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And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you, Paul Wallace back with us. An author whose books probe of the world's narratives for their insight into human origins and human potential. Paul served for thirty three years as a church doctor, a theological educator and an archdeacon in the England and church in Australia. Paul, welcome back. Have you been good?

And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you, Paul Wallace back with us. An author whose books probe of the world's narratives for their insight into human origins and human potential. Paul served for thirty three years as a church doctor, a theological educator and an archdeacon in the England and church in Australia. Paul, welcome back. Have you been good?

Ay, George, It's great to be with you once again. How are you going?

Ay, George, It's great to be with you once again. How are you going?

You too?

You too?

And how's the Invasion of Eden doing?

And how's the Invasion of Eden doing?

The Invasion of Eden has been phenomenal, And since writing that, I have a new book out. It's day three of its release. And that's the Eden enigma. And the question that asks is do ancient carvings in the mountains of Turkey carry memories of et contact from the dawn of civilization? And so we've got ancient and modern covered by both those books.

The Invasion of Eden has been phenomenal, And since writing that, I have a new book out. It's day three of its release. And that's the Eden enigma. And the question that asks is do ancient carvings in the mountains of Turkey carry memories of et contact from the dawn of civilization? And so we've got ancient and modern covered by both those books.

How do you find these great spots to write his books about.

How do you find these great spots to write his books about.

It's almost as if the book rights itself once I set out knowing that another book is forming all these interesting synchronousities, coincidences, I meet people, people contact me, and then just in my travel schedule, I realize I'm in another place where the folklore tells a story of ancient contact. And it is almost as if the series writes itself, as I travel the.

It's almost as if the book rights itself once I set out knowing that another book is forming all these interesting synchronousities, coincidences, I meet people, people contact me, and then just in my travel schedule, I realize I'm in another place where the folklore tells a story of ancient contact. And it is almost as if the series writes itself, as I travel the.

World, well tell us how you got interested in this subject matter.

World, well tell us how you got interested in this subject matter.

It probably goes back to when I was eleven years old and my mum and dad read Charoits of the Gods by Eric Vondanakin, and they left a copy lying around the house and I read it at eleven years old, and I reckoned. Eric von Danakin had put his finger on some really key questions, and I wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting from church or mainstream scientific explanations to where we all came from. So that got my curiosity going. And then my mum got me a book called The Atlas of World Mysteries, edited by Francis Hitching, and that looked at people like the Lakowski, the question of how the pyramids were built, cryptids, and all these unresolved questions from around the world. And so I realized my parents were really good at stoking my curiosity. And these questions sort of sat with me through all the decades until I had the time about a decade ago to sit down and do my own research into Bible translation. Actually, and all these old topics that had my curiosity through the years crept up to the surface as I got into the root meanings of keywords in those old texts.

It probably goes back to when I was eleven years old and my mum and dad read Charoits of the Gods by Eric Vondanakin, and they left a copy lying around the house and I read it at eleven years old, and I reckoned. Eric von Danakin had put his finger on some really key questions, and I wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting from church or mainstream scientific explanations to where we all came from. So that got my curiosity going. And then my mum got me a book called The Atlas of World Mysteries, edited by Francis Hitching, and that looked at people like the Lakowski, the question of how the pyramids were built, cryptids, and all these unresolved questions from around the world. And so I realized my parents were really good at stoking my curiosity. And these questions sort of sat with me through all the decades until I had the time about a decade ago to sit down and do my own research into Bible translation. Actually, and all these old topics that had my curiosity through the years crept up to the surface as I got into the root meanings of keywords in those old texts.

What made you decide to hone in on Turkey?

What made you decide to hone in on Turkey?

