Hello, tex Sins. Welcome to the show. Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you. Happy Thursday evening. As since it's Thursday, it's been a while, but we'll catch up with him right now. The General John McClain steps in and we're here on the hun Day Texans Radio studio. John on the line, General, good evening, we've missed you.

Hello, tex Sins. Welcome to the show. Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you. Happy Thursday evening. As since it's Thursday, it's been a while, but we'll catch up with him right now. The General John McClain steps in and we're here on the hun Day Texans Radio studio. John on the line, General, good evening, we've missed you.

How's it going.

How's it going.

It's going great. I've been having a blast going around the state working on our preview Inner Scholastic League documentary Football Before Integration in Texas, and it's been a blast, and I've been following everything on the Texans. Of course, all the great things you guys said from the league meetings. I always like the league meetings because of all the events that we go to, that is the most relaxed.

It's going great. I've been having a blast going around the state working on our preview Inner Scholastic League documentary Football Before Integration in Texas, and it's been a blast, and I've been following everything on the Texans. Of course, all the great things you guys said from the league meetings. I always like the league meetings because of all the events that we go to, that is the most relaxed.

All right, John, we're gonna get into some Texans stuff, but we got to ask you about the documentary that you've been working on. How much of the PVIIL documentary is stuff that you already knew but you're.

All right, John, we're gonna get into some Texans stuff, but we got to ask you about the documentary that you've been working on. How much of the PVIIL documentary is stuff that you already knew but you're.

Just getting people to talk about it.

Just getting people to talk about it.

How much of it is just completely Holy cow, I didn't know that information. When you sit down an interview with these coaches and figures in your documentary.

How much of it is just completely Holy cow, I didn't know that information. When you sit down an interview with these coaches and figures in your documentary.

John, We started that about five or six months ago, and almost everything is the latter that I didn't know. I mean, I knew what the preiview Leers scholastically was. It was the all black division compared to the UIO, and I know they integrated in the mid sixties. When the Supreme Court handed down the ending of desegregation in nineteen fifty four, in Texas and other states in the South were very slow to react. But some of the things we've been doing. Rob Blanche, a good friend of mine, one of the producers, has done a fabulous job getting pictures from high schools, colleges and the things that the date of Texas went through to keep from to having to integrate. Abilene built a nice school for black students to keep them out of the white schools even though they were supposed to. And Mansville up south of Fort Worth, they hung black dummies hung with a noose around their neck to the entrance to the school to try to encourage black students not to come. Brought out the Texas Rangers and we went to Lubbock last week and interviewed a ninety seven year old head coach who led Corpus Christy Miller, featuring running back Johnny Rowland to the first integrated state championship in our state's history nineteen sixty over witchdol Falls at Baylor Stadium, and he said their toughest game was in the semifinals when they played a school in which they built their whole offensive game plan about trying to beat this defensive lineman who was small but so quick and disruptive, and they beat Porter Arthur and Jimmy Johnson six to zero to move into the state championship game.

John, We started that about five or six months ago, and almost everything is the latter that I didn't know. I mean, I knew what the preiview Leers scholastically was. It was the all black division compared to the UIO, and I know they integrated in the mid sixties. When the Supreme Court handed down the ending of desegregation in nineteen fifty four, in Texas and other states in the South were very slow to react. But some of the things we've been doing. Rob Blanche, a good friend of mine, one of the producers, has done a fabulous job getting pictures from high schools, colleges and the things that the date of Texas went through to keep from to having to integrate. Abilene built a nice school for black students to keep them out of the white schools even though they were supposed to. And Mansville up south of Fort Worth, they hung black dummies hung with a noose around their neck to the entrance to the school to try to encourage black students not to come. Brought out the Texas Rangers and we went to Lubbock last week and interviewed a ninety seven year old head coach who led Corpus Christy Miller, featuring running back Johnny Rowland to the first integrated state championship in our state's history nineteen sixty over witchdol Falls at Baylor Stadium, and he said their toughest game was in the semifinals when they played a school in which they built their whole offensive game plan about trying to beat this defensive lineman who was small but so quick and disruptive, and they beat Porter Arthur and Jimmy Johnson six to zero to move into the state championship game.

That's awesome, Jimmy Johns, Janice Joplin's high school classmate.

That's awesome, Jimmy Johns, Janice Joplin's high school classmate.

That is just great trivia, right that.

That is just great trivia, right that.

So we're learning all kinds of things. It all started I wanted to do the Southwest Conference and Rob Lynch said, well, what about the previewwenter scholastically because he had been talking to Joe Green and Kenny Houston and they were telling them stories when they played in the PV I L. And when Rob told me, I said, really that that happened. So it really got my interest in but Rob Lynch's idea and now it's a labor of love and we're hoping to have it out in February would be the sixty year anniversary of LBJ signing the Civil Rights Actor, which meantthew UIL absorbed the pv I L. And we're open to talk to lbj's daughter, Lucy Bains Johnson and Austin about her dad's impact on sports in the state of Texas.

So we're learning all kinds of things. It all started I wanted to do the Southwest Conference and Rob Lynch said, well, what about the previewwenter scholastically because he had been talking to Joe Green and Kenny Houston and they were telling them stories when they played in the PV I L. And when Rob told me, I said, really that that happened. So it really got my interest in but Rob Lynch's idea and now it's a labor of love and we're hoping to have it out in February would be the sixty year anniversary of LBJ signing the Civil Rights Actor, which meantthew UIL absorbed the pv I L. And we're open to talk to lbj's daughter, Lucy Bains Johnson and Austin about her dad's impact on sports in the state of Texas.

Well.

Well.

Can't wait till it's done, can't wait to watch it, John McLean joining us. All Right, two weeks from tonight, the Texans make their pick in the first round twenty fifth or do they trade John? Are they going to trade it either way up or down? Or do they keep it? Stan padd at twenty five.

Can't wait till it's done, can't wait to watch it, John McLean joining us. All Right, two weeks from tonight, the Texans make their pick in the first round twenty fifth or do they trade John? Are they going to trade it either way up or down? Or do they keep it? Stan padd at twenty five.

Well, we know Nick ca Serio is gonna make trades. Whether he trades up or down, I don't know, but I'm guessing he's going in one direction. Based on the lineman that they've brought in two tackles and two guards, I think they still need another cornerstone offensive lineman, and there should be quite a few available at that point. I think you can get receivers in the other round. They've got depth in their defensive line and I and we talk about this all the time, how many times if we are Dimiko Ryant say the games are one up front, they're one in the trenches. He's never said that about running back, secondary, linebackers, wide receivers. It's the and they have much more. They have more talent and more depth in the defensive line. And that's why I think they will still take aligneman. I'd love to see if he has one he thinks is higher rated and available moving up four or five spots, go for it. He thinks he'd still get one moving down. So maybe another team gets back in to take a quarterback they like, like maybe Jackson Dart. I'm all for that too. All I know is I can't wait. They didn't have a first round pick last year, and that didn't turn out too shabby. In the second and third rounds.

Well, we know Nick ca Serio is gonna make trades. Whether he trades up or down, I don't know, but I'm guessing he's going in one direction. Based on the lineman that they've brought in two tackles and two guards, I think they still need another cornerstone offensive lineman, and there should be quite a few available at that point. I think you can get receivers in the other round. They've got depth in their defensive line and I and we talk about this all the time, how many times if we are Dimiko Ryant say the games are one up front, they're one in the trenches. He's never said that about running back, secondary, linebackers, wide receivers. It's the and they have much more. They have more talent and more depth in the defensive line. And that's why I think they will still take aligneman. I'd love to see if he has one he thinks is higher rated and available moving up four or five spots, go for it. He thinks he'd still get one moving down. So maybe another team gets back in to take a quarterback they like, like maybe Jackson Dart. I'm all for that too. All I know is I can't wait. They didn't have a first round pick last year, and that didn't turn out too shabby. In the second and third rounds.

