From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. It is Thursday. We are coming to you amid a crazy, crazy day. Our thoughts are with our friends, family, and fellow conspiracy realists out in Brooklyn and New York City. Please stay safe, folks will will stay tuned like the rest of the world for updates as they come. And also, as mentioned by a couple of listeners already, today marks the passing of comedy legend Gilbert Godfried. He is on record as having one of the best versions of the Aristocrats and uh he was a very very nice guy. Wow. That is literally news to me, as the first time I've heard that. I think it's it's in the it's in the movie, I believe, or the documentary. There didn't. Oh yeah, I'm sorry he did. Yeah, I did shut out just before getting here as well. I will also always remember him for his amazing, uh kind of daytime television eight hundred number product commercial for Shoot Deny. Because putting on your shoes as hard, you need help with that sometimes. So Shoot Deny has got you covered. And so I'd like to start off by saying thanks to Dennis over on Here's where He Gets Crazy. Dennis said, message to the guys and super producers, Gilbert Godfried has passed away. I understand you guys make references to him. Hopefully you can do a out out to him in the news of the week. You guys usually do well. This is listener mail. But you know, at this point the show is kind of a family and uh pure fans of Gilbert Godfried, like we are. We hope that you can take a moment to look back on the awesome work he's done. I know that's a little bit of a downer to start off today. We have we have not all downers. We do have some non down stuff today from your fellow conspiracy realists. We're gonna hear a little bit about marijuana and the world of dreams Slumberland will go a little bit nemo with it. We're going to hear just one follow up on the Body Broker episode and want to thank everybody reached out for that, and then we're going to talk a little bit more about ways to prepare yourself in these tragic events or before these tragic events occur. And then maybe we we open with something completely different. Uh, No, we gotta We got at a letter about phishing scams and something that is in the notes all caps as puppy fraud. Puppy fraud indeed not directly related to the subject of email, but adjacent. Uh. And this email comes from Colonel Buffington. Um. And Colonel Buffington goes on to say hello again, friends, because the Colonel has written to us several times in the past, feel free to use my name as Colonel Buffington if needed, because that's the way I hear this email being read in my mind. UM, I am attaching a ton of screenshots of friends posting on Facebook about the influx of scam phishing texts they have been getting. Both my husband and I have been getting multitude of them over the past few weeks, and it seems like it just started one day and didn't stop. We thought maybe our numbers had been sold somewhere, But then we started talking to friends and seeing other friends post about it on Facebook, with others agreeing, UM, it's kind of a concerning trend, and we wonder if maybe some big company got hacked or something which is causing the influx of texts. I get one or two every other day when I never got any before. I've also seen it posted in some of my wider spread Facebook groups, so this has to be widespread. Wondering if any of you have experienced this or have any theories on what could be happening. See screen shots attached and then Um the Colonel attached several screenshots of these conversations with the people on various Facebook groups, just kind of remarking on how out of control this has gotten. And honestly, UM, I don't have a ton of of incredibly you know, laser focus theories on where this is coming from. UM, I know that, you know, during the pandemic, a lot of phishing scams really started to take off via email and telephone. Um because of you know, the idea of people being isolated and a lot of older folks that maybe arnist, tech savvy kind of being targeted, and we'll get to puppy fraud in a little bit, but um, it is something that you really just kind of have to educate yourself about. And if you're getting a call or any correspondence from some one purporting to be from like your bank or from an organization and as requesting you know, any kind of you know, identifying information like a pin number, you know, even an address, something that could be added to you know, a third party kind of sign on or authenticating kind of request. Sometimes they just need a little bit of information to complete those um questionnaires and then get into your stuff. So it's always be wary of anyone purporting to be you know, some organization like that reaching out to you, because that just isn't how that happens. Uh, you know how hard it is to get a human being on the phone when you want to call the bank or you have some grievance with like a subscription or service, like, they're never gonna come to you to try to make things convenient. So we can always just depend on the fact that these companies that we rely on are never going to be um working in our best interest or at least in terms of like convenience, So if it seems like they are probably too good to be true. But I have been noticing a good bit of of text phishing type situations that have been a little more