Turkey was one of those lovely coincidences. I was there with Matt Lacroix doing the scouting for a movie that Matt is putting together. In fact, we're filming this year. We're going to Peruin, Bolivia next month, and then back to Turkey in October to film, and we were there. Matt is really interested in the timeline for humanity, and so we're looking at artifacts and ancient sites that speak to that question. But while I was in Turkey, I was really intrigued by the ancient kunair form inscriptions left behind by this Bronze Age civilization, the Urtian people, and the carvings and symbols that left behind at their sacred sites. That really drew me in, and I wanted to understand what were the stories the Uratian people told three thousand years ago, what was their understanding of where we came from, how we've survived, how we've thrived. And it was getting into decoding those symbols that led to my new book, that Eden Enigma, and I've called it Enigma because it really is all about breaking these ancient codes and working out what was our ancestors knew that we don't know.

Turkey was one of those lovely coincidences. I was there with Matt Lacroix doing the scouting for a movie that Matt is putting together. In fact, we're filming this year. We're going to Peruin, Bolivia next month, and then back to Turkey in October to film, and we were there. Matt is really interested in the timeline for humanity, and so we're looking at artifacts and ancient sites that speak to that question. But while I was in Turkey, I was really intrigued by the ancient kunair form inscriptions left behind by this Bronze Age civilization, the Urtian people, and the carvings and symbols that left behind at their sacred sites. That really drew me in, and I wanted to understand what were the stories the Uratian people told three thousand years ago, what was their understanding of where we came from, how we've survived, how we've thrived. And it was getting into decoding those symbols that led to my new book, that Eden Enigma, and I've called it Enigma because it really is all about breaking these ancient codes and working out what was our ancestors knew that we don't know.

How much did they know bare.

How much did they know bare.

I think they were a lot cleverer than we give them credit for. I think we keep discovering things from the deep past that tell us that human beings have always been smart, They've always been clever. And the stories that the Urateans tell, I think it's quite a sophisticated understanding of the ecosystem, planetary history are place in the cosmos, and they tell stories that we in the modern age have largely forgotten and are having to rediscover.

I think they were a lot cleverer than we give them credit for. I think we keep discovering things from the deep past that tell us that human beings have always been smart, They've always been clever. And the stories that the Urateans tell, I think it's quite a sophisticated understanding of the ecosystem, planetary history are place in the cosmos, and they tell stories that we in the modern age have largely forgotten and are having to rediscover.

Now. Does gobecley Tepe is that included in this.

Now. Does gobecley Tepe is that included in this.

Well, we didn't actually go to gobecley Tepe on that particular tour, but in the Eden Enigma I do go further afield to a site that is the same age as gobecley Tepe and in fact goes back another four thousand years and that's over the border into modern Armenia, and it's a site called Carajunj And it turns out that this is an ancient space observatory, that it was rebuilt around the same time that gebecule Tepe was being buried, and archaeologists today believed that, in fact, it was originally built as an observatory about twelve thousand years ago. So that takes us well into the last Ice Age and possibly to a culture that predates the last Ice Age, and they were very interested in observing the region of space we identify as the Signus constellation. So we're getting back into an understanding of the cosmos that is twelve thousand years old and asking why were they so interested in that region of space.

Well, we didn't actually go to gobecley Tepe on that particular tour, but in the Eden Enigma I do go further afield to a site that is the same age as gobecley Tepe and in fact goes back another four thousand years and that's over the border into modern Armenia, and it's a site called Carajunj And it turns out that this is an ancient space observatory, that it was rebuilt around the same time that gebecule Tepe was being buried, and archaeologists today believed that, in fact, it was originally built as an observatory about twelve thousand years ago. So that takes us well into the last Ice Age and possibly to a culture that predates the last Ice Age, and they were very interested in observing the region of space we identify as the Signus constellation. So we're getting back into an understanding of the cosmos that is twelve thousand years old and asking why were they so interested in that region of space.

So you're convinced, Paul, we had visitors a long, long time ago.

So you're convinced, Paul, we had visitors a long, long time ago.

I've come to that conclusion because not only have I found it through my work in Bible trans getting to the root meanings of the keywords of the Hebrew texts, but the stories of contact that I find there echo in cultures all around the world. You can go to Nigeria, you can listen to the Norse stories, the Vedic stories, Filipinos stories. You can listen to the Mayan stories from out of Guatemala and they all share very similar stories. Listen to the indigenous stories from out of Aboriginal Australia Native America. They all have these stories in which their ancestors had a moment where their survival was hanging in the balance, and they talk about mysterious others coming and helping them to survive and re establish agriculture. And that is the story the Rachin people tell as well, and there are specific details in it that hint that these advanced visitors really were extraterrestrials.

