John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years.

Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Books: "Just like an audiobook, but with the captions on."

 

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John takes an "L" when he issues a snarky retraction about typewriters and brags about his ability to worry. Meanwhile, Jonnie learns a troubling fact about pillows and hopes he'll be a new man in 7 years.
Plus, a conversation about how grace goes against our urge to achieve approval.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Books: "Just like an audiobook, but with the captions on."
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FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com
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Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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Retractions, Dust Mites, and Grace

John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.

Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by A Box of Old Cables in Your Garage: "Every Man Has One… and Every Man is Afraid to Throw It Out”

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John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.
Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by A Box of Old Cables in Your Garage: "Every Man Has One&hellip; and Every Man is Afraid to Throw It Out&rdquo;
FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
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Best Of 2026 | Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls

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John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House

Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "Like a casino, but without the free drinks!"

John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House
Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "Like a casino, but without the free drinks!"

Best Of 2026 | Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships

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John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.

Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt."

FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com

FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com

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John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.
Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com
WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

Best Of 2026 | Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy

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Retractions, Dust Mites, and Grace

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