um kind of tricksy. Like I've been getting a lot of wrong number texts that that are like clearly kind of like say hey, nice seeing you the other nights, blah blah blah blah, and then I just usually respond wrong number. But I've noticed a couple of times that it's happened. Someone will send a picture back, like a like a like a cute girl or something like that and say you don't remember me or something, li'sten a picture, and I'll be like, oh nope, sorry, wrong number, And then there will be an attempt to start a conversation, like if this was you, you'd be a little embarrassed, right, You'll be, oh, so sorry, that's so embarrassing I sent you a selfie to your total stranger. But instead of just like dropping it, never hearing from this person again, all of a sudden, there are these kind of bought like responses that are coming at me, trying to get me to engage. What do you guys think of that. Do you think that's am I? Am I being paranoid? Or does that sound super fishy? Yes, and points for the wordplay there. It is superfichy. They have proliferated both in terms of text and in terms of phone calls. As you're aware, Colonel Buffington's, the explanations for this proliferation are multiple. Honestly, whenever there's an economic downturn, scams will proliferate, sometimes because people feel like it's the best way they can try to make some money. But also you may experience an uptick in scams based on your own personal activity or events in your life, events that you cannot help but have out there is public information. For instance, this is something that that bothers me. I don't think it's super helpful all the time to like talk about my own stuff, but this example is salient. Here. Um, when my mother passed, I and ever since you passed, I have routinely been receiving various messages UH addressed to her and typically UH. You know that anybody has been in that situation, you can understand how that might be upsetting to a lot of people, but typically the best thing to do is not to respond directly to spam text or spam calls. In this day and age, you really do need to treat your personal information as though it is cash, because to a lot of data brokers it is there. There wasn't for a long time, and it's still around. There was something called the Congressional do Not Call List, and you can now it would seem you can put yourself on that, but yeah, it lost its teeth, as I'll say, it is different, um, different iterations of Congress and different administrations realized they could make some money, right, and they got along pretty famously with lobbyists who are like, but what are phones for if not to call people? Let's get rid of this do not call list. Dude. I got on a call list as soon as I heard about it, and it really did work for a time, and it was so great. Year and a half or two. Well remember that time where like there was this illusion of privacy with cell phones. You know, it's like, well, of course landlines are fair game in the same way that like, yeah, you're gonna get junk mail in your in your mailbox because that information is out there. You know, it's in the phone book, but there's no phone book for cell phones, right, I mean, there are ways of getting people's cell phone numbers, obviously usually have to pay a little something. But there was this period of this blissful time, you know, when it was like, no, it's my cell phone. I'm safe, I'm protected in the same way I used to be like, oh, Mac could never get a virus, right, But that time is clearly past two. But um yeah, Like, I mean, my girlfriend the other day got a text that was actually had pornography in it. It had an image and it appeared to kind of be like underage pornography, which is problematic on a whole another level because then it's like, wait, now I have this on my phone, Like I'm like palp, I'm like culpable in this in this exchange, and you just delete it and block the number, obviously, but do you what do you do in these situations? Ben or in mad do you guys know of any recourse? Obviously that do not call list is completely useless now, But what if you're getting, you know, these messages and it clearly is someone trying to perpetrate a mass fraud. I mean, there's there's not much of a way to fight against it. And to even track it because you can just use and these groups that are doing this or individuals that are doing this are using voide numbers, fake numbers, you know, random generators, the things that will just mask them. They're probably using VPNs and other things to mask where they actually are the amount of investigation you'd have to do to track an individual down who's doing this is probably not worth it to law enforcement, I imagine, right, Yeah, you're essentially you're you can blow individual numbers. But to your point, Matt, you are playing a game of whack a mole at that you know at that juncture, there are ways to turn off what are called spam messages, but also the technology for spoofing something such that it doesn't count as a spam message is out there, and it's it's pretty easy to access. From what I understand, I would say, you know, it depends on how much time you have, what your idea of fun is, and what you consider your level of pettiness to be. Uh. There are great ways to troll the trollers, Like if you look at the old scams that we're coming out of Nigeria, there was one