I've come to that conclusion because not only have I found it through my work in Bible trans getting to the root meanings of the keywords of the Hebrew texts, but the stories of contact that I find there echo in cultures all around the world. You can go to Nigeria, you can listen to the Norse stories, the Vedic stories, Filipinos stories. You can listen to the Mayan stories from out of Guatemala and they all share very similar stories. Listen to the indigenous stories from out of Aboriginal Australia Native America. They all have these stories in which their ancestors had a moment where their survival was hanging in the balance, and they talk about mysterious others coming and helping them to survive and re establish agriculture. And that is the story the Rachin people tell as well, and there are specific details in it that hint that these advanced visitors really were extraterrestrials.

Well with Paul Wallace's laterst spoke is called the eden Enigma. Paul tell us about these codes, how did you decode them?

Well with Paul Wallace's laterst spoke is called the eden Enigma. Paul tell us about these codes, how did you decode them?

Well, A big part is to notice that some of these symbols echo in other cultures around the world. So we've got, for instance, in Armenia, a blue sky full of shields, and now they're in the sky, so clearly they are flying shields. I just happen to know, through having studied Latin at school, that the Roman historian Livy spoke about flying shields attending various Roman military engagements. And then around seven to seventy five of the Common Era. In the Frankish Annals we hear about a battle of Charlemagne in which flying shields turn up there. So you begin to see the connections and it helps you understand what you're looking at. I mean, is it a circle? Is it a flower? Is it a star? But the stories alongside each other and it becomes clear you're looking at flying shields. Decorate with a floral motif. Now most archaeologists will say their shields, but they don't put the two and two together and ask why are they in the sky? Why are they flying? And then another motif is flying discs, where the disc has a person inside it, and in the for instance, in the ancient Assyrian portrayal of flying discs, you have a disc with a person and then the disc has wings to show that it's flying. And this runs in parallel with discs. You can find in Iceland and Scandinavia flying discs with people inside them shown up in the sky. So it's once you take these stories out of their bubble, see them as part of an international canon of art, you begin to see the connections and realize this is about flight technology, this is about interdimensional contact people with wings again, suggest people with flight technology. And so that's really what I did. I went to the symbols, and I looked at the global lexicon of symbols and asked what stories have these been used to tell in other places? And began to connect the darts.

Well, A big part is to notice that some of these symbols echo in other cultures around the world. So we've got, for instance, in Armenia, a blue sky full of shields, and now they're in the sky, so clearly they are flying shields. I just happen to know, through having studied Latin at school, that the Roman historian Livy spoke about flying shields attending various Roman military engagements. And then around seven to seventy five of the Common Era. In the Frankish Annals we hear about a battle of Charlemagne in which flying shields turn up there. So you begin to see the connections and it helps you understand what you're looking at. I mean, is it a circle? Is it a flower? Is it a star? But the stories alongside each other and it becomes clear you're looking at flying shields. Decorate with a floral motif. Now most archaeologists will say their shields, but they don't put the two and two together and ask why are they in the sky? Why are they flying? And then another motif is flying discs, where the disc has a person inside it, and in the for instance, in the ancient Assyrian portrayal of flying discs, you have a disc with a person and then the disc has wings to show that it's flying. And this runs in parallel with discs. You can find in Iceland and Scandinavia flying discs with people inside them shown up in the sky. So it's once you take these stories out of their bubble, see them as part of an international canon of art, you begin to see the connections and realize this is about flight technology, this is about interdimensional contact people with wings again, suggest people with flight technology. And so that's really what I did. I went to the symbols, and I looked at the global lexicon of symbols and asked what stories have these been used to tell in other places? And began to connect the darts.

I can understand the objects with entities within them, but what would the flying shields represent?

I can understand the objects with entities within them, but what would the flying shields represent?

