John shouts at the clouds about the return of a certain hairstyle and tries to come up with photoshoot poses that aren’t awkward. Meanwhile, Jonnie accidentally steals someone else’s luggage on a road trip and tells the story of the world’s foremost school for department store Santas. 

Plus, a conversation about honor culture and the fine line between healthy and toxic when it comes to memorializing flawed people. 

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John shouts at the clouds about the return of a certain hairstyle and tries to come up with photoshoot poses that aren’t awkward. Meanwhile, Jonnie accidentally steals someone else’s luggage on a road trip and tells the story of the world’s foremost school for department store Santas. 
Plus, a conversation about honor culture and the fine line between healthy and toxic when it comes to memorializing flawed people. 
Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by The Snooze Button: “It’s the best sleep you will ever have, right before you lose your job.”
 
Want this episode AD-FREE?: https://www.patreon.com/talkaboutthat 
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FOLLOW John Driver: <a href="https://johndriver.com/">https://johndriver.com</a>
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Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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Overthinking, Mullets, and Honor Culture

John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.

Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.” 

 

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John reads a listener email and wishes we could be a zany Morning Zoo Radio Show. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an important retraction from last week (because he is stupid) and tells us about some wild wedding proposals on Leap Day in 13th Century Scotland.
Plus, a conversation about neighbors, enemies, and America's addiction to grievance.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Driving Directions From Old People: "Less Accurate Than GPS, But Also Way More Condescending.&rdquo;&nbsp;
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FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
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Best Of 2026 | Detachable Faces, Red Carnations, and Neighbors

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John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.

Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility—and why a clear path may not always be the best one.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by French Fries: "Delicious for exactly five minutes. Then, completely inedible."

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John cleans out his office and gets mad at his younger self while listening to some old tapes. Meanwhile, Jonnie tells us the history of the windshield wiper and the story of a man whose own hanging could not stop him from roasting the grammar of his captors.
Plus, a conversation about certainty and humility&mdash;and why a clear path may not always be the best one.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by French Fries: "Delicious for exactly five minutes. Then, completely inedible."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com
WATCH/SUBSCRIBE on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwjExy_jWIdNvGd28XgF2Dg

Best of 2026 | Memory Lanes, Grammar Police, and Certainty

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A Conversation on Healthy Self Awareness

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel. 

Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.

John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World 

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter."

FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com

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"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren&rsquo;t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn&rsquo;t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.&nbsp;
Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.
John mentions: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Your-Number-Christ-Centered-ebook/dp/B09N8XC2PV">More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World&nbsp;</a>
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
LISTEN, SUBSCRIBE, SEND MESSAGE, OR SUPPORT at http://talkaboutthatpodcast.com
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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?

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Overthinking, Mullets, and Honor Culture

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