John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a Maypole dance against his Mom’s wishes. 

Plus, a conversation about dopamine addiction and the urge to oversimplify problems that need more nuance.

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John critiques the Big Mac and tries to be productive, but only if he can track it on his phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a decade-old video go viral and does a Maypole dance against his Mom&rsquo;s wishes.&nbsp;
Plus, a conversation about dopamine addiction and the urge to oversimplify problems that need more nuance.
Today&rsquo;s Episode is NOT sponsored by &ldquo;Meaty Okra: The Vegetable that tastes like beef. From the makers of Tofurkey. Meaty Okra: It&rsquo;s Just Okay&rdquo;
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
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Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

Two quirky and cerebral creatives talk it out as writer and former History teacher, John Driver, goes toe-to-toe with best friend and comedian, Jonnie W., in hilariously real and genuinely insightful conversations about life, history, current culture, faith—and everything in between.

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Dopamine, Extra Bread, and Complexity

A Conversation on Healthy Self Awareness

"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren’t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn’t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel. 

Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.

John mentions: More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World 

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter."

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"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life, and you will call it fate." - Carl Jung. Self-awareness is a double-edged sword. Too much of it and you can become an introspective navel gazer. But at the same time, as John Calvin said, "without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God." In this episode, John and Jonnie talk about what healthy self-awareness looks like versus unhealthy navel-gazing. While we aren&rsquo;t able to control everything that happens to us, we are given some agency in some aspects of life - and good therapy and healthy self-awareness can help us see the difference. And this isn&rsquo;t just humanism - understanding yourself is part of understanding the gospel.&nbsp;
Plus, John gets a fancy new watch and helps Jonnie confront a scammer on the phone. Meanwhile, Jonnie writes a new jingle for a prescription drug and takes credit for a friend's Grammy nomination.
John mentions: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Your-Number-Christ-Centered-ebook/dp/B09N8XC2PV">More Than Your Number: A Christ-Centered Enneagram Approach to Becoming AWARE of Your Internal World&nbsp;</a>
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Duvets: "For people who love their comforter, but only if it's wadded up inside of another comforter."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: https://jonniew.com
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Best Of 2026 | Healthy Self-Awareness vs Unhealthy Navel-Gazing: What’s the Difference?

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The Role of Gratitude

"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s… so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety. 

Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag. 

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cellphone Flashlights: "If you're over 40, yours is probably on and you don't even know it."

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"He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears." - Michel de Montaigne. This guy said that in the 1500s&hellip; so anxiety has been around for a while. In this episode of Talk About That, we talk about fear and worry - is there a way to get better at worry? Can we worry less in 2025? Is that a resolution we can keep? Listen in to our conversation about gratitude and actively looking for the good in the world as an antidote for anxiety.&nbsp;
Plus, John thinks he worries better than you do and finds a magical hat in the strangest place. Meanwhile, Jonnie has an idea to bring folks back to the movie theatre, and tells us how the US almost got a pinstriped flag.&nbsp;
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Cellphone Flashlights: "If you're over 40, yours is probably on and you don't even know it."
FOLLOW Jonnie W.: <a href="https://jonniew.com">https://jonniew.com</a>
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Best of 2026 | How Gratitude Can Quiet Your Anxiety (Plus Reclaimed Beanies & Going to Movies)

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John can't sleep unless there’s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.

Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.

Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.”

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John can't sleep unless there&rsquo;s noise and tries to remember math so he can help with his daughter's homework. Meanwhile, Jonnie almost has a heat stroke at a stranger's house in Phoenix and reveals what the "I've fallen and can't get up" lady was paid for her iconic commercial performance.
Plus, a conversation about childlike wonder, and fighting the tendency to project our own cynicism onto God.
Today's episode is NOT sponsored by Carrot Cake: "We found a way to make vegetables 3,000 calories per serving.&rdquo;
FOLLOW Jonnie W: https://jonniew.com
FOLLOW John Driver: https://johndriver.com
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Thermostat Rules, Banned Scooters, and Childish Things

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Dopamine, Extra Bread, and Complexity

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