Yeah I did. It did not turn out too shabby. Kamari Lassler, Blake Fisher, Kaylen Bullock catched over. Those are the four picks in a row, and they were fantastic picks contributing as rookies.

Yeah I did. It did not turn out too shabby. Kamari Lassler, Blake Fisher, Kaylen Bullock catched over. Those are the four picks in a row, and they were fantastic picks contributing as rookies.

Will see what they do in year two. General, I think you're right.

Will see what they do in year two. General, I think you're right.

I do think and when I do my final mock soon, I think I'm gonna end up putting an offensive lineman with the Texans. I feel like the movement would happen in the second round if they moved up for a pick. What do you think would make more sense to move for a pick in the second round for a wide receiver or an interior defensive lineman.

I do think and when I do my final mock soon, I think I'm gonna end up putting an offensive lineman with the Texans. I feel like the movement would happen in the second round if they moved up for a pick. What do you think would make more sense to move for a pick in the second round for a wide receiver or an interior defensive lineman.

They have much more depth in the interior defensive line right now than they do at receiver, so I would say a receiver is not a great draft for receivers, And if they did take one in the first round, I wish it'd be a Mecca Muca since he and Strib played together at Ohio State and he had his best season playing with CJ's drive. But I could see them trading up in the second round, not giving up a lot because they've got seven picks.

They have much more depth in the interior defensive line right now than they do at receiver, so I would say a receiver is not a great draft for receivers, And if they did take one in the first round, I wish it'd be a Mecca Muca since he and Strib played together at Ohio State and he had his best season playing with CJ's drive. But I could see them trading up in the second round, not giving up a lot because they've got seven picks.

We know.

We know.

I'm guessing out of those seven, they'll trade three of them. But I would like to see him get that wide receiver in the second round and then work third round. Got two third round picks, take a defense interior defensive tackle there. I just think that would be more ideal. You need more in the line because let's be honest, the laeman they have signed and traded for wouldn't be available if they played real well last season. That's first time Cam Robinson's played a full season in like forever. And he had the most penalties, he said, since twenty nineteen, but it's still ten fewer than Lermie Tunsil had nine to what Tunzel had nineteen right nineteen. Wow, And so I do think, and I do think maybe that guy's disagree with me. I still see some people saying Titus could play tackle. I think Titus is a left guard. He played there better there last year than he did at tackle, and they didn't draft Blake Fisher in the second round last year to sit on the bench, and he got some valuable experience. So I think going in it's going to be Cam Robinson and Blake Fisher tackle and left guard. I'm guessing Titus new right guard may news center. I don't know. Jews Scruggs played pretty well at right guard when he had to play for Shak Mason last year, and then they made the mistake of putting Shaq back in. Now he's gone and hadn't been hadn't been any noise about him at all, and I'm guessing he's one of those guys who signed right before camp. I saw George Fans available George Fan did a pretty darn good job here two years ago being signed in training camp. But to me, I love the fact they didn't try to put a band aid on the offensive line in say, trade Kenyon Green and then maybe cut Shack Mason and that's it. I like the way they've done an overall.

I'm guessing out of those seven, they'll trade three of them. But I would like to see him get that wide receiver in the second round and then work third round. Got two third round picks, take a defense interior defensive tackle there. I just think that would be more ideal. You need more in the line because let's be honest, the laeman they have signed and traded for wouldn't be available if they played real well last season. That's first time Cam Robinson's played a full season in like forever. And he had the most penalties, he said, since twenty nineteen, but it's still ten fewer than Lermie Tunsil had nine to what Tunzel had nineteen right nineteen. Wow, And so I do think, and I do think maybe that guy's disagree with me. I still see some people saying Titus could play tackle. I think Titus is a left guard. He played there better there last year than he did at tackle, and they didn't draft Blake Fisher in the second round last year to sit on the bench, and he got some valuable experience. So I think going in it's going to be Cam Robinson and Blake Fisher tackle and left guard. I'm guessing Titus new right guard may news center. I don't know. Jews Scruggs played pretty well at right guard when he had to play for Shak Mason last year, and then they made the mistake of putting Shaq back in. Now he's gone and hadn't been hadn't been any noise about him at all, and I'm guessing he's one of those guys who signed right before camp. I saw George Fans available George Fan did a pretty darn good job here two years ago being signed in training camp. But to me, I love the fact they didn't try to put a band aid on the offensive line in say, trade Kenyon Green and then maybe cut Shack Mason and that's it. I like the way they've done an overall.

Yeah, And I was gonna ask you about that, General, because barring one of these draft choices turning into a Hall of Famer, multi time Pro bowler, and I hope they all do, the story of this offseason is going to be that it's going to be the year they blew up the offensive line and really started over, not completely over, but by and large with that position group to get better results. And now that a few weeks have passed, many weeks have passed through, are you still surprised they did it? What was your general reaction, General, And what do you think is going to happen as a result, Not necessarily personnel, but will this work as they embark on twenty twenty five and beyond, the.

Yeah, And I was gonna ask you about that, General, because barring one of these draft choices turning into a Hall of Famer, multi time Pro bowler, and I hope they all do, the story of this offseason is going to be that it's going to be the year they blew up the offensive line and really started over, not completely over, but by and large with that position group to get better results. And now that a few weeks have passed, many weeks have passed through, are you still surprised they did it? What was your general reaction, General, And what do you think is going to happen as a result, Not necessarily personnel, but will this work as they embark on twenty twenty five and beyond, the.

Greatest mystery, and we've talked about this before, is how in twenty twenty three, with a lot of injuries in the offensive line and Chris Dreisser and Kolbabovich as the coaches. Did the line play so much better that year than it did last season? What did opponents discover besides stunts dead could make the offensive line look so bad. One reason Bobby Slowan got fired is he didn't adjust with the defensive coaches who's been all off season adjusting for him. And the coach that's under the most pressures not Demiko and it's not Kay, it's Cole Popovich. He was the backup. They kept him on the staff. As you guys know, when's the last line coach here that coach more than two years in a row?

Greatest mystery, and we've talked about this before, is how in twenty twenty three, with a lot of injuries in the offensive line and Chris Dreisser and Kolbabovich as the coaches. Did the line play so much better that year than it did last season? What did opponents discover besides stunts dead could make the offensive line look so bad. One reason Bobby Slowan got fired is he didn't adjust with the defensive coaches who's been all off season adjusting for him. And the coach that's under the most pressures not Demiko and it's not Kay, it's Cole Popovich. He was the backup. They kept him on the staff. As you guys know, when's the last line coach here that coach more than two years in a row?

Uh, Mike Devlin Evn.

Uh, Mike Devlin Evn.

That's right. And they need stability in the coaching staff up front, where coaches here three, four or five years. So Pavovich is under the most pressure to me of any of the coaches. And I can't wait to see how it all plays out. And I love what they've done. Even if they if they weren't any better, at least they're trying. That's the key. At Least they're making moves. They've given themselves depth, they've got experience, but they still need another one like they did Blake Fisher last year in the second round. That's why I like Johnath think it'll be an offensive lineman in the first round. Don't know who, John, let me ask you about something. If he hadn't blown out his Josh Simmons of a wild State might have been the top tackle. They say he's healthy, but you know what it is. When guys blow out their quad, sometimes they're not ever the same. If he's available at twenty five over, would you take him over like Josh Connery or Donovan Jackson who moved from guard to tackle to replace him and did really well. Would you take a chance on Simmons who could turn out to be better than the en lineman in this draft.

