The Breakfast ClubINTERVIEW: Brandon T. Jackson On Returning To Hollywood, Comedy Career, Cult Community, Spiritual Journey +More
The Breakfast Club Sits Down With Brandon T. Jackson To Discuss Returning To Hollywood, Comedy Career, Cult Community, Spiritual Journey. Listen For More!
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Ladies and gentlemen, we have Brandon T. Jackson. Welcome brother, We're back.
How you doing my brother?
Very well, very well excited. Uh show's doing good. So you know people are liking that.
Call Weber's the family. What brought you back to Hollywood?
A nigga's gonna have that?
What brought you back to Hollywood?
You know what's so much? It's so funny because when you when you go out and do a spiritual journey, you know what I mean, you and you learn and you aggregate people and you realize that it's like God gives you a gift, right to use. And when it gives you a gift, you're not using it. You could you can go crazy and you can you know, you can like get depressed. You can start and I think my gift. This is something that was given to do a purpose that's bigger than just acting. So I saw the whole thing, you know, trying to aggregate, you know, our people together, to come together economically. And I'm not the first one to try, and I want to say fail. But you know it's like artists were artists. What what he gave me I believe to to to be alike.
How the industry changed, meaning like for good for better art.
I don't think I never Here's my issue. The whole nominati cut off my gas. Everybody blaming something fictitious in my sense, not I don't you know the whole you know, do.
You have to sell your soul to be in Hollywood? Is what I'm saying. Question do you still have to sell it? Now?
I'm saying, I don't feel like it's like that. I wonder spiritually. I feel like whatever you would do to to uh, to get where you gotta go, you gotta find what energy is pushing you. My energy was always the most high, you know period. I mean my dad told me this too. He's like you you got my blood, my prayers, your grandmother's prayers, your grandfather's prayers running through your veins. So when you do these other things, your ancestors are calling for you not to do, so it won't work. You know what I'm saying. I've been to many you know, dark places in life, and I just like, don't it don't work for me? You know, I tried comedy.
It's comedy your safe place because you're doing acting, and you totally dove into comedy.
Yeah, you know what's funny, I've been I've been doing stand up since I was fortunate. I actually started doing stand up in church. A lot of people think I went and started doing I started as doing comedy and then I got the movie Roll Bounds.
You said in church.
Yeah, I started in church.
You get up in front of the congregation.
Though, Yeah, I was clean. I was a clean comedy. I mean I'm still relatively pretty clean, but not you know, I could do better. But with my dad, he don't like one to my shows. But uh but uh yeah, I talk about this in Chestnut. I got a new show, we Shopping new. Well, it's really good. I actually I would like you to watch it because you're a tough critic. DJ. He's seen me perform, he's seen me do well. He's seen me bomb, He's seen me get stendovations, everything, but you never seen me do comedy. I would like that. I'm gonna send that to you. Just called chest out. We shopping in Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, everybody. So it's it's it's looking really good. But yeah, comedy is it was my safe place when I was going through the whole spiritual journy. I actually talk about it, and the whole thing is about that, you know. I thought, you know, there's no disrespect.
But I thought at one time he was gonna quit comedy because I've seen a couple of shows with Brandon go up and this was right after everything and bomb.
Yeah.
I was like, there's no way Brandon is coming back after and this is the bomb that you like? Charlamane like bomb, like the bomb.
Yeah. I got two types of comedy I like.
I like when I think somebody is really funny and really making me think I'm just I'm actually just watching, like I'm not laughing, you know. I like to catch everything. Yeah, But when somebody's bombing, yeah, you love it.
I don't know why.
I think I like watching the person try to figure it out. That's what makes me.
But New York bomb is a different from a regular New York is a different. They they don't want to even let you get it out, like if you if you if you bomb in New York. Yeah, you could say it's like it's it's acceptable because the New York bomb is like you might be good in another city, y'all. It was a tough audience, y, but I don't want to say that. I don't want to say bombs every time.
But no, no, no. The DJ for his set at least fifteen times.
Yeah, does we're do it on tour?
So I did. Everybody said, got you guys, everybody.
Even for years though he seemed he that's what he saw. New York is the is what I got good. Michael shout out to him. He actually trained me to get good because I wasn't wronging them where I was doing all the movies. So it was Rocky three, you know what I mean, Like like then that's he was seeing that moment years ago.
You was rich a little bit, and that's like in.
Twenty fifteen, sixth thing. But now that's you know, that's that's old.
You stay with it though, because it's like you've seen that and it would take a lot of heart from comedians. I'm resilient and plus I already know, like I know what's going to have a waiver.
That's that's the old thing.
I've seen people comedians head down this, but you always head up.
I'll get him next time. But what gave you that? Because I know I known fundy him, I don't have to try to be fun. I'm a funny person, you know what I mean. It's just about connecting material to have a story at the time. So now I have a story how I left Hollywood for seven years, actually joined a religious called Achmock but Doc and had to come back. And Terrence Howard saying me, that's funny. You know what I mean? That two stories Somewhat it's just fabricated, but it's pretty pretty true. No, you gotta watch it. You gotta watch it.
Terence seems like he's still in the coat right now. I love Terrence. Though Arreens is smart, I totally agree. I think there's put this number in the calculating five five f Yeah.
But you know why I.
