like what job you're actively seeking. If you're actively job searching, your headline is an opportunity to kind of add some flavor rather than just like a job title. What's eye catching, what's something that's unique about you and the work that you do, what you're passionate about. I think there's ways to sprinkle that in in your headline.

I would say, I see people get really promotional, and that just doesn't create a good experience. I always like to say, ask your like, do the show, don't tell method, and really just sell the fact that you know what you're talking about, show up as your expert of your life, tap into different types of storytelling formats, and really, if you position yourself as an expert, others will also follow. You don't have to sell them on that. It will just naturally come out in the wash.

I'm so curious if you cause you guys did an episode on work best friends. Are you pro besties at work or anti besties at work?

I love this comment.

I think you would know the answer.

I think that was one of the first episodes gian and I had very contrasting a bit.

Well, Gianna, what's your thoughts?

So I am very pro work bestie and like I'm literally in the market for friends, like totally open to it. I think in general, a lot of ways people approach friendships at work is based on the time you are in your career. So when you're starting out, whether you moved away and you're starting a new job or it's this weird POSTCRAD transition, and a lot of us experience loneliness during that time, so you kind of are at work so much of your time that you look for friendships in those spaces.

I'm always down to make a friend, like obviously, like Jaan and I've gotten so much closer even in working on the podcast. You just need to always know where to place people. There are some people who are going to become your friends at work, and they're going to become lifelong friends, Like there are people who I've made friends with who were in my wedding or who.

I go out with.

But then there's also a number of people between the hours of X and Y we are cordial, but then that's kind of where the buck stops. And then there are some people where you have to know like where to do it, and I think honestly it allows you to text yourself. We also have other episodes that deal a lot with boundary setting and like ensuring that you set your boundaries early on so that people don't violate those. And I think, particularly as a black and Latino a woman, I have seen throughout my career in many ways, people like to violate boundaries if you don't set them firm enough.

I'm curious what you mean in terms of violating boundaries at work? How have you experienced that?

One that Gian and I talk about a lot is some people they like to send a slack or a team's message after work hours. And on the one hand, you're like, I've already said that, you know, after a certain amount of time, I don't want to really respond. I would like to disconnect. But then you're in the additional pressure of, well, this is an executive, so like, how do I, you know, navigate that conversation. Other boundaries can just be you know, invisible labor that we you know, we've constantly seen and being discussed, particularly when it comes to marginalized communities, and how do you stand up for yourself. The more we can learn how to respect each other's boundaries and how we can learn how to articulate them, particularly when we first enter the workforce, it'll be great. I did not set boundaries when I first started working. I couldn't, or at least I felt I couldn't. My mom always told me, you are a black girl, You're gonna have to work two three times harder than everybody else to get half as much as what they got. You don't get the privilege of saying no. And the sad reality is that's what happens to so many people, right And I mean this supersedes outside of race. This happens to women all the time. This happens to people from just different marginalized communities. And I would just push back on that by saying, what, regardless of what the statistics show, regardless of the challenges that you will face, you have to come home to yourself every day.

Ooh, coming home to yourself. I love the sound of that. Okay, what do you think is the biggest misconception that people have about gen Z.

There's a lot of rhetoric around gen Z being lazy at work. Even on a more granular level, it's gen Z wants to cut corners. This is the narrative that has been percolated for some time. And I think what happens when it comes to this idea of gen Z cutting corners. We're entering the workforce at a time where we're finding more efficient and effective ways of doing things. Like those traditional ways of working, we could probably do things a little bit differently, and so the way that we'll get from point A to point B in our careers will likely look different than our colleagues who came before us. But I don't think that's cutting a corner. It's just finding a more efficient way to do something. So hopefully people can embrace that and be willing to learn from our ways of working.

And I'll be the first to admit we have a lot to learn too.

So many people I know who are gen Z and the data supports this, are hustling. Nearly the majority of gen zs have a side hustle, whether they're pursuing a passion project or working multiple jobs to make ends meet. We're not expecting to get a hundred fulfillment out of our nine to five jobs. So at five o'clock, I got to go to my next get kind of thing.

Okay, I'm dying to know this.

What is the single best piece of career advice each of you has received. Wow, I know I'll share one of mine if it gets the wheels turning. Yeah, there's like a few that come to my mind, but one is one of my mentors, Steve Carlston said to me, if you don't build roots when you're young, you'll tip over when you're older. Oh, and you so a lot of times that hard work and sacrifice when you're young is so required in order to feel the fruits of your labor and have some sturdiness later in life.

I think that's a really big one.

And I yeah that because now I'm just thinking of myself as a tree and I can't get swayed if I have my roots. Yes, exactly, that's a prophetic word.

I like that.

I would say you are the prize. Always remember that you are the prize.

Oh.

I love that. There's so much crossover between dating and LinkedIn.

Oh, I love it Today's favor and I love you here. I gotta go in.

Truly you are.

And I think that, particularly when you're starting out, do you think the prize is getting the job or getting the money, or getting the accolades. And don't get me wrong, all those things are great, but at the end of the day. You have to remember you also offer something. This is an exchange of goods and services. You offer them something unique. And if you always remember that, I do believe you will know how to enforce your boundaries. You will know when to walk away when it is no longer serving you.

You are it. So yeah, don't let anybody ever convince you otherwise.

I love that one.

I think mine is something I've learned from Jimmay, honestly, which is that you are in control of your career. And it's something that I've been sitting with a lot lately. I started my career three years ago, I was like, I will do whatever to get the job. I will not negotiate because I don't want to lose this offer when I'm in that first few days or weeks of a new role. But Jimmy has really reminded me that you have agency in your careers. We are all bringing so much more experience and value to the table than we actually realize, which is why I'm so passionate about helping people starting out really realize the experience they have, even if it's not considered traditional work experience, and being able to articulate that so you feel confident in those interviews, in those networking calls.

I agree, you're making me think of something existential.

I love Heart's.

Sarious well, I love etymology. And the word conspire gets sort of like a bad rap. It has like a negative connotation, like you're plotting or conspiring to do something. But the Latin root really means to breathe together, con to inspire to breathe. And I think of all relationships work or otherwise as this two way street you're conspiring together. Both of you spoke to that in that it's really a two way street and you're both bringing value and learning from one another. It's some thing I did not do as a millennial entering the workforce.

I'm glad that gen Z is doing that.

Yeah, and also just a plug like, we have an amazing episode all around negotiating, and I think what was one of the biggest eye openers was that negotiating is just a conversation. So whether it's negotiating your job or your responsibilities, start to look at that as like a conversation that you're just having with another human being. And when you really approach you from that, it takes so much pressure off of you because I do think that you're looking at more as a collaboration and a partnership. This is really a two way street. So yeah, I'd really embraced that a lot more in my life.

That's so beautiful, Jimmy, I agree, you're conspiring.

Yes, thank you both so much for your time.

Yeah, thank you. It's so nice to meet both of you.

You as well, This was so fun.

Thank you for having us.

Thank you guys so much.

Gianna Brudente and Jimmy Jackson Gadson are the hosts of LinkedIn's podcast Let's Talk Offline.

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