That's right. And they need stability in the coaching staff up front, where coaches here three, four or five years. So Pavovich is under the most pressure to me of any of the coaches. And I can't wait to see how it all plays out. And I love what they've done. Even if they if they weren't any better, at least they're trying. That's the key. At Least they're making moves. They've given themselves depth, they've got experience, but they still need another one like they did Blake Fisher last year in the second round. That's why I like Johnath think it'll be an offensive lineman in the first round. Don't know who, John, let me ask you about something. If he hadn't blown out his Josh Simmons of a wild State might have been the top tackle. They say he's healthy, but you know what it is. When guys blow out their quad, sometimes they're not ever the same. If he's available at twenty five over, would you take him over like Josh Connery or Donovan Jackson who moved from guard to tackle to replace him and did really well. Would you take a chance on Simmons who could turn out to be better than the en lineman in this draft.

I think Simmons is the most and the best natural tackle in this draft. His agility, the way he moves. He actually has got a desire to block in the run game. But you watch a movie like Man, that's the way a tackle is supposed to look. My only reservation, John, is I've read I think it was Todd mcshae. Maybe you talked about the fact that there were some there were some issues, some maturity issues and things like that, And then I talked to a few other people and they were like, OHI to state coaches don't seem to be.

I think Simmons is the most and the best natural tackle in this draft. His agility, the way he moves. He actually has got a desire to block in the run game. But you watch a movie like Man, that's the way a tackle is supposed to look. My only reservation, John, is I've read I think it was Todd mcshae. Maybe you talked about the fact that there were some there were some issues, some maturity issues and things like that, And then I talked to a few other people and they were like, OHI to state coaches don't seem to be.

Real high on him. That would be my only reservation.

Real high on him. That would be my only reservation.

What I see on the field, Josh Simmons would be that guy my hairris one hundred. I think I have Simmons eleven or twelve because I do think he is the best natural tackle in this draft. But I just don't know what that I don't know what all that means, and I don't know that information I don't know at firsthand.

What I see on the field, Josh Simmons would be that guy my hairris one hundred. I think I have Simmons eleven or twelve because I do think he is the best natural tackle in this draft. But I just don't know what that I don't know what all that means, and I don't know that information I don't know at firsthand.

So it's one of those things where.

So it's one of those things where.

You're like, yeah, you hear things and you know where there's smoke, there's fire. But just from a playing standpoint, Josh Simmons to me is the best natural tackle in this draft. There's there's no question to me in my mind. Now, he didn't play a lot this year, but tell Attendon, which I think Trent Brown is coming back from as well, So you would have two guys and two tackles coming back to the same injury, one obviously a little bit older than the other.

You're like, yeah, you hear things and you know where there's smoke, there's fire. But just from a playing standpoint, Josh Simmons to me is the best natural tackle in this draft. There's there's no question to me in my mind. Now, he didn't play a lot this year, but tell Attendon, which I think Trent Brown is coming back from as well, So you would have two guys and two tackles coming back to the same injury, one obviously a little bit older than the other.

But I love Simmons as a player.

But I love Simmons as a player.

I just hesitate with some of that stuff off the field, and whether it's is that you know, kind of just immaturity being a young young guy, a young college student, or are those inherent issues that you want to stay away from because he's just not swarming like you want those guys to be.

I just hesitate with some of that stuff off the field, and whether it's is that you know, kind of just immaturity being a young young guy, a young college student, or are those inherent issues that you want to stay away from because he's just not swarming like you want those guys to be.

That I think ends up being the question general, this.

That I think ends up being the question general, this.

Hang on one second. If they could get your eleven or twelve or twenty five, I think that would be a great deal. And I don't really care who they get. I just wanted to be a nasty soob who want to bury people.

Hang on one second. If they could get your eleven or twelve or twenty five, I think that would be a great deal. And I don't really care who they get. I just wanted to be a nasty soob who want to bury people.

Yes, absolutely, and I think Josh's got a little bit of that. Even though he's a really good pass protector. I think when you look at it, people are like, oh, that's larum me. I don't think he's the greatest run block in the world, but you see effort, you see a guy that wants to do it, and I think that's a huge step in the right direction from that standpoint. General, I can't remember last time we talked to you, but the Texans went out and signed EJ. Speed, the linebacker from the Indianapolis Colts, and I don't want to sefl conflicted.

Yes, absolutely, and I think Josh's got a little bit of that. Even though he's a really good pass protector. I think when you look at it, people are like, oh, that's larum me. I don't think he's the greatest run block in the world, but you see effort, you see a guy that wants to do it, and I think that's a huge step in the right direction from that standpoint. General, I can't remember last time we talked to you, but the Texans went out and signed EJ. Speed, the linebacker from the Indianapolis Colts, and I don't want to sefl conflicted.

I was happy because I know EJ. Speed.

I was happy because I know EJ. Speed.

Obviously you take him off the Colts, I think it makes the Colts a little less lesser defense, yep, But I know Speed can run get one hundred forty two tackles last year. He is a good linebacker. But it also I went, man, you got a z's in Christian and Henry already they're already fighting for two spots, and now you bring Speed in here. What are his expectations? What are your thoughts about EJ. Speed joining the Texans as one of the linebacker group.

Obviously you take him off the Colts, I think it makes the Colts a little less lesser defense, yep, But I know Speed can run get one hundred forty two tackles last year. He is a good linebacker. But it also I went, man, you got a z's in Christian and Henry already they're already fighting for two spots, and now you bring Speed in here. What are his expectations? What are your thoughts about EJ. Speed joining the Texans as one of the linebacker group.

He was second on the team in tackles. He played I think ninety five percent of the plays, which means he they thought he could cover, and that's good. They have so much depth there. And the only start too. He got your two starters back in to Atoa to go with Iss, and I thought it was strange when I saw it because of Christian Harris. Is he one hundred percent? Will he ever be one hundred percent?

He was second on the team in tackles. He played I think ninety five percent of the plays, which means he they thought he could cover, and that's good. They have so much depth there. And the only start too. He got your two starters back in to Atoa to go with Iss, and I thought it was strange when I saw it because of Christian Harris. Is he one hundred percent? Will he ever be one hundred percent?

You know?

You know?

He came back, he flashed, then they put him on the bench and played Henry to Atoa, who made tremendous progress in his second season. That's a pretty awesome one two punch Iss and Tortola. And I don't Harris is going the last year of his contract. Do you think it'll be his best season? But as soon as I've thought about that with Speed, I thought about Harris. What's up with Harris?

He came back, he flashed, then they put him on the bench and played Henry to Atoa, who made tremendous progress in his second season. That's a pretty awesome one two punch Iss and Tortola. And I don't Harris is going the last year of his contract. Do you think it'll be his best season? But as soon as I've thought about that with Speed, I thought about Harris. What's up with Harris?

That's it. That's insurance, and it could be more. Who knows.

That's it. That's insurance, and it could be more. Who knows.

Maybe Christian's not healthy right now. Who knows what the situation is. It's the off season. Maybe we'll see a little bit more when they begin off season conditioning a week from Monday and the draft obviously two weeks from tonight. General Trevor Lawrence pitch count OTAs oh, my left shoulder ac joint recovery not one hundred percent yet. They say he'll be ready for the season, ready for training camp, but you never know. I don't want bad things to happen to people injury wise. That just popped out to me though, that bit of information. Your thoughts.

