Sometimes you need perspective from someone who’s seen it all, so Ashley is recapping this week’s episode of Clayton’s season with season 4 Bachelorette DeAnna Pappas!

We have to address the rumors that Chrishell from Selling Sunset was almost the lead instead of DeAnna! She gives us the REAL story of what went down behind the scenes. 

And DeAnna shares her expert analysis on why Clayton isn’t a strong lead for the show and why there is SO much drama among the contestants this season.