This week, Liza and Kara recap “Liberties” (Season 10, Episode 21), discuss the tragic life of Steven Stayner, and interview the wonderful Jon Patrick Walker.

SOURCES:
Los Angeles Times
CBS News
Hi-Desert Star
Billings Gazette
K2 Radio
People
Wikipedia - Steven Stayner
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The Spokesman-Review
Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story
Wikipedia - Kenneth Parnell
Wikipedia - Cary Stayner

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story

Next week’s episode will be “Anchor" (Season 11, Episode 10). 

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This week, Liza and Kara recap &ldquo;Liberties&rdquo; (Season 10, Episode 21), discuss the tragic life of Steven Stayner, and interview the wonderful Jon Patrick Walker.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-jan-11-la-na-rape-craigslist11-2010jan11-story.html">Los Angeles Times</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/man-gets-60-years-in-craiglist-rape-case/">CBS News</a> <a href="https://adowl.hidesertstar.com/article_62965401-5a17-5337-b1fb-12740d7da16d.html">Hi-Desert Star</a> <a href="https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/craigslist-rape-survivor-rebuilds-her-life/article_f0804590-d4da-11df-9f79-001cc4c002e0.html">Billings Gazette</a> <a href="https://k2radio.com/sarah-kostovny-pushing-forward-from-the-shadows/">K2 Radio</a> <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20160303225015/http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20121314,00.html">People</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Stayner">Wikipedia - Steven Stayner</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/07/us/2-convicted-in-72-kidnapping-of-7-year-old-california-boy.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1985/04/06/us/man-who-held-a-boy-for-7-years-is-paroled.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&amp;dat=19890918&amp;id=bVxWAAAAIBAJ&amp;pg=4406,5260010">The Spokesman-Review</a> <a href="https://www.hulu.com/series/d840873f-211e-47a8-864b-8aa7c54d193c">Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Parnell">Wikipedia - Kenneth Parnell</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cary_Stayner">Wikipedia - Cary Stayner</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.hulu.com/series/d840873f-211e-47a8-864b-8aa7c54d193c">Captive Audience: A Real American Horror Story</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Anchor" (Season 11, Episode 10).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Liberties w/ Jon Patrick Walker

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/37f427cc-1a42-4ff8-b54e-b31300fccb5b/transcript

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Personal Fouls” (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The New York Times 3
ESPN
Sportico
Rolling Stone
New York Daily News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
The Predator in the Church Basement

Next week’s episode will be “Complicated” (Season 19, Episode 5).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Personal Fouls&rdquo; (Season 13, Episode 2), investigate the crimes of real-life basketball coach and pedophile Ernest Lorch, and interview the legendary Dan Lauria (The Wonder Years).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/21/nyregion/riverside-church-sexual-abuse-settlement.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/nyregion/church-basketball-director-leaves-after-abuse-charge.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/17/sports/coaches-sexual-abuse.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share">The New York Times 3</a> <a href="https://www.espn.com/college-sports/highschool/news/story?id=6290287">ESPN</a> <a href="https://www.sportico.com/law/news/2026/riverside-church-abuse-cases-slow-litigation-ernest-lorch-1234941603/">Sportico</a> <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">Rolling Stone</a> <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2010/10/13/ernest-lorch-founder-of-riverside-church-basketball-program-indicted-for-sex-abuse-by-grand-jury/">New York Daily News</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/riverside-church-basketball-ernie-lorch-abuse-lawsuit-1235446199/">The Predator in the Church Basement</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Complicated&rdquo; (Season 19, Episode 5).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Personal Fouls w/ Dan Lauria

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/6213cbd3-5c27-478e-8fe5-b4e100e95287/transcript

This week, Kara and Liza recap “Spectacle” (Season 12, Episode 16) and discuss the unbelievable kidnapping of Delimar Vera.