Maybe Christian's not healthy right now. Who knows what the situation is. It's the off season. Maybe we'll see a little bit more when they begin off season conditioning a week from Monday and the draft obviously two weeks from tonight. General Trevor Lawrence pitch count OTAs oh, my left shoulder ac joint recovery not one hundred percent yet. They say he'll be ready for the season, ready for training camp, but you never know. I don't want bad things to happen to people injury wise. That just popped out to me though, that bit of information. Your thoughts.

Liam Cohen is the new coach there. When he was at Kentucky, when Will Levis was a sophomore, Lewis was great. Everybody was talking about him first round next year. Then Cohen left, lost a couple of receivers, he was not the same, and the Titans got him in the second round, and so far he hadn't done anything to make them think he's going to be their starters. So they're going to take cam Ward and I think Cohen, based on everything I heard, is a really good offensive coach, and that's not good for the rest of the AFC South because he may have the effect on Lawrence. That's say, who's the coach that went to Tampa's now they head coach at Carolina, Dave canallis the effect he had on Baker Mayfield. So if you get a good offensive coach, whether it's coordinator or a quarterback coach or a combination, that's not good for your other opponents. If Trevor Lawrence is ever going to come close to living up to the generational talent that everybody said he was, you'd think it have to be this year. They don't seem to be worried about him having a problem in the season. It is his left shoulder, not his throwing shoulder. But I think Lawrence has his best chance to be successful under Liam Cohen than he does since he got into the NFL. In that first season was a disaster because of Urban Meyer.

Liam Cohen is the new coach there. When he was at Kentucky, when Will Levis was a sophomore, Lewis was great. Everybody was talking about him first round next year. Then Cohen left, lost a couple of receivers, he was not the same, and the Titans got him in the second round, and so far he hadn't done anything to make them think he's going to be their starters. So they're going to take cam Ward and I think Cohen, based on everything I heard, is a really good offensive coach, and that's not good for the rest of the AFC South because he may have the effect on Lawrence. That's say, who's the coach that went to Tampa's now they head coach at Carolina, Dave canallis the effect he had on Baker Mayfield. So if you get a good offensive coach, whether it's coordinator or a quarterback coach or a combination, that's not good for your other opponents. If Trevor Lawrence is ever going to come close to living up to the generational talent that everybody said he was, you'd think it have to be this year. They don't seem to be worried about him having a problem in the season. It is his left shoulder, not his throwing shoulder. But I think Lawrence has his best chance to be successful under Liam Cohen than he does since he got into the NFL. In that first season was a disaster because of Urban Meyer.

Okay, this one's for both of you. Okay, stay with me on this. So I was I.

Okay, this one's for both of you. Okay, stay with me on this. So I was I.

Wasn't looking for this.

Wasn't looking for this.

It just popped up on my timeline and it was from one of the betting services like bet us or fandor one of the others, and it had the odds for Shador Sanders being drafted, and it listed the teams in order of the odds, and they had obviously the top three teams. I think the Titans weren't in there. I think it was the Browns and the Giants. Sitting forth on that odds list was the Indianapolis Colts. In your wildest imagination, could you see the Colts general you go first? Could you see the Colts drafting Shador Sanders at number fourteen to add to Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.

It just popped up on my timeline and it was from one of the betting services like bet us or fandor one of the others, and it had the odds for Shador Sanders being drafted, and it listed the teams in order of the odds, and they had obviously the top three teams. I think the Titans weren't in there. I think it was the Browns and the Giants. Sitting forth on that odds list was the Indianapolis Colts. In your wildest imagination, could you see the Colts general you go first? Could you see the Colts drafting Shador Sanders at number fourteen to add to Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones.

Absolutely not, but it would certainly be interesting to see a team have three quarterbacks drafted. Let's see fourth, sixth, and fourteen on their roster. So no, I don't If they did do that, they might as well just cut Anthony Richardson. That's telling everybody you've totally given up on him. I think the most likely would be New Orleans, although I think we're gonna be surprised. I think somebody's gonna take him and we're gonna go oh, like we did last year when Denver. Maybe it drafted next in the first round and everybody's like, Wow, he's supposed to be a second round pick. But I'd be stunned if he ended up with the Colts.

Absolutely not, but it would certainly be interesting to see a team have three quarterbacks drafted. Let's see fourth, sixth, and fourteen on their roster. So no, I don't If they did do that, they might as well just cut Anthony Richardson. That's telling everybody you've totally given up on him. I think the most likely would be New Orleans, although I think we're gonna be surprised. I think somebody's gonna take him and we're gonna go oh, like we did last year when Denver. Maybe it drafted next in the first round and everybody's like, Wow, he's supposed to be a second round pick. But I'd be stunned if he ended up with the Colts.

Yeah, I don't think they'd do it, Johnny, because that's just throwing more money. It's not money, it's draft capital at a problem where you don't have an apparent solution of Shador Sanders is not the guy. If it was cam Ward available the number one overall pick, maybe they go ahead and take cam Ward.

Yeah, I don't think they'd do it, Johnny, because that's just throwing more money. It's not money, it's draft capital at a problem where you don't have an apparent solution of Shador Sanders is not the guy. If it was cam Ward available the number one overall pick, maybe they go ahead and take cam Ward.

And maybe if they had a number one overall pick, they probably wouldn't have signed Daniel Georges or they would have gotten rid of Richardson by the other.

And maybe if they had a number one overall pick, they probably wouldn't have signed Daniel Georges or they would have gotten rid of Richardson by the other.

Right, So they can't afford to do that. However, if it doesn't work with this competition between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson general, what do they do? Because I do we go back to that salty veteran. Let's get Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, guy in here. Try that again. Do we draft a guy again? What are they gonna do If this doesn't work? And I don't think it's gonna work, So what are they gonna do?

Right, So they can't afford to do that. However, if it doesn't work with this competition between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson general, what do they do? Because I do we go back to that salty veteran. Let's get Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, guy in here. Try that again. Do we draft a guy again? What are they gonna do If this doesn't work? And I don't think it's gonna work, So what are they gonna do?

They will draft a quarterback next year in the first round and his name is new general manager. Who's Ballard?

They will draft a quarterback next year in the first round and his name is new general manager. Who's Ballard?

Chris Ballard.

Chris Ballard.

Chris Ballard will get fired, Yeah, because of how bad they miss hit on Anthony Richardson. I think Daniel Jones was a good signing for a guy who's going to back up a young guy. But you know, right now, best they're looking at being mediocre. I tell you, if I's the fan base of the Browns, I don't care if they get Travis Hunter or Abdell Carter. Going into the season with Kenny Pickett as my starting quarterback would just make me want to vomit. And they're gonna need a quarterback next year. Now we all know Shan Watson's gonna bounce back because he put out a video on Instagram. He'll get He'll be a free agent this time next year because they'll cut him with a forty five million cap hit, so he'll be unrestricted and he'll go somewhere for like a million a year. He'll get another chance because everybody is so desperate. But can you imagine how many clauses that contract will have about off the field issues?

Chris Ballard will get fired, Yeah, because of how bad they miss hit on Anthony Richardson. I think Daniel Jones was a good signing for a guy who's going to back up a young guy. But you know, right now, best they're looking at being mediocre. I tell you, if I's the fan base of the Browns, I don't care if they get Travis Hunter or Abdell Carter. Going into the season with Kenny Pickett as my starting quarterback would just make me want to vomit. And they're gonna need a quarterback next year. Now we all know Shan Watson's gonna bounce back because he put out a video on Instagram. He'll get He'll be a free agent this time next year because they'll cut him with a forty five million cap hit, so he'll be unrestricted and he'll go somewhere for like a million a year. He'll get another chance because everybody is so desperate. But can you imagine how many clauses that contract will have about off the field issues?