Respect guys like that is because they're at least trying to figure something else. They're just not what has been told to us all of these years. And if there's another ways, just show me.
He's dealing in the it's it's deep man, quantum, the quantum realm, and that's when you start talking about quantum physics and all that stuff.
Thank you.
It's a different game. You're talking different language. You know, we keep talking about Republican Democrats. Y'all better worry about these computers. This is this is about to get real. I have a tech company that that run and that I'm doing and these I have machines right now building machines by itself. Like he's in that realm and he's talking about stuff that people don't understand. So I know, you know, I talked to him yesterday, sent me a forty page book about what he was talking about. I don't understand any of it. Yeah, I read it. It's all numbers and stuff.
So did you ready? I was gonna ask you. So when you send that, Michael's helped you bring your raw back. What how do you do that?
Go to Jamaican clubs at three in the morning, do comedy. Go do that? See what happens. They're gonna play the whistles on you. In New York. Go to Harlem at three in the morning do comedy. Be the fifteen thousand person up and get booed, you know what I'm saying, and then then go do New York is the place you get great period Detroit, and from Detroit and Detroit to place you you have the flavor. But New York is a place you just you just They not gonna play, don't. They don't care. They got too many people. So we would go to the comic clubs every night, every night, all night, all night, all night. I'll be up to five in the morning. Now go shoot my show called dead Beat at the time, South Far Long Dead Beating. From there, I will go to the clubs all night, all night and we rip, say until you get standing ovations, and then then I start. He's gonna be mad at I start killing it because that would take I took his style too, because he has a New York style where he hit you like this, you see rip you know me. I'm an actually an actor style where I act out. I'm like a Richer and Eddie. Well, you got to listen to the act out. New York don't want to see an act out. They're more punchy, you know what I mean. That's a style.
You know what I mean, makes you play I think a little bit.
No, I don't. I mean, I'm in I love I'm in Michigan most of the time.
I'm talking about when you you're from the Triple, when you was out there doing the Hollywood thing.
Yeah it did. Yeah, it made me, It made me up. But I'm it's you know, I was so I blew up at nineteen.
Man, you think it came too fast for you?
No, I believe on the personal level, yeah, I believe that I didn't stick to my core energy of what brought me here. I believe that when you centered in God. And I don't like preaching and I don't like you better be afraid to testify. No, I know, but it's like sometimes people get on the radio, they always want to preach the stuff, but it's like, it's really the core of who I am. And I literally made a promise to God when I was a kid. I said, you make me famous, this is what I would do for you. Like, so, if you say, is there is there a energy pool? I do believe people do make dark covenants and different things. And I do think people make light covenants. In this case, my my covenant was was was was it light? I was always I was given the God as a child, you know, and symbol style you know what I mean with the anointed oil with so when you go like that, but you you can't get away from that. I tried. I tried it.
And so during your breakaway from Hollywood, and that was your focus, Like I mean, I know, I saw some quotes that you said you wanted to just build community as well, kind.
Of yeah, I know, the community center in the community to show up. So I'm back. I was. I tried, y'all, ain't even popular. I gave hundreds of thousand dollars to this dude, this cult leader. We sup will to build a community. I I don't know what's about us trying to build a community together where it's like this forbidden thing in the matrix and I just want to challenge it. And I realized that it's not really because we blame a lot of other nationalities and we got you, oh my god, we do though, But at the same time, it's like I dealt with only us for a long time and for seven years, and I realize that we have to like I went, I went, I went, I went to the mount the top. You know, we'll talk about what you're talking about because a lot of people might not know.
So you decided to try to it a cult, So you decided to Was it joining religion?
Was it? No? It wasn't that. It's just the way. I wouldn't say religion. It was more so understanding leaders that take the Bible and twist it to to control people. I would say, you know what I mean, that's what you were in. I didn't know I was in it. You never know when you're in the now. You know truth, You learn truth, want truth when people when people tell you the truth, but then they take that truth for their own power. That's when the truth is not. The cult is not the problem. The teachers are usually the problem, you know what I mean? The shepherds that that say, okay, now that you know this, you know what I mean? They start to you know, you know what I mean, give me a wife. He becomes like, wait a minute, what you know what I mean? Did they ask you what you know? What's funny?
You got a wife?
Now a wife? Now listen, I'm I'm I'm not If you don't road bounds was a long time ago. I don't got four children. I'm grown, I.
Got kids, and I thought, let's get back to the first question.
I feel comfortable talking about it. That's cool to know.
I'm trying to save it for the special, but we could talk. I wish, I wish this was an interview for the special, but because I talk about it as special.
But we can bring it back to the I'm trying not.
To say jokes that's in this special. You see me, and that's why I'm pandering because I'm like that was poking a little bit, but like so, but you really want to know that the dramatic part of it, it was more. It was more so. Uh uh, it wasn't the whole time seven years I was in the call. I literally was. Uh. I started when you when you're trying to go and build our community together, there's a lot of trauma. And I think people when they hold on to the truth and and and understanding of some certain scripts that they didn't put trauma on people. Is it the best way I can say it. Yeah, so, and the person wouldn't say he's in a cult, but he's definitely a cult.
Now.
She asked about you know your wife and you know there's a video of online talking about you re dated.
Yeah it was your ex wife technically.