Well, if you look at an Ortian shield, it's circular, and you put a profile on, and you're looking at a disc with a raised section and then another raised section in the middle. In other words, you're looking at the contours of a flying saucer.

Well, if you look at an Ortian shield, it's circular, and you put a profile on, and you're looking at a disc with a raised section and then another raised section in the middle. In other words, you're looking at the contours of a flying saucer.

Ah.

Ah.

And so the Oratians are simply making a reference to something known to describe something unknown. We say a flying saucer, they said flying shields. But it's the same thing.

And so the Oratians are simply making a reference to something known to describe something unknown. We say a flying saucer, they said flying shields. But it's the same thing.

Interesting. Take Now, what do the Vikings have to do with some of these discoveries.

Interesting. Take Now, what do the Vikings have to do with some of these discoveries.

Well, I was introduced to the connection by my friend David Lovegrove, who has a channel called Viking Superpowers, and he has been deep into the work of Snottish Sturluson Now he was the post Viking chieftain who, writing in the twelve hundreds, gave us all the stories of the Norse gods that we know about Thor and Odin. And he was a historian, and he pointed to real world evidence that indicated a significant migration from ancient Armenia, which includes modern day Armenia and Turkey, a migration of Odin and families with him coming from there into Northwest Europe, into Scandinavia, into Iceland, and bringing their technology with them. He identified them the Iceer, as he called them, as advanced people with technology that was head and shoulders above what they were finding in Northwest Europe and Scandinavia, so they were able to take those lands with ease. Snolish. Sturluson said, you can see the evidence of the migration in our language. The language we speak in Scandinavia today is clearly descended from the language of asaland what we would call ancient Armenia. And so he believed some of these stories, not all of them, but certainly the Odin stories were real history about a real migration, and that there was in ancient Armenia a group of people who had made great leaps forward in agriculture and other technology and militarily. And he saw the evidence for that migration in the real world.

Well, I was introduced to the connection by my friend David Lovegrove, who has a channel called Viking Superpowers, and he has been deep into the work of Snottish Sturluson Now he was the post Viking chieftain who, writing in the twelve hundreds, gave us all the stories of the Norse gods that we know about Thor and Odin. And he was a historian, and he pointed to real world evidence that indicated a significant migration from ancient Armenia, which includes modern day Armenia and Turkey, a migration of Odin and families with him coming from there into Northwest Europe, into Scandinavia, into Iceland, and bringing their technology with them. He identified them the Iceer, as he called them, as advanced people with technology that was head and shoulders above what they were finding in Northwest Europe and Scandinavia, so they were able to take those lands with ease. Snolish. Sturluson said, you can see the evidence of the migration in our language. The language we speak in Scandinavia today is clearly descended from the language of asaland what we would call ancient Armenia. And so he believed some of these stories, not all of them, but certainly the Odin stories were real history about a real migration, and that there was in ancient Armenia a group of people who had made great leaps forward in agriculture and other technology and militarily. And he saw the evidence for that migration in the real world.

Would you say ancient Turkey might have been the cradle of civilization.

Would you say ancient Turkey might have been the cradle of civilization.

Well, there are so many ancient narrative traditions that say exactly that. So in the Bible, for instance, Genesis points to Ararat in ancient Armenia and says that's where Noah's arc landed, and out of that arc, five family bloodlines of re populated the world or the world of that region. Noah planted the first vineyard, they got agriculture going again, they got farming going again. So the Bible points there, but also the Babylonian story of Zusudra points there. They say that his arc landed on Ararat. If we go into the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible, the writer Ezekiel says that the garden of the powerful Ones, which was really the seed bed of civilization, was in the high country of the powerful Ones that ur or Uratu or in the Hebrew spelling Ararat. So they're pointing there.