How about Kirk Cousins going to Cleveland And oh, by the way, do you know who the number one rated prospect is for the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. His name is Arch Manning.

How about Kirk Cousins going to Cleveland And oh, by the way, do you know who the number one rated prospect is for the twenty twenty six NFL Draft. His name is Arch Manning.

One year.

One year.

Think he's coming out after one?

Think he's coming out after one?

Yeah, everybody said there was a PFF had an article the other day said if everybody was eligible to come out in this draft, arch Manning was the number one prospect if.

Yeah, everybody said there was a PFF had an article the other day said if everybody was eligible to come out in this draft, arch Manning was the number one prospect if.

His name was Arch Smith. Would that be the case?

His name was Arch Smith. Would that be the case?

Of course?

Of course?

Not how much if they've seen of him, of course that.

Not how much if they've seen of him, of course that.

I mean, it's all projection. He's played. I think he played ninety four plays last No, not nice.

I mean, it's all projection. He's played. I think he played ninety four plays last No, not nice.

He's the greatest. If he's that great quarterback, a generational quarterback like Andrew Luck first before since John Ilway. Why would Steve Sargezan have been playing gwin yours? If he's gonna be the first pick in the draft, and he may be, I think he'll stay two years. I don't think he'll come out after one. It's not like he needs the money and no telling how much inn I Elman.

He's the greatest. If he's that great quarterback, a generational quarterback like Andrew Luck first before since John Ilway. Why would Steve Sargezan have been playing gwin yours? If he's gonna be the first pick in the draft, and he may be, I think he'll stay two years. I don't think he'll come out after one. It's not like he needs the money and no telling how much inn I Elman.

Oh, but you're yours saying about this.

Oh, but you're yours saying about this.

The cop in the Big Man of Text Tech got four million to go back for one year to Texas Tech. And basketball players can get that, how much can quarterbacks get?

The cop in the Big Man of Text Tech got four million to go back for one year to Texas Tech. And basketball players can get that, how much can quarterbacks get?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I guarantee your arch Maakes makes a little bit. I just wanted to see Mark's face. If the Colts drafted other Manning at quarterbacks.

I guarantee your arch Maakes makes a little bit. I just wanted to see Mark's face. If the Colts drafted other Manning at quarterbacks.

Don't do it, Johnny, That's why I did it.

Don't do it, Johnny, That's why I did it.

Don't do that to me.

Don't do that to me.

Should it be something? If the Browns were so bad with Kenny Pigott that they ended up after blowing the Deshaun Watson trade and they ended up with arch Manning.

Should it be something? If the Browns were so bad with Kenny Pigott that they ended up after blowing the Deshaun Watson trade and they ended up with arch Manning.

I guarantee you Archie and Peyton and Cooper and Eli would make sure that he went back to Texas for another year. If it was Cleveland, I promise you. I promise you, he would be playing another year at the University of Texas, taking his chances that it would be somebody different having a number one pick the following year.

I guarantee you Archie and Peyton and Cooper and Eli would make sure that he went back to Texas for another year. If it was Cleveland, I promise you. I promise you, he would be playing another year at the University of Texas, taking his chances that it would be somebody different having a number one pick the following year.

General other than Otto Graham. Who's the best quarterback in Brown's history? Is it Brian Sipe, who was a league MVP.

General other than Otto Graham. Who's the best quarterback in Brown's history? Is it Brian Sipe, who was a league MVP.

A lot of people from Bernie Gozar Bernie. Yeah, Bernie, that's a good one, yep.

A lot of people from Bernie Gozar Bernie. Yeah, Bernie, that's a good one, yep.

I mean side was the last, the only one to throw for four thousand yards. That was in ninety teen eighty and then Bernie of course went to three championship names. Bernie is the most popular quarterback there's ever been up there, including now. Not only did he want to play in Cleveland because he's from Boardman, Ohio, when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland in the mid eighty's one of the greatest quotes I ever heard, Richie sin Believe, the baseball player who was traded there, I think from Kansas City. They said, how do you feel about being traded to Cleveland? He goes, well, the best thing about is I don't have to make any more road trips there. Bernie wanted to go there. He's always lived there. He is the most revered quarterback in that franchise's history.

I mean side was the last, the only one to throw for four thousand yards. That was in ninety teen eighty and then Bernie of course went to three championship names. Bernie is the most popular quarterback there's ever been up there, including now. Not only did he want to play in Cleveland because he's from Boardman, Ohio, when nobody wanted to go to Cleveland in the mid eighty's one of the greatest quotes I ever heard, Richie sin Believe, the baseball player who was traded there, I think from Kansas City. They said, how do you feel about being traded to Cleveland? He goes, well, the best thing about is I don't have to make any more road trips there. Bernie wanted to go there. He's always lived there. He is the most revered quarterback in that franchise's history.

Okay, I think Kirk Cousins is in play for them.

Okay, I think Kirk Cousins is in play for them.

I've kind of heard a little rumblings about that. Now.

I've kind of heard a little rumblings about that. Now.

I don't know how they would make the money work and all that kind I don't know.

I don't know how they would make the money work and all that kind I don't know.

But I can't figure out what would what would Atlanta do for a backup because there's a chance Pennis is not going to be starting all seventeen games and they're gonna have to have somebody else, and uh, they've already paid him all the money. They don't need to trade him for money. So if i'm them, I'm sticking with Kirk Cousins because they're not gonna get much for him if they do it, but Cleveland would be the likely spot to go for him to go, since we all think Rogers is going to Pittsburgh.

But I can't figure out what would what would Atlanta do for a backup because there's a chance Pennis is not going to be starting all seventeen games and they're gonna have to have somebody else, and uh, they've already paid him all the money. They don't need to trade him for money. So if i'm them, I'm sticking with Kirk Cousins because they're not gonna get much for him if they do it, but Cleveland would be the likely spot to go for him to go, since we all think Rogers is going to Pittsburgh.

I got your backup right here, Ryan Tannehill, he's off, he's out of the lead.

I got your backup right here, Ryan Tannehill, he's off, he's out of the lead.

Johnnie, Yeah, made so much money sit on the couch eating Pope him.

Johnnie, Yeah, made so much money sit on the couch eating Pope him.

Talked to him last year and he just wasn't interested. Yeah, I am talked to him this offseason, just not interested.

Talked to him last year and he just wasn't interested. Yeah, I am talked to him this offseason, just not interested.

I think if he wanted a job, he could get a job, certainly as a backup. So Cousins would be a very expensive backup in Atlanta general. Speaking of backups, Joe Milton traded from the Patriots to the Cowboys.

I think if he wanted a job, he could get a job, certainly as a backup. So Cousins would be a very expensive backup in Atlanta general. Speaking of backups, Joe Milton traded from the Patriots to the Cowboys.

I was a little surprised about this.

I was a little surprised about this.

I also thought maybe Milton could fetch more because I think Milton, it's not like he's got NFL pelts, but he kind of semi proved himself in some limited action with New England last next year did and I was kept him.

I also thought maybe Milton could fetch more because I think Milton, it's not like he's got NFL pelts, but he kind of semi proved himself in some limited action with New England last next year did and I was kept him.