guy, I think he had a whole website of just examples of him stringing scammers along via email. We would say, okay, we'll prove to me who you are, get a picture, and then he would get them do crazy stuff like get tattoos or read Harry Potter or something like that, so you can troll people back. I am all about the culture jamming. So again, it's all a matter of how much fun you want to have with this, But we can't legally advise you to do stuff. The only thing we can legally say the best thing to do is to ignore it and perhaps also especially with your loved ones if they're not super tech savvy, to make sure that they do not participate or engage with with those accounts. And it can be tricky, you know, because people are attached to our phones. It's rare for people to memorize a phone number nowadays. Right when I said that, everybody listening just remembered, like the last couple of numbers. They actually know, it's it's your the last ones before cell phones, maybe a family member's phone number, maybe weirdly enough, and excess phone number or something like that. But because we don't know these numbers, because we rely on this technology to have that memory function that our brain used to have. We can easily get befuddled, we can get taken in, especially if someone said sounds like they know you. You know, like the three of us meet a ton of people. I'm in contact with people all over the place from all walks of life, and so sometimes like if I get a text and it says, hey, this is Mike, then I don't know, I know like seventy eight Mikes probably at some point. So you have to get a little more proof. But then to do that you have to ask them which Mike. That's right? And you know it used to be too Now nowadays, you know, the spoofing is so good that the numbers will it's almost like they target people in certain areas with numbers that are from that area, so it looks more likely to be legitimate. Uh. You know, Apple phones or iPhones and um and androids do have ways of like identifying suspicious numbers and saying spam risk that you'll usually see that and I love you don't want to answer those, yeah, for sure. But we're talking mainly about the text thing here, because the text thing is different because it's gonna end up on your phone, it's not necessarily going to be rejected unless you've blocked that number. Um, and they're getting a little bit more elaborate. I did find on Consumer dot FTC dot gov there's a section on how to report spam text messages, and I wasn't aware of this. You can copy the message and forward it to seven seven to six spam um. And then there's also a form of on the FTC website at report Fraud dot FTC dot gov, which will allow you to to fill out a little bit more robust kind of questionnaires to you know the details of it. But yeah, it's a little bit like you know, a candle in the wind to not be cr um. It's wackable. At least there's something I mean to me the one of the funniest, funniest things. This hasn't happened to me personally because of various precautions they've taken. But it's not uncommon now for people to receive a text from their own number. He hasn't heard about this, right from the future texting to warn that there's texting texting to warn you about hot singles in your area. Yeah, if you go to the Verge dot com, you can see an excellent article by Chris Welch about this, and this is very recent. Uh. It explains more of that phenomenon. So that's worth a read too if you're interested. Oh, I want to give you an example of that exact thing. You guys. Yeah, just a couple of days ago, I got a message from myself and I was very confused, and it says free message. Your bill is paid for March. Thanks, here's a little gift for you, and then it has a link. There's no way in hell I'm touching that link, but it sent it. It just came from my number. And I've never seen anything like that before. So I'm glad Ben that you at least found an example of it occurring. H. You said, the Verge has a report on that. It's pretty widespread. Actually, it's SMS fishing or smishing could be our worst data. And just to wrap it up, we promised puppy fraud UM. And there's another Verge article that came out early this month on April eleven by McKenna Kelly uh titled Google sues scammer for puppy fraud, and it refers to a lawsuit that Google is um pursuing against a Cameroonian citizen named Nisha Noel close to my heart there um who apparently was using Google voice phone numbers and Gmail accounts to pretend to sell pure bred bassett hounds online um and was requesting payment in electronic gift cards, which should be a big old red flag right there. But unfortunately, this particular scam was in fact targeting elderly shut ends you know, um, who during the height of the pandemic would not have been able to see anybody and probably weren't super tech savvy even comfortable doing zoom or like FaceTime, and probably in a lot of ways had to communicate with their loved one through like a letter hole or like you know, the or uh. And I can imagine that would have getten gotten very very isolating and depressing. Uh. And so this person, you know, um, obviously a pretty awful person, was capitalizing on that and trying to sell these the promise of these uh, these pure bred bassett hound puppies, using customer testimonials and and photos cute photos of the pups uh and actually was pretty