Well, there are so many ancient narrative traditions that say exactly that. So in the Bible, for instance, Genesis points to Ararat in ancient Armenia and says that's where Noah's arc landed, and out of that arc, five family bloodlines of re populated the world or the world of that region. Noah planted the first vineyard, they got agriculture going again, they got farming going again. So the Bible points there, but also the Babylonian story of Zusudra points there. They say that his arc landed on Ararat. If we go into the Book of Ezekiel in the Bible, the writer Ezekiel says that the garden of the powerful Ones, which was really the seed bed of civilization, was in the high country of the powerful Ones that ur or Uratu or in the Hebrew spelling Ararat. So they're pointing there.

We have the.

We have the.

Armenian historian Moses Karazzi, writing in the four hundreds, who says, yes, humanity was rebooted here, and he points to their great progenitor, Flake, who was the descendant of Jaffith, who was the son of Noah, so that story repeats there. So there are many vectors pointing here. Ancient Greek and Roman historians pointed to ancient Armenia and they said, this is where humanity made a great leap forward into the Iron Age, and so technology received a massive reboot there. So when I went to Turkey, I was fully expecting to find references to this great reboot. But what surprised me was how much detail was in the Bronze Age story left behind by the Urtians.

Armenian historian Moses Karazzi, writing in the four hundreds, who says, yes, humanity was rebooted here, and he points to their great progenitor, Flake, who was the descendant of Jaffith, who was the son of Noah, so that story repeats there. So there are many vectors pointing here. Ancient Greek and Roman historians pointed to ancient Armenia and they said, this is where humanity made a great leap forward into the Iron Age, and so technology received a massive reboot there. So when I went to Turkey, I was fully expecting to find references to this great reboot. But what surprised me was how much detail was in the Bronze Age story left behind by the Urtians.

Paul, though, what would you say in Turkey in terms of discoveries, was one of the most dramatic or impressive things that you're uncovered.

Paul, though, what would you say in Turkey in terms of discoveries, was one of the most dramatic or impressive things that you're uncovered.

I think one of the symbols really became a key for me, and it was the symbol of these winged advance beings whom the Urtians called tingiered, and instead of telling amazing stories about how they could fly or travel through space, the symbol that's left behind shows doing something that initially looks really mundane, but it turns out to be the key to civilization. And what they're doing is hand pollinating plants, and that implies that there's been a catastrophic shift in the ecosphere. That means the Urtians can't get plants to grow or fruit or to create harvests, and so they're going to have to hand pollinate, cross pollinate, bring plants from other regions, and create strains that can thrive in the new situation. And that's the detailed story that's told there that really took me by surprise. The other thing that surprised me was there is evidence that the Uratians were using e fields, running water over dense magnetic rock to create electronic and electrical magnetic fields to affect our state of consciousness, and then creating light phenomena to affect our state of consciousnes business, and then having a chalice with a potion in it, which archaeologists refer to as a libation offering, again to affect our state of consciousness. Because the Iranians they did all these things hoping that they would achieve contact experiences with the Tingier, who would help their ancestors in the deep past. And that was a revelation to me.

I think one of the symbols really became a key for me, and it was the symbol of these winged advance beings whom the Urtians called tingiered, and instead of telling amazing stories about how they could fly or travel through space, the symbol that's left behind shows doing something that initially looks really mundane, but it turns out to be the key to civilization. And what they're doing is hand pollinating plants, and that implies that there's been a catastrophic shift in the ecosphere. That means the Urtians can't get plants to grow or fruit or to create harvests, and so they're going to have to hand pollinate, cross pollinate, bring plants from other regions, and create strains that can thrive in the new situation. And that's the detailed story that's told there that really took me by surprise. The other thing that surprised me was there is evidence that the Uratians were using e fields, running water over dense magnetic rock to create electronic and electrical magnetic fields to affect our state of consciousness, and then creating light phenomena to affect our state of consciousnes business, and then having a chalice with a potion in it, which archaeologists refer to as a libation offering, again to affect our state of consciousness. Because the Iranians they did all these things hoping that they would achieve contact experiences with the Tingier, who would help their ancestors in the deep past. And that was a revelation to me.

What do you think was one of the most impressive aspects of this to make you believe about the extraterrestrial life here.

What do you think was one of the most impressive aspects of this to make you believe about the extraterrestrial life here.