Yeah, well, because the Hoves are Drake May's not going to play seventeen games and they signed Josh with Dobbs who bounces around the league like a pinball. I would have kept melting because everybody's oozing eyes about his arm. See if he got any more playing time, look good? Then try to trade him for more. But you get it. You draft him in the sixth and you get a fifth and Cowboys gave up a four for Trey Lance. That didn't work. I'd like to be Trey Lance's agent. He must be making a nice cut the way that guy keeps getting jobs without doing Jack Squad.

Yeah, well, because the Hoves are Drake May's not going to play seventeen games and they signed Josh with Dobbs who bounces around the league like a pinball. I would have kept melting because everybody's oozing eyes about his arm. See if he got any more playing time, look good? Then try to trade him for more. But you get it. You draft him in the sixth and you get a fifth and Cowboys gave up a four for Trey Lance. That didn't work. I'd like to be Trey Lance's agent. He must be making a nice cut the way that guy keeps getting jobs without doing Jack Squad.

Boy doesn't Lance and some of these other guys don't. They need a shot at the UFL or something. They need to play football. Lance needs to actually play football. Yeah, he needs to play the game. Didn't play it enough in college.

Boy doesn't Lance and some of these other guys don't. They need a shot at the UFL or something. They need to play football. Lance needs to actually play football. Yeah, he needs to play the game. Didn't play it enough in college.

Why he's got a contract where he can make up to six million bucks.

Why he's got a contract where he can make up to six million bucks.

Well even for him, that's fine, But if you want to develop a guy, it gets to be a little tough. There's no NFL Europe anymore. We all know that. Back to the Melton thing, though, buzz around New England is that Milton might have a little grassroots following and that might put too much heat on May, and Vrabel wanted to know part of it. Make May the unquestionable starting quarterback thoughts.

Well even for him, that's fine, But if you want to develop a guy, it gets to be a little tough. There's no NFL Europe anymore. We all know that. Back to the Melton thing, though, buzz around New England is that Milton might have a little grassroots following and that might put too much heat on May, and Vrabel wanted to know part of it. Make May the unquestionable starting quarterback thoughts.

You worry about. One of the greatest examples of this was Kirk Cousins and RG three and before that both of them in Washington when he Heath Shooler was like the fifth pick and Gus Faroot seventh round. Farright looked better in preseason Sonny Jergensen on the broadcast said, I think Fara should be starting over Schuler. It was a huge quarterback controversy. Schuler couldn't handle it and he ended up as an attorney in politics and talk shows. And then, of course RG three is Rookie of the Year and then he gets hurt and Cousins plays and plays better, and even though they did everything they could to help RG three come back get the job, he was never the same. But the fan base after that rookie year turned on him and they Kirk Cousins, So maybe there's something to that. Like Cleveland, after the Texans just annihilated them in the playoffs, they should have resigned Joe Flacco, but they didn't want fans chanting we want Joe or flag co Flacoh every time watching through an incompletion or an interception that was bad for the team. Considering watching didn't do anything, but Flacco was better for that franchise than he has been in recent years since he left Baltimore, So there's something to it. That's why you usually want a young guy with a seasoned veteran who knows his role, like Andy Dalton has played in multiple teams since he left Cincinnati, and that's why he's got a multi year deal with Carolina to mentor Bryce Young. And he loves that role. He embouses and the fans and the coaches appreciate that. So I could certainly believe that mark that that's why they traded Melton.

You worry about. One of the greatest examples of this was Kirk Cousins and RG three and before that both of them in Washington when he Heath Shooler was like the fifth pick and Gus Faroot seventh round. Farright looked better in preseason Sonny Jergensen on the broadcast said, I think Fara should be starting over Schuler. It was a huge quarterback controversy. Schuler couldn't handle it and he ended up as an attorney in politics and talk shows. And then, of course RG three is Rookie of the Year and then he gets hurt and Cousins plays and plays better, and even though they did everything they could to help RG three come back get the job, he was never the same. But the fan base after that rookie year turned on him and they Kirk Cousins, So maybe there's something to that. Like Cleveland, after the Texans just annihilated them in the playoffs, they should have resigned Joe Flacco, but they didn't want fans chanting we want Joe or flag co Flacoh every time watching through an incompletion or an interception that was bad for the team. Considering watching didn't do anything, but Flacco was better for that franchise than he has been in recent years since he left Baltimore, So there's something to it. That's why you usually want a young guy with a seasoned veteran who knows his role, like Andy Dalton has played in multiple teams since he left Cincinnati, and that's why he's got a multi year deal with Carolina to mentor Bryce Young. And he loves that role. He embouses and the fans and the coaches appreciate that. So I could certainly believe that mark that that's why they traded Melton.

Okay, so once for both of y'all.

Okay, so once for both of y'all.

Okay, higher number or more starts in twenty twenty five, Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh, Schador Sanders and New Orleans.

Okay, higher number or more starts in twenty twenty five, Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh, Schador Sanders and New Orleans.

Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh.

Aaron Rodgers and Pittsburgh.

You think that's gonna happen? Yeah, yes, I do.

You think that's gonna happen? Yeah, yes, I do.

And I think he'll be the starter. You know, he's never had injuries other than that major one two seasons ago, and he's got a lot to prove. He's got a team that can run the ball, he's got a team that's got receivers. I just don't understand what the holdup.

And I think he'll be the starter. You know, he's never had injuries other than that major one two seasons ago, and he's got a lot to prove. He's got a team that can run the ball, he's got a team that's got receivers. I just don't understand what the holdup.

Is Mark, I would say definitely Aaron Rodgers. Okay, because Sanders left somebody in front of him named Derek Carr.

Is Mark, I would say definitely Aaron Rodgers. Okay, because Sanders left somebody in front of him named Derek Carr.

We'll see how it goes.

We'll see how it goes.

Go me a diet coke when Shouder starts all seventeen games for the Saints.

Go me a diet coke when Shouder starts all seventeen games for the Saints.

Okay, let's go, let's go. We'll see how that works out.

Okay, let's go, let's go. We'll see how that works out.

Anyway, General, thanks so much for being with us. As always, we appreciate the time.

Anyway, General, thanks so much for being with us. As always, we appreciate the time.

Guys, is my pleasure. Thank you very much as always.

Guys, is my pleasure. Thank you very much as always.

All right, coming up, who's better We've got? Draft choice is quarterbacks, vintage quarterbacks. It's all coming up here on Texans Radio. All right, back to it here on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you. Great to have you along for the ride as we are cooking draft in two weeks. Opening night at Avenidas will be down there and right in front of the Georgie R. Brown Convention Center. In fact, I think we're kind of shaded by the George R. Brown Convention Center.

All right, coming up, who's better We've got? Draft choice is quarterbacks, vintage quarterbacks. It's all coming up here on Texans Radio. All right, back to it here on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermaer and John Harris with you. Great to have you along for the ride as we are cooking draft in two weeks. Opening night at Avenidas will be down there and right in front of the Georgie R. Brown Convention Center. In fact, I think we're kind of shaded by the George R. Brown Convention Center.

That's nice. Yeah, we got a little shade.

That's nice. Yeah, we got a little shade.

I think I think it works out pretty well for us, as we'll have the main stage. That sounds weird to say it that way, but there's a big stage. There's all sorts of stuff going on. I'm sure Cecil will be down there in some capacity. I know some things about the draft party. I'll share more as we get closer to it.

I think I think it works out pretty well for us, as we'll have the main stage. That sounds weird to say it that way, but there's a big stage. There's all sorts of stuff going on. I'm sure Cecil will be down there in some capacity. I know some things about the draft party. I'll share more as we get closer to it.