SOURCES:
KHQ
Northwest Public Broadcasting
The Spokesman-Review
Idaho Press
HubPages
The New York Times
The Chicago Tribune
CNN
NBC News
The Guardian
Fox News
The Philadelphia Inquirer

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Cold Case Foundation

Next week’s episode will be “Personal Fouls" (Season 13, Episode 2). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza recap &ldquo;Spectacle&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 16) and discuss the unbelievable kidnapping of Delimar Vera.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.khq.com/coldcase/moscow-police-continue-to-investigate-suspected-homicide-of-university-of-idaho-student-dating-back-to/article_9c9b9dd6-b9fe-43f7-8ae3-b899bdc590b7.html">KHQ</a> <a href="https://www.nwpb.org/murrow-news/2022-05-04/remembering-wil-hendrick-a-cold-murder-case-kept-alive">Northwest Public Broadcasting</a> <a href="https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1999/jul/04/clues-examined-in-search-for-missing-idaho-student/">The Spokesman-Review</a> <a href="https://www.idahopress.com/cavalcade/2022/a-look-at-idaho-cold-cases/article_29ded298-bf00-5155-b585-5965b1122b0b.html">Idaho Press</a> <a href="https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Murder-in-Moscow-the-Mysterious-1999-Murder-of-University-of-Idaho-student-Wil-Hendrik">HubPages</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/31/technology/a-beautiful-life-an-early-death-a-fraud-exposed.html">The New York Times</a> <a href="https://www.chicagotribune.com/2004/07/02/student-admits-fake-kidnapping/">The Chicago Tribune</a> <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/03/01/girl.found.alive/">CNN</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna4452305">NBC News</a> <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/12/gender.uk">The Guardian</a> <a href="https://www.foxnews.com/story/woman-took-baby-from-burning-house-gets-30-years">Fox News</a> <a href="https://www.inquirer.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080725__Little_Girl_Lost___Lifetime_movie_based_on_kidnapping_of_Feltonville_baby.html">The Philadelphia Inquirer</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.coldcasefoundation.org/">Cold Case Foundation</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Personal Fouls" (Season 13, Episode 2).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Spectacle

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/5593cbea-739d-4fc5-ae77-b4da01593429/transcript

Today, Kara and Liza cover the episode “I Thought You Were on My Side” (Season 23, Episode 3), discuss the multiple Ron Jeremy sexual assault cases, and interview the wonderful Danielle Moné Truitt (Law & Order: Organized Crime).

SOURCES:
QNS
NBC New York
New York Daily News
New York Post
Department of Justice
PBS
NPR
NBC Los Angeles
Fox 10 Phoenix
Tampa Bay Times
The New York Times

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

Next week’s episode will be “Spectacle” (Season 12, Episode 16). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Kara and Liza cover the episode &ldquo;I Thought You Were on My Side&rdquo; (Season 23, Episode 3), discuss the multiple Ron Jeremy sexual assault cases, and interview the wonderful Danielle Mon&eacute; Truitt (Law &amp; Order: Organized Crime).
SOURCES: <a href="https://qns.com/2018/06/mob-connected-howard-beach-bagel-store-owner-convicted-groping-employee-publisher-guilty-coverup/">QNS</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/mobster-associate-queens-publisher-arrested-intimidation-charges/248191/">NBC New York</a> <a href="https://www.nydailynews.com/2018/06/25/queens-deli-worker-testifies-against-her-reputed-wiseguy-boss-in-forcible-touching-trial/">New York Daily News</a> <a href="https://nypost.com/2018/06/26/newspaper-publisher-admits-she-did-nothing-about-mob-threats/">New York Post</a> <a href="https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/acting-captain-bonanno-crime-family-sentenced-14-years-imprisonment-racketeering">Department of Justice</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/arts/porn-actor-ron-jeremy-indicted-on-over-30-sex-assault-counts">PBS</a> <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/01/19/1149861816/ron-jeremy-rape-trial-neurocognitive-decline">NPR</a> <a href="https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/timeline-sex-assault-allegations-against-adult-film-star-ron-jeremy/2919015/">NBC Los Angeles</a> <a href="https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/adult-film-star-ron-jeremy-released-to-private-residence-in-rape-case-due-to-declining-health">Fox 10 Phoenix</a> <a href="https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1999/04/13/arkansas-executes-man-convicted-of-5-slayings/">Tampa Bay Times</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1982/09/11/us/officials-defend-us-witness-protection-program.html?searchResultPosition=2">The New York Times</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.rcfp.org/">Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Spectacle&rdquo; (Season 12, Episode 16).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

I Thought You Were on My Side w/ Danielle Moné Truitt

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/4fdd2d36-90e5-4b0e-bad0-b4d300ed3665/transcript

Liberties w/ Jon Patrick Walker

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