The atmosphere was grim at this week’s IMF and World Bank spring meetings, as global central bankers grappled with economic shocks from the war in Iran, AI and mounting debt.

On today’s Big Take podcast, host David Gura sits down with Stephanie Flanders — Bloomberg’s head of Economics and Politics and host of Trumponomics — and senior economic writer Shawn Donnan to discuss the IMF’s revised global growth forecast and whether governments are equipped to contain the next economic crisis.

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Hosted by David Gura; Produced by David Fox; Reported by Stephanie Flanders and Shawn Donnan; Edited by Jeffrey Grocott.

Fact-checking by Eleanor Harrison-Dengate; Engineering by Katie McMurran

Senior Producer: Naomi Shavin; Deputy Executive Producer: Julia Weaver. Executive Producer: Nicole Beemsterboer.