Actually.
I was where you are?
Yeah, did you figure that out? I'll be back together, are we? Babe? Now I'm joking calling the babe. That's y'all locked in listen. You know it's funny. We we we try to keep everything very private now because we people can just get into were but we definitely are a family, and we definitely are. We love each other very well, very much. And I would say that for me, I feel like that I didn't give her the best version of myself. I would say that.
That's very interesting to hear you, you know what I mean.
I'm very proud of you to hear you say that accountability is hard sometimes.
Yeah, you gotta be accountable. I was, I was. I wasn't a I wasn't the best husband, and not because I was. I was just gone. It wasn't the guy she met, you know what I mean. I was achmach badac. I don't know what my name was at the time.
So you was like Martin, it was.
That's not how she met. So you know, it's like, we can't eat this, we can't do that. Yeah, sit down and all the submissive stuff. It's like you women and men submit to love. I learned we got to submit to love and love is is what's the key. And when I say that is selfless sacrifice, that's love. When you don't want to do something and you do it because you love that person. I think that's the lesson I've I've learned and I'm still learning because sometimes i'm I'm I'm very generous, but I'm not selfless, you know what I mean? How did you get back to Brandon? Some prayers? My mama, Jesus bring the mouth?
Jesus said, what did God say? Like, I'm really interesting?
Said, I went to the mouth the top and I seen it. I seen I've seen it light. You know, I've seen the whole thing. I was in. I was in the Holy land and God spoke to me on the mountain top and you know what he said to me. He said, get back to work, niggad, get back to work.
That's what he said.
I said, go back to work. I was done, you know what I mean?
And you do workman, acting yes.
And I do the whole thing. So you said get back to work, and I felt it and I was like, okay, it's time.
You know what I mean?
And it is cool because now I know my source.
You know what I mean?
So what did God say to you that made you step away? Then he just ripped everything from me. He's ripped it. It's like just ripped it, like just as fast as he gave it to me. Now I think about this, I did three minutes laugh factory right and became roll Bounce was my sec my first audition, got an agent at CIA right from one one.
Uh.
It was a miracle, the fact that I made it because they was coming to see another comic at the time and then they were like, what you know, you killed that set, you got a stand in ovation. Here's a card. I'm like, what's cod agency? And they know what COD was?
You know what I mean?
C A A right yeah at the time. And then oh my agents got me too. So it's ridiculous. But that's another story. Now now you know, I'm at buck Wall, shout out to them. But I'm saying back in the day, but that was the start of like the way the cosmic stuff happened, where I got moved to this to that and then it just it just it just it happened. So fast, and it was like cosmic. It was like, Okay, Boom, now you got audition with Rollbounds. Now you get Boom, got that movie. Now you go wilding out. Nick Cannon is showing you wilding out on the set of Rollbounds. Now you on that. Then you get an audition for Tropic Dunner. You don't get the park. Then they call you back.
And then you get the park.
You know what I mean? It was always it was always like that.
I member on Club Cat Williams said you you only became successful after dressing like a woman.
It is.
I mean, it's the whole woman dressed thing. I'm so it. It's so hilarious to this conversation that never leaves the internet. By the way, I'm trying, I gonna give yall sound by. I've come here and give y'll y'all sound by. You know. The cool thing about Kat Williams, he he has a cool way of of of of of getting people to listen.
You know.
He has a really strategic way of saying things that make people go. Is that true?
You know?
And he has a cool way of selling tickets doing that. He sold so many tickets. He sold my tickets with that ship for real. When he said that my whole tour was old, I was like, thanks, Kat, So it's kind of like one of those things where no dress thing, you know. I'm so I'm so partial to the to how you look at things, you see it. So, so you have this error and I'm just gonna give your history Martin Lawrence, uh missed out fire all this stuff in the nineties were there was no Internet. Everybody's blind to it, right, and then after that era you have Dave Chappelle comes out on Oprah and says this thing that's that was the start of it, saying what I'm saying. So no one knew the conspiracies or whatever it is about this. Now think about it, a kid growing up in the nineties, right, Brandy Jackson watching everything, I'm watching, I'm watching Martin watching everything. Mark Johnson, Ma, ma, ma, you know middle Internet. So you look at you have this, this this knowledge of you of these things. You know you're looking at it. If there was something wrong, why don't we as men come to that person and say, hey, hey man, look you should do some research on this. I believe this is a dark energy with that, you know what I mean? Uh, Kat never did that. I respect him very much, but he never mentored And that's why the mentorship in our in our community sppecial to be black man, we don't. We just want to say things in the media instead of calling somebody up. So what is your attentions to really save me and help or is your attention to bash my brand? So you're gonna look better because when Martin came to me and said this play is played in the movie, I was like, yes, I'm twenty five, pay me three million dollars to work with Mark Lawrence. You know what I'm saying. He had this big ring, He's eating steak. I'm like, I want I want to you know what I mean, You're twenty five. I need that move at twenty four, fresh off Tropic thunder. So it's like, no one's thinking about any of that stuff. So and that was the case because he said on the interview, Zach words was he said, y'all don't want me, y'all want Brandony Jackson, right And I'm looking at him on that I'm like, so, wait, you knew they were gonna come for me, right like, and you told them to kind of you tipped them and say, y'all need to go get brandity Jackson. So was that kind of pimping me out to the illuminati or was there in his mind?