successful in selling quite a handful of them and making some money. Not to mention, there was one case they mentioned after this, uh poor victims sent the gift cards in payment um seven dollars to be precise. Uh Noel or Noel continued to uh string along this individual, saying, oh, well, now we need the puppy delivery company needs an extra fifteen hundred bucks. Don't believe they ship puppies in the mail. Um, just for the record and anyway, just absolutely brazen. So yeah, and then of course the puppy never arrived. So that's that's um, that's puppy puppy scamming right there. UM. And it's not the same as that's ms this this mission, um, but it definitely you know, capitalize on a lot of the same kind of goodwill, of familiarity and like wanting to like reach out and help somebody and like you know, be a listening ear or like a friendly voice when someone's kind of feeling alone and isolated. So all this stuff is super gross and disproportionately kind of targets uh, the less tech savvy among us, who unfortunately oftentimes are in in older generations. So there you go. So we'll move on, but first we'll take a little ad break and then we will return with more messages from you. All right, we've returned and we're going to go to a message from the Jolly Green Giant. The guys. A long time listener love the show. UM was going through some of the older episodes that I either haven't listened to or that I enjoyed listening to again, and UM, one of them that I have recently listened to was about the third eye, the prior al lobe, and I was wondering if you guys have had any anecdotal evidence with this or not. But me and my friends have discussed. UM, this obviously can't be real study as we're not qualified too. And then marijuana is not a schedule is on the schedule. One list about the effects of when you quit smoking marijuana after a point in time, how you have extremely vivid dreams, and how it seems almost as if marijuana in some way UH dampens your priortal lobe while using it heavily, but when you quit using it for a period of time, your priortal lobe kicks into heavy gear. UM. If you guys have any research into this or have hurt anybody else having similar experiences, would love to hear more about it. UM, you can feel free to use this on air, and let's go with my name as the Jolly Green Giant. Thank you Jelly. First off, excellent taste in name, my friend. Maybe it's because I'm hungry, but I am feeling this vibe. It's a good question, it really is. Because you know, just like alcohol, uh, marijuana can diminish the quality of your sleep, specifically your R E M stage where that's where you're dreaming. Right. So uh, there are reports that say a lot of people who are consider themselves regular habitual marijuana smokers or ingests of some sort uh do report they either don't dream or they don't remember their dreams. But also people who don't engage with those substances and never have may also not have an easy time remembering their dreams. The easy way to do it really is to treat it like an exercise. Keep a little dream journal and write stuff down when you wake up. Um, that's that's the best way to start, the best way to memorize. You remember your dreams rather and then old towards lucid dreaming. Lucy dreaming is super fascinating. I wish I had the discipline or the wherewithal to do it. Like I've mentioned before, I think one of my favorite artists musicians, Richard D. James aphex twin um Ned. Supposedly he's a bit of a troll, so it's hard to know if he's telling the truth or not all the way. But um one of his records, selected Ambient Works, Volume to he supposedly composed the entire thing, while in lucid Dream states just quick, let's go to the jolly Green Giant. So the concept here and I'm not I'm a little unsure, Mr Giant, Uh, if that is your real name, whether you're really referring to the parietal lobe, which is kind of the top, slightly back part of your brain, um, if you're talking about that or specifically the panel gland, because I think in the episode we focus on conspiracies around the pineal gland and function that can be either inhibited or enhanced by drug use and meditation and other things. In the concept that that penel going in, that tiny little rice shaped and sized thing is actually your third eye. This is a fascinating concept to me, and the idea that perhaps and I've never connected, the idea that weed smoking affecting your sleep may actually be affecting either your opinial gland or you know, your parietal over whatever it is in some way, uh, other than the kind of feeling you have while you are experiencing the high of marijuana, right, that that sense of connection and strangeness. Do you always hear too about like certain drugs that people take to quit smoking, Um, like I believe, well, butron or um like chantics as when they gave you crazy dreams? Uh? And I wonder if that is in any way related. And also, um, you always hear about people saying, oh, don't eat you know, spicy food before bad time, because that will make you have crazy dreams too. And then I read a quick study from Charles bay Is, a sleep medicine doctor at Sleep Disorders Center in Cleveland, saying that heightened the metabolism and temperature can lead to more brain activity, um, prompting more action during that phase that's so crucial for dreaming that you mentioned ben rapid eye movement. Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's a real thing. It's your Your natural state for most human beings is to encounter R E M sleep during your sleep cycles until DARPA finally releases the technology to free us from sleep. Uh. If DARP. If you're listening and you need to test subject, I can't volunteer my colleagues, but I am so they're Yeah, so when you when you quit ingesting marijuana in one way or another, then you are going to have higher R E M cycles. Then your your body is going to naturally resume it's normal functions. Matt. I think I know that chronic berijuana usage does have an effect on the prietal low. But I'm with you, man, I think we're I think we're talking about the penal gland in particular when we're we're thinking in terms of like third eye, etcetera, etcetera, you know, unrelated. One thing we didn't get to in that episode was the calcification of the panel glands. You guys heard about this, it's the real thing. Yeah, that was That was one of the major things. And and it's it's connected to the fluoride conspiracies, right. And if you go to web m D you can actually read an article about calcification of the panel gland. And it always sounded to me like something that was just okay, yeah, whatever, that's a that's a theory. Fluoride is going to calcify you're the inside of your brain and some little gland you get in there. Well, it is actually true in in a lot of ways, but it's also true for most parts of your body. Calcification is a thing that can occur. It's not directly related to fluoride, although fluoride can play a hand in it. Yeah, if you take a bunch of fluoride. Yeah, if you're super dosing fluoride, it could be an issue. But generally calcification comes with age. That's what you need to know, because it has to do with usage, uh, specifically parts of the brain, because there's so much blood that flows through there constantly. All the little things like calcium, like other minerals and and stuff that's in your blood gets deposited in small amounts at different times in your body, especially in your brain and in your pineal gland. So it is a thing that occurs, isn't The pineal gland, the one that was in like fear loathing in Las Vegas, is like a pure pineal gland, like of a human being. And if you do you eat it, it'll like make you trip harder than you've ever tripped in your life. Maybe a sorry, sorry, but yeah, Okay, but but is what about the pineal gland. Does it contain any hormones that that are released that would cause some sort of hallucinatory effects there? Am I just mixing my glands? It makes melotonin which people take is a sleep supplements like stuff. Yep, yep, yeah, yeah. Basically monitors when when it's time for you to sleep. Uh, it's kind of awesome. It's a little alarmed. So how much light is there, what what time of year is it? Essentially, and it can tell by the amount of light that is coming into your eyes. Generally, it relates to one of the reasons that people always say, turn off your phone or you know, put your phone in night mode or whatever. Make the lights warm and dark or as dim as you can possibly get them as you're trying to go to sleep, because in a strange way, you guys, I think it mimics like maybe the candle light or camp fire or that low amber light that we used to get humans used to get when it was nighttime. I'm interested to know how much of that is actually an evolutionary function. Okay, jumping back to what you said at the very beginning of this, right after we heard the message ben REM sleep and how marijuana kind of tamps down on that. I didn't know this was a thing. I had no idea. REM sleep within the sleep cycles one cycle LASS about ninety minutes. REM rapid eye movement sleep is where dreams occur, and you generally don't remember anything that occurs in REM sleep unless you wake up in that cycle, within the REM cycle or like right at the end of it, right as it's kind of exiting out. That's when you'll wake up and go, oh my gosh, I remember everything that just occurred. That was a crazy dream. Uh, And that's you know, when the dream journals are super handy. It's weird to me to think that this drug that is so ubiquitous right now is preventing many of us from having those intense dreams because you know, if you look at dream theory, one of the things that they do is help us, again from an evolutionary perspective and psychologically not work through and process things that we've experienced in the day. But it's like the brain is like reorging in a way, like playing back stuff that's occurred, remembering things, putting things away. Um, it's weird to think that this drug that is so helpful to so many people, is somehow preventing that which feels like a long term need that each human has to go through those rem cycles and to process things in their sleep effectively. I'm just wondering what I'm wondering what effect that's having on maybe America or the globe or just you know, younger people, people who are smoking more and more marijuana on a regular basis. Well, it's interesting too, because honestly, uh j G G if I could call you that, Honestly, there's not much science about this. And if you check out articles like the cut wire dreams go crazy when you stop smoking weed shout out to Jesse Single, uh single, you'll find that the experts don't agree. As a matter of fact, they're they're