John tells us what NOT to say in a fight with your wife and that we basically drink orange juice for breakfast because of a government contract during World War II. Meanwhile, Jonnie has a dumb idea for church drum cages and has a conflicted relationship with his team’s colors. 

Plus, a conversation about people doing good while working in a flawed system and why changing your mind can lead to changing your life. 

Today’s episode is NOT sponsored by User Agreements: “Just check the box, we know you didn’t read it.”

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