Or what do you feel like commedians were in addresses illuminati? Do you know what I'm saying, that's what he's saying.
What do you think though?
What do I feel? I feel that? I feel that. I mean, I don't, That's what I'm saying. I don't. It's it's missed out fire lumin It's like someone is black as a little like, I don't know what it's us. It's Luminadi, but one of white people is comedy your point.
I'm older than you, I'm forty six, But when I was younger, I just thought it was funny. Yeah, I thought it was nothing else, not even gay, like not even it just was I just thought it was funny.
I feel like when I moved to la Is when I started hearing that like black men wear a dresses whatever whatever, and I was like, what, I just thought it was funny too.
I see both points to the defense. I never in our dramatic arts, uh doing the history, we never had those type of that came from Greek and Roman Greco Romans, you know what I mean. So if you're saying you're going to be pro black and pro this, and this is what we are, this is what we do, that was never our art form doing that, far as as I can study, when I study ancient art, ancient folk tales, ancient storytelling, we never did that as far as I know. So when people say, hey, look that is a Greek Roman situation, then you know that could be that's an argument there because we probably learned it from them. So if you if you're saying this is how our nationality and what we do and we're sticking together, then there's an other nationality said, we're Americans and this is just art. So I've I just say this. People think that I think I said it's one of the interviews that the dress ruined. I think they actually they.
Say you said that, you said it was you said, you said your career went downhill after the Big Mama's House. You believe it was cursed because nothing went right since then since you wore to dress.
And that's yeah, but you got to look at it. That's also my mind was in a certain place too, So I would say, right, I would say when I was straight away from my principles. It is one is when when when things got bad on my personal life, you can't blame as I'm saying, you can't blame uh you know your agent, you know what I mean, or whatever people like to blame Hollywood. You know what I mean. It's not Hollywood. Is what you do with the power. And once I learned that, I'm like, it's not it's no hoghywods. No to me, it's no invisible goals that's trying to it's like God universe what they want to call it. I say, Most High gives you, uh, it gives you a choice to go down these these these pathways to learn. And I don't really believe there's any wrong choices. I believe that you're learning a lesson that you have to go to get to where uh, the Most High wants you to be, to learn as a human because we're still learning. Were still we don't know the extent of God's love and we don't know this the extent of his judgment. We just don't know. So if you have these lessons you're learning, I know I would never do it again. Well, who's helping branding right now?
Going through all these and the ups and downs and the pitfalls, to make sure that you mentally are okay, Like who's helping you out during that process, because just talking to it seems like it was it's been a lot on a on a young kid in the industry that's like, I don't know who's helping branding if anybody you.
Know what my my my father, I got, I gotta, I gotta. I got an amazing father and mother that that just I can talk to like it's not you know what I mean? And my fast nine of us. I caught my brother up. Like, I met Holly Bury the other day and I told her the picture. Yeah, I told her, so listen, I'm taking you can't you can't have me, no frudo, I was. I was so nervous man. When I met Holly, I read it off five movie titles for to remember who I was. She know who the hell was? She was like, was like was out there like I was like a big mama. She's like huh and She's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, traffic thunder that was. She was like, which black guy. I'm like, come on, well, you a lot younger. I was like younger, Holly Berry, I feel. I mean, I was just happy to take a picture where her. She's beautiful, man, and she's very sweet, very very nice. I mean, I'm not that that. It doesn't it doesn't bout Honestly, I hate to say it, but I really don't care too much anymore about that stuff. The stuff they got to do it fine, Holly Berry is you know what I'm saying, Like she's her as a human. You know, I don't because she was so dope fine man. At first, I'm like, damn Barry, you know, And I'm like, and I saw myself rattling off these things. I could see her face like just say what up? You know what I mean, like high my own. When I saw that she was normal, by.
The way, that very what starts.
Media.
I was nervous, bro, I was. I was so nervous when I was nervous, man, what was she She was in the in the Delta one skylu what yeah?
Wow?
So she was there for a minute you could have I mean, she had a boyfriend, and and I'm I'm I'm I'm taking right now.
I want to ask you.
You said you mentioned your brothers and your father. What did they say when you put on the dress.
I mean, no one said anything. No one said nothing until Cat Williams said something.
Wondering. Didn't bother you, It never bothered you.
And tell somebody said something about because that's the most fascinating to say. When people have no problem with something. Your conscience is fine with it, you know, your spirit is cool with it. But as soon as somebody else said something, now you like.
Yeah, well it wasn't just that. It was more so my ro stayed in Atlanta for like eight months after that, just doing music. I don't I lost my mind on that movie. I don't know what happened, you know what I mean. I think it was definitely was something that wasn't right on that movie. I will say spiritually, I will say that now I can't explain it, bro, because because I stayed, my agent called me, we got this new Bro. If you find out the stuff I turned down, tell us nice, it's depressing. But if you find out stuff I turned down while they were getting me to try to get out of Atlanta, my manager had to get me out of Atlanta and move me. I had this big penthouse. It was just wol was wild and bro, I don't even know why I don't know if I was subconstantly trying to escape stuff. But then that's when I had my first my first daughter. You know, I can't talk about it because you know, I don't like no court stuff coming over here, crying on here like tyres and stuff. But I don't want to have I got it. We have the same issues that you know. I'm trying to I can't say too much, but I would say this that that started my legal battles personally. That movie when it came down to me having a child, going through child support court, going through all that stuff. That was That was the movie that that happened. But that could have been because exactly could have been mean person.
