The boys talk about the one trait all good leaders have, and Jonnie comes up with the perfect Christmas sermon series, & John talks about attractional elements of church, for better or worse. Plus, a frozen car horn ruins Jonnie’s night, and the guys give tips on how NOT to handle a gas fire.

Also, a conversation on optimism, and whether a negative person can change their outlook.

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by The Flu™️😷 : "Say it AND spray it!"