John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.

Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.

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John has specific instructions for his wife when he dies, and reveals his obsession with vice grip pliers. Meanwhile, Jonnie ponders the real villain of the Titanic movie and tells the strange story of how government-imported camels in the 1800's led to ghost sightings in Arizona.
Plus, a conversation about contemplation, and the power our thoughts have over the direction of our lives.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by A Box of Old Cables in Your Garage: "Every Man Has One&hellip; and Every Man is Afraid to Throw It Out&rdquo;
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Best Of 2026 | Ghost Camels, Arranged Marriages, and Dyed Souls

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John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House

Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.

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John teaches us about the history of candy and ponders growing a skullet. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a senior moment at the movie theater and tries to find out why Betty Ford danced on a table at the White House
Plus, a conversation about how difficulties and trials tend to deepen our relationships.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by The Stock Market: "Like a casino, but without the free drinks!"

Best Of 2026 | Movie Theaters, Magic Tricks, and Hardships

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John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.

Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt."

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John ponders whether anyone "hate listens" to the show and makes sermon illustrations out of old cartoons. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us why the first cell phone call was used to troll a competitor and what he learned from Jim Carrey about being a comedian.
Plus, a conversation about human nature, humility, and why "Main Character Energy" isn't the flex you think it is.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Gatorade: "When you want some fruit punch, but also a pound of salt."
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Best Of 2026 | Roadrunner Rules, Bruce Almighty, and Main Character Energy

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John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.

Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like oranges, try their bitter, overweight cousin!"

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John gets secret messages in his ear during worship and ponders whether we need merch. Meanwhile, Jonnie gets interviewed by an 80's comedy icon and tells us the demographic breakdown of his fanbase.
Plus, a conversation about reactionaryism, revolution, and choosing hope over fear.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Grapefruit: "If you like oranges, try their bitter, overweight cousin!"
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
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Best Of 2026 | Secret Microphones, Escalators, and Reactionaryism

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John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.

Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Restaurant To-Go Boxes: "Let the other half of your meal rot in your very own fridge!"

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John ponders how many pics of his kid is too many and vigorously defends coconut. Meanwhile, Jonnie reveals what all rock band photos have in common and finds out the terrible original name for the Girl Scouts.
Plus, a conversation about The Sermon on the Mount and why it's needed now more than ever.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Restaurant To-Go Boxes: "Let the other half of your meal rot in your very own fridge!"
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Best of 2026 | Old Technology, Deathbed Confessions, and Transactional Love

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John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.

Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.” 

 

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John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.
Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.&rdquo;&nbsp;
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Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors

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John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.

Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.

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John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.
Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility&mdash;and why a clear path may not always be the best one.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by French Fries: "Delicious for exactly five minutes. Then, completely inedible."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
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Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty

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A Conversation on Healthy Self Awareness

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel. 

Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.

John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World 

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"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren&rsquo;t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn&rsquo;t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.&nbsp;
Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.
John mentions: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Your-Number-Christ-Centered-ebook/dp/B09N8XC2PV">More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World&nbsp;</a>
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter."
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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?

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The Role of Gratitude

"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety. 

Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag. 

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"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s&hellip; so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.&nbsp;
Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag.&nbsp;
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cellphone Flashlights: "If you're over 40, yours is probably on and you don't even know it."
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Best of 2026 | How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)

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John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.

Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.

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John can't sleep unless there&rsquo;s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.
Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.&rdquo;
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Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things

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Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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