You're doing it with, Martin.
It was a big movie.
It was promoted everywhere in a lot of ways. It's like, oh he going on it.
Just understanding the impact of all of that as somebody who you weren't like you said you didn't have like no one called you and said, hey, this is how this.
Is going to go to one mentor cat None of the mentor does they saw us talking to the media. Just you gotta I have a whole mentorship program that I do. Uh, it's called making the brand where we're building businesses and really teaching financial literacy. I do that now because nobody be telling us how to do this.
I get it now.
Though It's kind of like you're navigating a room in the dark trying to find the light, like the light switch, when somebody's literally over there at the light switch, and they're like, oh, he'll figure it out because you're doing well.
And that's tough.
You know what I said, who did mentor me a little bit? Simbad was He's a great great MENTORBA Simbad is one of the dopest and his brother Mark Atkins, he was one of the first ones that would showed me around. That was that was the guy that was really showing me how this works. And you know, he he was the only, like I would say, the only mentor I had. But you got nineteen. My dad didn't know nothing about Hollywood and how things go. And then you know, you and not not making excuses, but we don't mentor other talents and and even financially, you know, you know, I've been through so much where I lost everything with my you know, that lottery ticket scene was real in real life. You know what I mean I went broke, I lost everything, and then God just restored it. I mean I'm rich again. I mean the praise God. I'm making a lot of money and it's a blessing. I'm not saying that to to brag, but it's like, as as as quick as it left, it came, it came back.
I wonder, right, because you know, I've seen you reference to Scripture Deuteronomy twenty two five and you said that's one of the like, I guess that paraphrasing, but that Scripture kind of forbids.
Cis gender men from wearing women's clothes. Getting that right?
Say it again? I'm rusty right now?
What does that?
I think it's Leviticus.
Is it Leviticus?
Oh, but it's a line from the Bible that some people believe for bid cis gender.
Men from wearing women's what.
What's the it's twenty twenty five.
I thought it was Deuteronomy twenty twenty.
Now it's Leviticus.
Vinic is Alsouteronomy.
Yeah, a state a woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor show a man put on a woman's clothes. In Anyone who does such things is an abomination to the Lord. Your God scripture, Yeah, court the scripture.
So why didn't hurt other people? Other people's careers?
You know what I'm saying. No that that whend that when I caught that.
This on comedy hype.
Yeah, okay, I'm saying, but why did Why didn't other people put the dress on? It didn't hurt their careers? So why do you think it? Why do you think God cursed you?
I mean that's old, that's old something, but I believe I cursed myself with with with when it comes down to not following you, I'll tell you this. If you don't, if you don't follow the ways for me, if I don't follow the ways and the most I tried it, I believe you. I'm saying my ship went down. You know what I mean. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna test that anymore. But I would say I can't say it. I can't say what God's special. We don't know God's grace and his love for other people. I can't say what he told you to do. And he never told me not to wear a dress, you know what I mean, not like that. He never said that. He never told me not to work with Martin, But he what I would say is that once I had, once I learned that scripture, that's when I started to realize was it this? And I think it I was on a lot of pre interviews while learning learning the learning scripture, and I think I was talking too much on the internet without getting full knowledge of the of the things. Maybe it was maybe maybe it was, maybe it was that, maybe it wasn't. But I would say this, I would say that that experience brought me to a place where I got closer. I got closer with God to understand his mercies. I know it's mercies and I know it's judgment from for me, So I can't say, uh. I mean, I've seen some people sniff cocaine and go up. I mean, you know, you know what I mean.
Did you ever get caught into that that that Hollywood life of the drugs and drinking?
And I don't do not. I mean I drink, but like sometimes you know what I mean. I might have a drink after this, but we don't get drunk. I mean, I don't know I smoked weed. I mean it ain't not. But now I'm more like, you know, I'm kind of on my health stuff now. But that mean who didn't. I never got into the extra drugs, you know, I mean for.
What I have a question now, because it seems like you're in a lot, like you're in a more restored place.
Yeah. He restores my soul, right, Yeah.
I mean it gives me. It feels like you're kind of working through things or have work through things. Have you had a conversation with Cat Williams at this point about the stuff that was said or what I've.
Been trying to have a he keep running around the internet. I can't get Cat called me like it's easy. It's not. I could were you'll cool before. I've always been a fan of Cat, he said, never meet your heroes. I've always been a fan. I love Kat Williams. Like it hurts me to hear him say these these are my mentors, you know what I mean before? No in my in my head in the media, like these are my my comedic mentors. I'm studying these like these are people.
You're looking up to know?
Why you though?
Why did he Why do you need to my mom? Like Cat always talking about you. I'm like mam and everybody everybody he did, but he been talking about me for years, Like it's been since we was since I was like twenty three twenty four.
He said, it's been like twenty some years, right, you keep going with it.
I'm like, what, Like, I don't know, man, but I would love to sit down and have a conversation with Cat Williams just to be like, Nick, why, what's the problem?
