In this episode, Kara and Liza recap “Lead” (Season 10, Episode 15) and cover several real-life crimes including multiple cases of recalled dangerous toys and the alleged sex abuse perpetrated by famed pediatrician Mel Levine. Plus, they have a wonderful convo with the very talented John Gallagher Jr. (Spring Awakening).

This episode was recorded before the SAG-AFTRA strike.

SOURCES:

The New York Times 1

The New York Times 2

The New York Times 3

The New York Times 4

NBC News

ABC News

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:

Lead Poisoning Health Effects in Children

Next week’s episode will be “Totem” (Season 12, Episode 20).

In this episode, Kara and Liza recap “Lead” (Season 10, Episode 15) and cover several real-life crimes including multiple cases of recalled dangerous toys and the alleged sex abuse perpetrated by famed pediatrician Mel Levine. Plus, they have a wonderful convo with the very talented John Gallagher Jr. (Spring Awakening).This episode was recorded before the SAG-AFTRA strike.SOURCES:<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/26/us/26levine.html">The New York Times 1</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/business/worldbusiness/15imports.html">The New York Times 2</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/business/yourmoney/15magnet.html?action=click&amp;module=RelatedCoverage&amp;pgtype=Article&amp;region=Footer">The New York Times 3</a><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/business/15lead.html?action=click&amp;module=RelatedCoverage&amp;pgtype=Article&amp;region=Footer">The New York Times 4</a><a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna4386006">NBC News</a><a href="https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Health/story?id=591736&amp;page=1">ABC News</a>WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:<a href="https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/lead-poisoning-and-health#:~:text=Lead%20exposure%20can%20have%20serious,intellectual%20disability%20and%20behavioural%20disorders.">Lead Poisoning Health Effects in Children</a>Next week’s episode will be “Totem” (Season 12, Episode 20).

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast

Each week, comedians and amateur detectives Liza Treyger and Kara Klenk break down episodes of NBC’s Law & Order: SVU, take a deep dive into the true crimes they're based on and interview on-screen talent, ranging from big stars to joggers who find the body. These are their stories. Dun dun!

Tune in as they discuss all things not only Law & Order: SVU, but unfiltered hot takes on entertainment, TV, pop culture and more! Members of the elite squad like Kelli Giddish, BD Wong and Diane Neal have previously guested along with many more! Plus, the two friends frequently take to the stage with live shows featuring a PowerPoint, games and lots of laughs. Go to http://thatsmesseduplive.com or check their Instagram @thatsmesseduppod to check tour dates and get episode homework!

That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark, I Said No Gifts!, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.

Lead w/ John Gallagher Jr.

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/be16323b-d2ff-4309-8c02-b277006f192c/transcript

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode “Part 33” (Season 20, Episode 14), investigate the Mary Winkler case involving the 2006 shooting of her husband, and interview the fascinating Amy Rutberg.

SOURCES:
ABC News 1
ABC News 2
Wikipedia - Mary Winkler
NBC News
CBS News
The New York Times

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Emotional and Psychological Abuse - WomensLaw.org

Next week’s episode will be “At Midnight in Manhattan” (Season 21, Episode 5).

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara discuss the SVU episode &ldquo;Part 33&rdquo; (Season 20, Episode 14), investigate the Mary Winkler case involving the 2006 shooting of her husband, and interview the fascinating Amy Rutberg.
SOURCES: <a href="https://abcnews.com/US/made-preachers-wife-kill-husband/story?id=109358837">ABC News 1</a> <a href="https://abcnews.com/video/109354097/">ABC News 2</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Winkler">Wikipedia - Mary Winkler</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna11975002">NBC News</a> <a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ministers-wife-jailed-near-home/">CBS News</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/20/us/20minister.html">The New York Times</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.womenslaw.org/about-abuse/forms-abuse/emotional-and-psychological-abuse-0">Emotional and Psychological Abuse - WomensLaw.org</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;At Midnight in Manhattan&rdquo; (Season 21, Episode 5).
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Part 33 w/ Amy Rutberg

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/b423cbe7-1cb2-4bec-b65f-b4fd00fec7d8/transcript

This week, Kara and Liza recap “Gimmick” (Season 27, Episode 18), discuss the grotesque sex trafficking and sexual abuse cases involving WWE co-founder Vince McMahon, and interview the delightful Jesse La Flair.