Okay, Ticella, we're like the side like the side stage, we're like raging the machine used to go, like to become big, you know, forgetting to the main stage.

Okay, Ticella, we're like the side like the side stage, we're like raging the machine used to go, like to become big, you know, forgetting to the main stage.

I think, well, look, when we first moved this thing to Miller Outdoor Theater, it was different, right, there was one big stage. So we had to make the decision what are we gonna do about the radio show because the radio show is a big part of the drafts for In fact, that's the shot that everybody wanted to get the reaction. You remember, you know, all the cameras would line up around us because the draft party was around West Club and then we moved to the first level concourse one time in the East Club.

I think, well, look, when we first moved this thing to Miller Outdoor Theater, it was different, right, there was one big stage. So we had to make the decision what are we gonna do about the radio show because the radio show is a big part of the drafts for In fact, that's the shot that everybody wanted to get the reaction. You remember, you know, all the cameras would line up around us because the draft party was around West Club and then we moved to the first level concourse one time in the East Club.

You know, I don't want to give the whole history.

You know, I don't want to give the whole history.

Here, but people would gather around the radio stage to get the pick, and all the local TV cameras would be there. Boom, I want to get the fan reaction shot. Well, and that was a tradition when we moved to Miller outdoor theater. Well, you're gonna get the shot from the stage, right, And we thought about doing the radio show on stage, but it was kind of weird because then everyone's sitting in the seats watching us just drone on. I mean, we're not droning. We're talking there all this conversation, but it's just it's a radio thing. It's more audio. And it's cool to, you know, see our fans and they get a glimpse of us and all that. But I don't know if you want to hang out there all night and watching us on a big stage right right, put on a show for the fans like during the breaks, they have all this entertainment.

Here, but people would gather around the radio stage to get the pick, and all the local TV cameras would be there. Boom, I want to get the fan reaction shot. Well, and that was a tradition when we moved to Miller outdoor theater. Well, you're gonna get the shot from the stage, right, And we thought about doing the radio show on stage, but it was kind of weird because then everyone's sitting in the seats watching us just drone on. I mean, we're not droning. We're talking there all this conversation, but it's just it's a radio thing. It's more audio. And it's cool to, you know, see our fans and they get a glimpse of us and all that. But I don't know if you want to hang out there all night and watching us on a big stage right right, put on a show for the fans like during the breaks, they have all this entertainment.

It's really cool.

It's really cool.

So we thought about just having us do the show on stage, but they won't hear us, and I thought that's stupid. Put us in another area. That way, the people want to watch us can watch us. The people want to watch the stage can watch the stage. And that's how we do it at Evenita's Houston. So it's really cool. We'll be there two weeks from tonight, Friday and Saturday. Of course we're gonna be on the air the whole draft, but we're in the Hyundai Texans radio studio, everyone asks me.

So we thought about just having us do the show on stage, but they won't hear us, and I thought that's stupid. Put us in another area. That way, the people want to watch us can watch us. The people want to watch the stage can watch the stage. And that's how we do it at Evenita's Houston. So it's really cool. We'll be there two weeks from tonight, Friday and Saturday. Of course we're gonna be on the air the whole draft, but we're in the Hyundai Texans radio studio, everyone asks me.

And for a good reason, are you going to the draft?

And for a good reason, are you going to the draft?

I get that question and you get that question two a lot. But the draft, as I've said many times, it's just shipping the podium around the country to different cities with a big crowd and the commissioner and some players.

I get that question and you get that question two a lot. But the draft, as I've said many times, it's just shipping the podium around the country to different cities with a big crowd and the commissioner and some players.

That's it. That's all it is.

That's it. That's all it is.

The draft goes on in the buildings around the league where the general managers, coaches, all their staffs are making the selections and they send in the card.

The draft goes on in the buildings around the league where the general managers, coaches, all their staffs are making the selections and they send in the card.

Right card.

Right card.

Well, when green Bay got the draft, yeah, I got this excited text from your parents, from my parents, from my mom.

Well, when green Bay got the draft, yeah, I got this excited text from your parents, from my parents, from my mom.

Oh my gosh, the draft is coming to Green Bay. This is great.

Oh my gosh, the draft is coming to Green Bay. This is great.

We'll see, I said, Mom, How many years have you even listening to the draft? In fact, I did the math today. I was like, man, I've done seventeen draft shows. No, this will be my This will be my seventeenth. No about done seventeen with us?

We'll see, I said, Mom, How many years have you even listening to the draft? In fact, I did the math today. I was like, man, I've done seventeen draft shows. No, this will be my This will be my seventeenth. No about done seventeen with us?

Yeah? Well no, just in total, because I started two thousand and eight.

Yeah? Well no, just in total, because I started two thousand and eight.

Dwayne Brown was my first one, and so I was like, Mom, when have I ever gone out of town to do the draft? I do the draft here because we do the draft here. So she started giving me like everything that's going on in Green Bay. She said, people are airbnbing their places up in Green Bay and oh yeah.

Dwayne Brown was my first one, and so I was like, Mom, when have I ever gone out of town to do the draft? I do the draft here because we do the draft here. So she started giving me like everything that's going on in Green Bay. She said, people are airbnbing their places up in Green Bay and oh yeah.

Twenty twenty five thousand dollars for the week. I've heard.

Twenty twenty five thousand dollars for the week. I've heard.

I've heard because it's a friend of mine roof at where I work out. He doesn't play basketball, but we see each other in the locker room. He's a huge Packer fan, goes up for a lot of games.

I've heard because it's a friend of mine roof at where I work out. He doesn't play basketball, but we see each other in the locker room. He's a huge Packer fan, goes up for a lot of games.

He said.

He said.

I tried to get there, but there's no way you cannot get, not a chance. Every hotel room with everything whatever is airbnbs are like through the roof. Yeah, I mean through the roof. It's it's incredible. And I've seen the layout and we've been to Lambeau a few times. The layout looks awesome. I'll bet it does. But when you start getting everybody going through those those little streets, those little streets, yeah, no, it's the.

I tried to get there, but there's no way you cannot get, not a chance. Every hotel room with everything whatever is airbnbs are like through the roof. Yeah, I mean through the roof. It's it's incredible. And I've seen the layout and we've been to Lambeau a few times. The layout looks awesome. I'll bet it does. But when you start getting everybody going through those those little streets, those little streets, yeah, no, it's the.

Green Bays brace. And I've told this to people.

Green Bays brace. And I've told this to people.

I think it's almost better to go almost better to go there than the Pro Football Hall of Fame, because it's right, the Packer Hall of Fame is the history of the league. I mean, you're getting a big slice of it, and an NFL team actually plays there, you know, So there's something about that. Now, there's nothing like your own guy getting in, like Andre Johnson for right last year. But if you talk to Bears fans, a Bear gets into the Hall of Fame every two three years, it feels like we've been here a lot, you know. For US Texans, this was monumental and the next one will be as well. Anyway, let's do who's better? All right, let's go here. We go in no particular order. Better pick Johnny for the Texans, A Mecca Abuka or I'm gonna go with another alignment, Graysabel Greysabel or a Mecca Abuka. I'm not gonna take your boy Booker here because I know you'd probably say Booker over Abuca.