You know what I mean?
If whatever his reason is it is like, I mean, I really don't I really don't care, but I really wouldn't know, Like why you keep talking? What's the what is the social media are a llure of of me?
Like?
Talk about somebody else?
You think if the person Jackson franchise would have went a different way? I mean that's Perthie Jackson personally? What was the person was frustration Press Jackson?
Right, yeah Jackson?
If that franchise would have win a different way, you think things would have been different for you? What you mean if they would have had more success? What do you mean different from me career wise? Because everybody was saying that was supposed to be like the next Harry Potter franchise, and I mean you see would have did Potter different?
Daniel Radcliffe like, what you think that would have been the same for you.
I don't know. I have fun. We did that Vancouver and we had a good time. I mean nothing. I love my path. My path is dope. Like who the comeback kid? That's about who wants to watch somebody on top all the time.
Michael B.
Jordan always got muscles. You know what I mean. I love it. I mean all the time. You know what I mean. Like you know what I mean. Like even even Jonathan Majors, you know what I mean. He like he's coming back and doing his resilience. It's all about what story. I believe. I believe we actually write our stories too. I believe subconsciously we co write with God personally. This is my saying is I want none of y'all people to hit me up like God ain't the Bible but Ible. I would say that we're co creators with our decision making to learn the best thing. I think. I actually, I think subconscously I wrote this story. You know, I don't like to man, it's not fun to watch somebody the hero God of the flawed hero. You know what I mean. I'm the flawed hero. I might get drunk sometimes, you know what I mean. I wore a dress and got mad and got on the internet and said everyone's going to hell. And then you know what, I mean to come back with a number one TV show. That's that's the cool ast story.
I agree.
I mean, it's interesting because it feels like you've made your own choices every step of the way.
I did, probably not knowing.
I got to say. Some of it seemed like on an accident.
I think it's instant. I think it's God leading me. And then they said that they say lead you in the path of rights, not to get so deep, but I mean, like he he has and even when I make mistakes. That's why I say, I can't say why that didn't curse somebody else can say why is this? And I can't say it really cursed me because in that interview I was deep in new understanding. When you have new understanding, you're not supposed to even speak out about that. So I would even I would say that that that movie led me down a path for me to learn whatever lesson I need to learn, whether it's humility, because I mean people said that back in the day, I was cool, but I was very arrogant. Arrogant but I was just I mean, I grew up in a two parent home. My dad owns a network. You know what I'm saying. He put confidence in faith in me. So I was never trying to be uh. And that's the thing about black legacy. We say we want family, business, want legacy, but then when we all, when people see it, they want to talk against it. Everybody want that ship. I watched I watch this ig like like and my my wife be I can't spend like that yet y'all don't know the way. The way yo, that y'all be y'all be killing it. I love, I love my family. Listen, I love it. I love I work for them. I know me too. I'm trying to get on your level. But I'm saying what you what you do is it's so dope. You know. It's such an inspiration for people with family, family man, you know what I mean. And we need to see that that legacy, you know, you know what I mean. We want to see our kids live great too.
Because there's a lot of people that didn't show that. Like you know, talk all the time about raising our kids. There's no instruction manual, so you've got to figure it out on your own. Same thing with relationships, there's no instruction, manual love. A lot of times you think you're dealing with it by yourself. So when you do things, whether it's infidelity or insecurity or whatever may be raising your kids, there is nobody to be like, damn, I fucked up?
Is it just me? So that's why I put so much. I put the good love and I write you know, the books.
Real Life, Real the Family, Real Life, Real Love, because I want people to know that you're not the only one. You make mistakes, and it's okay to come backast people say, and he'll make fun of me, and shit, make fun of me, but it's all love regardless.
I know that these people love funny.
Nobody makes fun of you. You're just goofy.
They thought I was arrogant. I was walking in legacy. You see the confidence that his kids have. They walking in legacy. They can say, my my father's there, my father. I was that my my grandfather. Horace Jackson got rest and so he got We got streets named at them in Detroit. You know what I mean. We just build a school in Ghana, Horace Jackson's Technology uh University in Ghana, Like we gotta do these things where it's not just about being famous, wearing sunglasses, smashing chicks. It's trying to build legacy, and that's what I'm on. I'm not trying to just be Okay, I'm Brandie Jackson, I'm past, I'm Brandie jacks and stuff. We're trying to build family and businesses. I know that's a plug, but that's what we're doing, family and businesses. Bro, you know what I mean.
Legacy.
But you're right, and I mean it's good to see you back in a mentally healthy, emotionally sound space.
I think so anyway, I.
Think it's dope, and that's that's why I don't even really want to talk to you, because I really want to see your stand up because I feel like all the answers are in the stand up and then we can have a deeper conversation.
Yeah, it's it's. It's it's. It's it's funny because it's drama and I'm funny. I'm not really. I was talking to my agent about this. I'm funny in a drama. If you notice everything I've done. That was like, I mean, honestly, I'm not supposed to say this, but I don't care. I don't think big Mamaself is a good movie. I think it's horror movie personally, Remember exactly.
Why do you think it's a horrible movie.
It's a good movie because because when you have a tropic thunder palette offense, when you're around those dudes that are writing like like like Danny McBride just in the row, they writing the highest octane of high level satire. Mail Brooks. When you study comedy slapstick, I don't like slapstick. I'm not good as a slow.