SOURCES:
NBC News 1
NBC News 2
Axios
ABC 7 Chicago
Lawsuit Information Center
LGBTQ Nation
DiCello Levitt
POST Wrestling
Courthouse News Service 1
Courthouse News Service 2
ESPN
CNBC

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
Mr. McMahon - Netflix Docuseries

Next week’s episode will be “Part 33" (Season 20, Episode 14). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

This week, Kara and Liza recap &ldquo;Gimmick&rdquo; (Season 27, Episode 18), discuss the grotesque sex trafficking and sexual abuse cases involving WWE co-founder Vince McMahon, and interview the delightful Jesse La Flair.
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vince-mcmahon-wwe-accused-allowing-rampant-sexual-exploitation-young-b-rcna176988">NBC News 1</a> <a href="https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vince-mcmahon-sex-trafficking-case-co-defendant-john-laurinaitis-agree-rcna209491">NBC News 2</a> <a href="https://www.axios.com/2025/12/11/wwe-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-trump-linda-mcmahon">Axios</a> <a href="https://abc7chicago.com/post/linda-mcmahon-lawsuit-sex-abuse-case-involving-donald-trumps-education-secretary-pick-husband-vince-wwe-is-paused/15627874/">ABC 7 Chicago</a> <a href="https://www.lawsuit-information-center.com/sexual-abuse-settlement.html">Lawsuit Information Center</a> <a href="https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2026/05/linda-mcmahon-loses-bid-to-force-victims-of-alleged-to-publicly-identify-themselves/">LGBTQ Nation</a> <a href="https://dicellolevitt.com/case-study/sexual-abuse-of-wwe-ring-boys/">DiCello Levitt</a> <a href="https://www.postwrestling.com/2025/06/16/wwe-vince-linda-mcmahon-refile-motions-asking-court-to-throw-out-ring-boy-lawsuit/">POST Wrestling</a> <a href="https://www.courthousenews.com/ex-wwe-employee-accuses-vince-mcmahon-of-sordid-sex-abuse-and-trafficking/">Courthouse News Service 1</a> <a href="https://www.courthousenews.com/sex-trafficking-lawsuit-against-wwe-and-vince-mcmahon-heads-to-arbitration/">Courthouse News Service 2</a> <a href="https://www.espn.com/wwe/story/_/id/48382159/janel-grant-details-more-allegations-vince-mcmahon-wwe">ESPN</a> <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/28/wwe-vince-mcmahon-laurinaitis-sex-trafficking.html">CNBC</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://www.netflix.com/title/81048394">Mr. McMahon - Netflix Docuseries</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Part 33" (Season 20, Episode 14).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

Gimmick w/ Jesse La Flair

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/1767736a-b80a-41e9-a29b-b4f6015ba132/transcript

Today, Liza and Kara cover the episode “The Long Arm of the Witness” (Season 22, Episode 6), discuss the controversial Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, and interview the fantastic Josh Stamberg (Drop Dead Diva, WandaVision).

SOURCES:
The New York Times 1
The New York Times 2
The Washington Post
Wikipedia - Brett Kavanaugh
PBS
Time

WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO:
One Way Back by Christine Blasey Ford

Next week’s episode will be “Gimmick” (Season 27, Episode 18). 

Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu

Today, Liza and Kara cover the episode &ldquo;The Long Arm of the Witness&rdquo; (Season 22, Episode 6), discuss the controversial Senate confirmation hearings for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, and interview the fantastic Josh Stamberg (Drop Dead Diva, WandaVision).
SOURCES: <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/13/us/tennessee-judge-convicted-of-sexual-assault-becomes-a-fugitive.html">The New York Times 1</a> <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/books/review/the-education-of-brett-kavanaugh-robin-pogrebin-kate-kelly.html">The New York Times 2</a> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/10/15/judge-in-sex-assaults-found/187435df-ff24-40d1-b9e4-73c9dfb66dae/">The Washington Post</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Kavanaugh">Wikipedia - Brett Kavanaugh</a> <a href="https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/ford-testified-kavanaugh-testified-what-did-we-learn">PBS</a> <a href="https://time.com/5408177/brett-kavanaugh-christine-blasey-ford-testimony/">Time</a>
WHAT WOULD SISTER PEG DO: <a href="https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250289650/onewayback/">One Way Back by Christine Blasey Ford</a>
Next week&rsquo;s episode will be &ldquo;Gimmick&rdquo; (Season 27, Episode 18).&nbsp;
Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: <a href="https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu">https://bit.ly/3yb7hqu</a>

The Long Arm of the Witness w/ Josh Stamberg

https://api.omny.fm/orgs/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/clips/f3c695f9-48f3-4766-88b5-b4ef0127c476/transcript

Lead w/ John Gallagher Jr.

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