I think it's almost better to go almost better to go there than the Pro Football Hall of Fame, because it's right, the Packer Hall of Fame is the history of the league. I mean, you're getting a big slice of it, and an NFL team actually plays there, you know, So there's something about that. Now, there's nothing like your own guy getting in, like Andre Johnson for right last year. But if you talk to Bears fans, a Bear gets into the Hall of Fame every two three years, it feels like we've been here a lot, you know. For US Texans, this was monumental and the next one will be as well. Anyway, let's do who's better? All right, let's go here. We go in no particular order. Better pick Johnny for the Texans, A Mecca Abuka or I'm gonna go with another alignment, Graysabel Greysabel or a Mecca Abuka. I'm not gonna take your boy Booker here because I know you'd probably say Booker over Abuca.

But to Booker over both, I've got Booker. Oh man.

But to Booker over both, I've got Booker. Oh man.

I'm trying to remember where I had Booker in my Harris one hundred. I'm a big fan of Booker. In fact, I was actually studying him this morning watching the South Carolina game because South Carolina has got some dudes on their front and so I wanted to get kind of a look at that. So I'm a bigger Booker fan than probably a lot of people. I Booker was the guy that I kind of earmarked a long time ago as the number one guard.

I'm trying to remember where I had Booker in my Harris one hundred. I'm a big fan of Booker. In fact, I was actually studying him this morning watching the South Carolina game because South Carolina has got some dudes on their front and so I wanted to get kind of a look at that. So I'm a bigger Booker fan than probably a lot of people. I Booker was the guy that I kind of earmarked a long time ago as the number one guard.

I like him as the number one guard.

I like him as the number one guard.

That's where I'm going with him in my Harris one hundred Footballtaker dot Com. Come check it out. I've got Booker at number twenty five. Now I've got a Buka a couple picks ahead. So by my numbers, I probably would take a Buka. But I think you can flip a coin on a Buka and Booker and you'd be You'd.

That's where I'm going with him in my Harris one hundred Footballtaker dot Com. Come check it out. I've got Booker at number twenty five. Now I've got a Buka a couple picks ahead. So by my numbers, I probably would take a Buka. But I think you can flip a coin on a Buka and Booker and you'd be You'd.

Be Okay or Booker.

Be Okay or Booker.

I would a Mecca, a Mecca, Buka and Booker, I could flip a coin, I think I would take either one of them over Zabel.

I would a Mecca, a Mecca, Buka and Booker, I could flip a coin, I think I would take either one of them over Zabel.

Okay. Now I like Zabel. I like him a lot because I think Zabel has got He's.

Okay. Now I like Zabel. I like him a lot because I think Zabel has got He's.

Got toughness, he's got grit.

Got toughness, he's got grit.

He's very athletic and.

He's very athletic and.

Almost a thirty seven inch vertical lead as a guy that played tackle in college.

Almost a thirty seven inch vertical lead as a guy that played tackle in college.

Elson plays some guard, but his techniques kind of all over the place.

Elson plays some guard, but his techniques kind of all over the place.

But at the Senior Bowl, what I liked a lot about him was how he transitioned to guard and didn't get overwhelmed at all. In fact, it looked like he had been playing guard for a long time. So I've got Zabel a little bit further down the Harrison one hundred. But I understand why Zabel makes a lot of sense. I mean he's played some tackle. I mean, shoot, if you got a pinch, you can move him out to tackle. The Colts have used Braiden Smith a tackle, and everybody thought he was going to be a guard too.

But at the Senior Bowl, what I liked a lot about him was how he transitioned to guard and didn't get overwhelmed at all. In fact, it looked like he had been playing guard for a long time. So I've got Zabel a little bit further down the Harrison one hundred. But I understand why Zabel makes a lot of sense. I mean he's played some tackle. I mean, shoot, if you got a pinch, you can move him out to tackle. The Colts have used Braiden Smith a tackle, and everybody thought he was going to be a guard too.

By the way, did you see that story about Braden Smith. I felt for him. I did too.

By the way, did you see that story about Braden Smith. I felt for him. I did too.

My heart goes out to him going through that. But our football perspective, Braiden Smith was going to be a guard. The Colts have yet to play him a day at guard. He stayed at tackle, So maybe he's able stays at tackle. I don't know, but I do think guard center is probably his best fit. But I would take a Buka Booker than's Abel. Okay, because I wanted to ask you it this way.

My heart goes out to him going through that. But our football perspective, Braiden Smith was going to be a guard. The Colts have yet to play him a day at guard. He stayed at tackle, So maybe he's able stays at tackle. I don't know, but I do think guard center is probably his best fit. But I would take a Buka Booker than's Abel. Okay, because I wanted to ask you it this way.

Are you going to get that great offensive lineman that you seek later on and later on could be on the second round to trade up, or do you feel better about I'm going to get a good receiver later on, meaning second round or beyond.

Are you going to get that great offensive lineman that you seek later on and later on could be on the second round to trade up, or do you feel better about I'm going to get a good receiver later on, meaning second round or beyond.

And I gotta take Booker right here.

And I gotta take Booker right here.

If you have the option at both, that's a real difficult call right there. Probably a subject for a longer segment.

If you have the option at both, that's a real difficult call right there. Probably a subject for a longer segment.

So I kind of have all these scenarios going in my head, and I have said, look, wide receiver eight nine ten is better than interior offensive lineman eight nine ten.

So I kind of have all these scenarios going in my head, and I have said, look, wide receiver eight nine ten is better than interior offensive lineman eight nine ten.

So would it behoove me to take Booker?

So would it behoove me to take Booker?

And then Kyle Williams from Washington State, who I love has been one of my favorites for a while. I love Kyle Williams, like that would be a great offensive lineman wide.

And then Kyle Williams from Washington State, who I love has been one of my favorites for a while. I love Kyle Williams, like that would be a great offensive lineman wide.

Receiver, Like I like that.

Receiver, Like I like that.

If I take Abuka in the first, then what offensive lineman am.

If I take Abuka in the first, then what offensive lineman am.

I taking at fifty eight?

I taking at fifty eight?

Because because more than likely Jnava Jackson Sable Booker throw off the board. So and all of a sudden, I've gone to inter your offensive lineman four five whoo man. And so I do think from that perspective, I probably feel better about getting my lineman there and then getting a very capable wide receiver at that second round. Because you've got the two IRI State guys in Jalen Knowle and Jayden Higgins, You've got Kyle Williams, you got Savian Williams from TCU, Who's an absolute dude. This guy Wow six three two twenty seven ran four to four and he had fifty one carries as a running back last year at TCU.

Because because more than likely Jnava Jackson Sable Booker throw off the board. So and all of a sudden, I've gone to inter your offensive lineman four five whoo man. And so I do think from that perspective, I probably feel better about getting my lineman there and then getting a very capable wide receiver at that second round. Because you've got the two IRI State guys in Jalen Knowle and Jayden Higgins, You've got Kyle Williams, you got Savian Williams from TCU, Who's an absolute dude. This guy Wow six three two twenty seven ran four to four and he had fifty one carries as a running back last year at TCU.

This is interesting for me. I'm starting to root for Booker being there. I like a booka Yeah, I'm starting to root for Booker being there and Booker being a Texan. So I don't want to fall in love with anybody pre draft because this is just stupid because it never works that well, not never, but it seldom works out the way you think it should.

This is interesting for me. I'm starting to root for Booker being there. I like a booka Yeah, I'm starting to root for Booker being there and Booker being a Texan. So I don't want to fall in love with anybody pre draft because this is just stupid because it never works that well, not never, but it seldom works out the way you think it should.

Well, remember yesterday I said the two Vonte mc no matter what's to me? Yeah, they are Tyler Booker and Matthew Golden. Okay, Like if one of those.

Well, remember yesterday I said the two Vonte mc no matter what's to me? Yeah, they are Tyler Booker and Matthew Golden. Okay, Like if one of those.