Bar comedy like it was like easy punch.
It's slap I'm not a slapstick artist. I'm funny in a drama. You know, the best was that was Eddie was always funny in dramas. Beverly Hills Cop is a drama. Martin does better, and he actually both. He does great slapstick because this whole show was slapstick.
But Martin's of the best physical comedians.
Yeah, physical comedians, but he can do both. Martin and the drum. Bad Boys is a drama.
Life was a drama.
Was the drama. So when when that's why I'm like Big Mama, slapstick it, you know, it's not it's not challenging it's phoning it in, getting the check, dressing up. So but now with this, this film I have with family business, I mean it's people like, man, you go acting this. I'm like, it's good. I know. You can do drama like dramas. Drama's easy. Comedy is hard. So I think I'm I'm the king of drama. Y I would say, I can do both. I can do drama comedy, you know what I mean? Very evenly.
What's special it's called chest out drama is more of.
I would say. I mean, it's it's not like it's not as heavy as as Jamis was, but it's it's definitely it's the through line is drama. You know what I mean. Leaving your wife and going to damn Nashville.
Yeah, you know what.
I mean, and in white coats and sheets and stuff, and your wife is sitting at home like, you know what I mean, where's my husband at? When does that come out? When can we see that? If y'all keep shouting out, we get a great deal. So we're negotiations with like two networks right now. So I just like, I don't I don't I mean Netflix, y'all. Y'all said, y'all must have been eighteen billion. Kind come on, I really I really like Netflix because I think they know what to do. Amazon's been great with specials lately, you know, you know, you know, it's funny people get people had on Toby. First of all, I love Tooby. Movies Club is on Toby. I know, yes, love to Be. I gotta deal with to Be. Actually, and my bros are people Detroit are making mad beautiful and they're owning their piece.
So directly, yeah, meet, I loved you.
I love Toby. To Be is great too. At first, it was, you know, it kind of got random, like you wouldn't getting Dinzel Washington. You get Denzel Washington, you know what I mean, be some bouleg Denzel. And then uh, you know Ethan Hank, Evan Falcon. Uh sorry, so the eating honk but no. But now it's like, I feel like we laugh at that. But then you start seeing all these producers come up, you know what I mean, Detroit, all my bros. Shout out to Dennis reed Man, Robinson, all these guys that that are killing in the film game, and Tooby is definitely an option. I love Toby. To Be is great there. They're definitely an option with that, so I could keep my ownership. You know what I'm saying. So's we'll see. But with the special therapeut you oh hell yeah, yes, yes, and uh you know, you know I would say Terrence. Me and Terrence talk a lot, no see, Terrence Howard, we talk a lot about how we're not understand both pisces. So a lot of people don't understand you know, the vicious fishes, right, we got one fish that you know, I would say it's very composed and the other fishes little crazy, I would say, crazy, but emotional them. And we talk about how we were misunders I'm eccentric, so we're misunderstood, you know what I mean? So when I went out one Terrence, me and him, you know, we talk a lot about know what he goes through, how he no, he's just like he's actually right about what he's said. But nobody he's in the special Actually.
Yeah, I don't think you're misunderstood. People just don't know the story. You got seven years on Terrence, I'm talking about you. Yeah, I got seven years to fill in, and I think that's the specialist.
Going to do it.
We only knew what we saw, like media wizing like little bits of things here and there like sodom. Yeah, when you were in you would say the boy would go it would be everywhere.
I don't even know that.
And you don't want us to listen to YouTube YouTube, you know what I'm saying.
Crazy.
I knew he was gonna go here too in this MBI. I'm happy you did because no one really actually talk about you know, where have I been in that in that layers and and even to be mature enough to to speak about it in a way where I'm not emotional about it and not hurt. I'm healed and to see uh, to see where I'm at now is a blessing. But I would I would say this that I would say that I would. It was a spiritual hazing. Also, I think God was was was was testing me. He does this a lot with with people, and that's you know, I only say I hate that word chosen, but people that he has a purpose for. He'll rip everything from you to see if you're still going to be with him, if you love and I don't even say him, but it, if you love it or the most high, if he loved more than your your your career, more than everything more than your family. And he did it to Joe. He ripped everything from it. And I guess I I think I passed that. I don't want to go through that again. I'll tell you that.
Did you see Kyrie Irvan nothing that when he towards a c l.
In his eyes and he went to the free throw line, and you know, because he had to take the two shots before he exited the game. He hit one and right before the second he said, thank you God. Wow with the tory, they said he knew something was completely wrong, probably knew this is really bad injury.
He said, thank you God. Yeah.
So just like you know, we like to give praise to God when things are going good. But if you really truly are believing, if you really truly have faith, you gonna thank God when things are good and bad so called back Because I don't believe either. I don't believe it's so called good also called bad. I believe everything is just part of a process.
That's why I'm learning, That's why I'm getting to that. I'm that, Yeah, you want a journey.
We don't want a journey. You had a different chapter in your life right.
Now, BTJ be the journey right now, How did all of this the stuff that you went through and then once you're healed, like then you come back to acting with like family business, how do you what are you channeling from all of this in your role now? Because I think in this role, I was more surprised to see you be like serious the bad guy like not but like there's like guns and it's like like, I don't know, you were just always so clean to me in like a lot of the work that you Yeah, like, so how are you channeling that or is that even a thing?