I think it was seeing these stories in context, being able to compare them with what we find in what is now Iran ancient Assyria and realize they're telling the same story of advanced beings with flight technology, teaching hand pollination. It's such an unlikely story that when you see it repeating from culture to culture, that really grabs my attention. And there are other artifacts that tell you that stories of cataclysm and recovery are relating to something real. In Cappadocia, in Turkey, you've got a great network of underground cities which really seem to confirm the ancient Persian story of jamshid Yama, which again is cataclysm and recovery. So it just blew me away how many times this story repeated in all kinds of different ways, with all kinds of evidences.

I think it was seeing these stories in context, being able to compare them with what we find in what is now Iran ancient Assyria and realize they're telling the same story of advanced beings with flight technology, teaching hand pollination. It's such an unlikely story that when you see it repeating from culture to culture, that really grabs my attention. And there are other artifacts that tell you that stories of cataclysm and recovery are relating to something real. In Cappadocia, in Turkey, you've got a great network of underground cities which really seem to confirm the ancient Persian story of jamshid Yama, which again is cataclysm and recovery. So it just blew me away how many times this story repeated in all kinds of different ways, with all kinds of evidences.

Do they say where they came from?

Do they say where they came from?

I think the hint is from the region of space we would identify by the Sickness constellation. Now around the world, I hear so many wonderful stories about helpers coming from the Pleiades. I was sort of thinking and hoping I might find another of those stories in Turkey, But the Otheratians and their predecessors were actually focused on another region of space, and that's the Swan constellation or sickness.

I think the hint is from the region of space we would identify by the Sickness constellation. Now around the world, I hear so many wonderful stories about helpers coming from the Pleiades. I was sort of thinking and hoping I might find another of those stories in Turkey, But the Otheratians and their predecessors were actually focused on another region of space, and that's the Swan constellation or sickness.

Now you talk about pine cones and buckets and handbags, what are these?

Now you talk about pine cones and buckets and handbags, what are these?

Well, this is something that's fascinated people for a long time because we see these motifs all around the world, these interesting beings. Often they have wings. Often they have very prominent calf muscles. Sometimes they have bird heads. But so many of them are carrying a pine cone, or sometimes it's a leaf or a feather. And then this handbag or this bucket. And when we look at what the Assyrians and the Ourtians carved, theirs are very definitely buckets, and theirs are very definitely pine cones. And we know what the Assyrians call them. The bucket is a bandoodoo or a dalu, and we've actually recovered some of these ancient buckets, and the pine cone is a malilu. And in later ages they use these for purification rituals. But the carvings and the paintings left behind tell us this was equipment used in pollinating and cross pollinating plants. And I think in a later stage the pine cone and the bucket became a symbol for all the help that these advanced others gave. It may even be a code for cognitive improvements and technological advancements. But in the beginning, if we look at Yerevan and the paintings left behind there in Armenia, if we look at the carvings from the palace of Ashur Nasipala second in ancient Assyria, there the images are very clear. These are tools used in agriculture for cross pollination.

Well, this is something that's fascinated people for a long time because we see these motifs all around the world, these interesting beings. Often they have wings. Often they have very prominent calf muscles. Sometimes they have bird heads. But so many of them are carrying a pine cone, or sometimes it's a leaf or a feather. And then this handbag or this bucket. And when we look at what the Assyrians and the Ourtians carved, theirs are very definitely buckets, and theirs are very definitely pine cones. And we know what the Assyrians call them. The bucket is a bandoodoo or a dalu, and we've actually recovered some of these ancient buckets, and the pine cone is a malilu. And in later ages they use these for purification rituals. But the carvings and the paintings left behind tell us this was equipment used in pollinating and cross pollinating plants. And I think in a later stage the pine cone and the bucket became a symbol for all the help that these advanced others gave. It may even be a code for cognitive improvements and technological advancements. But in the beginning, if we look at Yerevan and the paintings left behind there in Armenia, if we look at the carvings from the palace of Ashur Nasipala second in ancient Assyria, there the images are very clear. These are tools used in agriculture for cross pollination.

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