In the family business New Orleans?
You know, you know, it's funny because we had a we had a my dad had a shoe company called Wayne T. Shoes back in the day in Detroit the middle Detroit place get robbed and stuff. But we were running the store. That that is the like even though I grew up in the hood and the suburbs, I would say, my, my, my, my, my seven mile Woodward businessman watching my dad run a business. Guns, you know what I mean. I won't say too much, but like people try to rob the we had the gators and every people try to Coolie's and all that. People try to rob them. You know we would have you know, we would have to you know, chase them off and do this. So I remember the times that my dad would you know. I remember this one time, this trucker pull pull us over my dad hopeing he'll get mad with telling story because my dad was, you know, he from the streets before he became a pastor, drug dealer before he became a pastor, which is most Detroit preachers, so he still had that edge and everything. So I remember one time this truck uh pulled us over, I mean run us off the road. My dad's like five a's like my size five eight. And I watched him pull this trucker out, his white truck or the trucker at out of the freaking car. He was like six maybe maybe six two sixty three, pulled him on the ground and I was like, nick, I can't say the n't word right. He said, He was like, nigga, have you ever mess with my family? I was like, yo, so I swim My dad roar as a lion, and the dude was he was jacking him up. My mom was like, stops. So I'm challenged. I'm channeling my father kind.
Of character in the show he's very yay.
I'm channeling that that energy that is really not mine. It's really my dad's energy. Because I grew up pretty, you know, pretty pretty cool. You know, I didn't really have I'm not gonna be like I'm I grew up nice, but we also grew up running businesses in Detroit. The church was over here, the shoe store was across the street. I had to wash the shoe store. I have to shine the shoes, I had to wash the register. So that I grew up in the family business. So I'm I'm challenging. I'm channeling that. The white side you see is my West Bloomfield, you know, all white neighborhood. I got both, you know what I mean. That's kind That's why my jacket probably looked like this. I got I'm a variation of things, you know what I mean. So we look forward to seeing you.
And Chris Webber is the family business as a Christmopher, call Weber and also when we when you're special, come on, come.
Back up so we can talk about that specially. I would love to. I'm listen and I'm it's fine. You give me your honest opinion. I've I've what I would say, I. I screened it for a lot of people, and it got it got in a lot of festivals, and it's my agent said, don't put in the festivals because we want to present it, you know, a certain way. But it got a lot of good reviews from a lot of people that watched it. So actually your opinion actually counts to me in comedy because I know you're tough, You're you're you're a tough critic. You're analytical too, so I can see what you're like watching you know, like when they bomb and watching people figure it out.
I love dramedy, drama, dramedy specialist like I love uh. I think Neil Brennan did a phenomenal job with three mics.
Yeah he did with that. I love Kevin Hart's last one, The Reality Check.
Yeah, it was good.
I thought that was really good. And I like Andrew Schultz new one in Life.
Yeah Andrew, because he's talking about him and his wife's difficulty of having a child, but it was his fault. Yeah, he had the Week's for him and I liked. I like seeing people process their traumas through comedy.
Yeah.
My next one's classy Rebel. I want to I want to talk about. I'm talking about the the world. Man. I'm just tired of the viewpoints of politics on us. I thinking like a little political in this next one.
I remember, I remember you said you hate the fake. WoT fake?
I hate the fake. I hate fake revolutions like, if we gonna do it, let's do it. I don't like I don't. I don't do fake because I was ready. I was the only one ready to really ride. That's why I was ready to go, y'all. I created my own currency. I was we was going, and nobody came. I was the only one. You had a whole Yeah, we had a whole thing. No, it wasn't crypto. It actually could still work if you do it right.
But what was it?
It was called love notes? He remember that love notes.
Like usher Bucks?
No, no, no, no, it's not.
Where do you spend them?
Well, the infrastructure for it was it wasn't gonna actually stimulate the American economy and our own economy at the same time. So it was it was actually, I don't want to actually give this a weakness. Mandy might try to do it, but I give enough away. I would say that because I'm not gonna give you the infrastructure, but the way it would work, we actually could pay things forward for people and from their businesses. It was creating the ecosystem for African Americans without hurting because when you when you just take your own and say we're gonna be all stappary, forget that, they always shut that down. So it was like, how do you barter with all Americans? How do you barter with uh white Americans? And how you bortered with because you still got to do business. So in this case, it was like, let's not be just fully Marcus guard be in a situation. Let's stimulate our economy, you know, in our ecosystem, but let's also take it and out their ecosystem. So it was more of a coupon system that that paid things forward for people that created economists called love notes, So it was selfless sacrifice of love notes. You can you can pay things forward. And we had a little card and everything I got, I got the whole financial system to help the backman everything and then and then.
I would pay to listen to a full conversation between you and Terrence Hout. I know you told Terrence I got the math for that.
You know what I'm saying, well, he actually does. I got the math that it actually works too. If you, if you really it's it's we're actually free. If you really, if you really know the knowledge of it were we're actually free. Guys, We're not.
Really.
I don't think we're in captivity. I agree, Brandon T. Jackson. Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you for joining us. Thank you, sir. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.
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