questioning the accuracy of studies that were done before there there were six studies that were acknowledged in the past their problems with some of the methodology, and they were back in the seventies. Also, I'll point out, and this is obvious to any uh any weed enthusiasts and the out today, the weed from the nineteen seventies is not the weed from It's way different. You know what, I mean, it's not your grandpa, your granddad's weedy. Yeah, so there will be UH strains are bred to have higher amounts of psychoactive substances. Right, So if if those substances do influence your sleep schedule or you know, your sleep cycles, then it would follow that a higher percentage of that stuff would have more of an effect. Right. And you know, you need to do a placebo experiment to see what happens if someone smokes real weed one day and then they smoked that fake uh wizard weed or whatever it was the next day. Did they sleep the same way? And then also, you know, how do you control for all the other variables, because sometimes when people make a big decision to quit something, like if someone says I'm gonna quit smoking weed, it often comes with other life changes, and each of those life changes may have an effect on your sleep cycle in ways that you may may not predict at first. Sure, there's certainly a lot of UH factors, Right, there's just some interesting stuff. And you go to weedlist dot org, vice dot com, Um, what was the other one here? Uh very well mined dot com and you can search for this stuff and just check out what people are saying there's a neurologist on vice that got interviewed back and I don't know or something. You just had some interesting things to say about it and the rebound effect when quitting a substance, specifically marijuana, and when you quit it in the hyper realistic dreams that come after that, which which has been self reported across the internet. You know, I think there's something to it, but you're right, then we need further study just to see what it's doing. I'd love to know, especially because of the such positivity that there is towards cannabis. And I think that's great, that's good. I just you know, like any substance, there's probably something that it's doing that maybe isn't the best. Again, like any substance, including water, you can have too much, it can be in the wrong place, and then you know, like it would be good to know, at least as humanity, especially when you're thinking about younger people. And you know, for me, I'm thinking about my son and as he gets older and like when he's trying it and like what you know, anyway, thinking like a dad right now, that's a great point. And I gotta say, I can't speak for everybody else. But who am I to judge about substances because I am guzzling coffee on a regular basis. It is cartoonish. Uh, But there there is what about you should really look into stopping that? Right Matt is about to say, this is what are you sipping on? But just just a monster? So free? Yeah, So there's there's another theory that I think I'm just thinking out loud here. Um, what if so, like, you remember your dreams more often when you wake in the midst of an r M cycle. Right, So, and people tend to, like you know, a lot of people ingest cannabis of some sort to go to bed and and sleep through the evening or sleep through the day or whenever you prefer to sleep, sold and ring Right, is it possible that perhaps that when the habitual cannabis users stop using it, they're more likely to wake up during that r M sleep and then thus more likely to remember that dream. I don't know, I'm free freestyle and maybe I mean, there are sleep studies, but you're right, some of them have been flawed. Uh, I don't know. I just want to see more. I want to learn more, and like, is it because I don't want to tackle this thing. Is in as somebody who is anti marijuana or super pro mari one. I just wanted know what effect the substance has on dreams in your brains. Well, you can use me as a guinea pig if you want, guys, but not the part that requires you to stop. So just that everybody needs to get high for science, that is open. What the way you'd have to do it is you'd have to quit for like two weeks and and keep it for science. We can do for science. I can do one week for science. Yeah, yeah, yes, and then all the people that we test whether or not that's us. We'll have to have a placebo at some point, you know what I mean. So, and it will have to do do some experimentation. But forward to the future. Forward to the future. Drugs may just save the world, or they may save some people's minds. There's a lot of fascinating research going on with psychoactive hallucinogenic substances, and I can't wait to see where where that leads. Also, hey, we're not too far off in the US from cannabis actually being decriminalized across the country. Um, it's really just a cost benefit. Calculate us by the powers that be, which makes more money, right, throwing people in prison or uh taxi legal cannabis. Question, there's no question which is more valuable to society, you know, because, uh, but it's not a matter of society most of the time. It's usually a matter of the people in charge that are standing to make the most money from that legalized slave labor that is the prison system. And not to mention, I don't want to get in a soapbox share, but somebody pointed out to me that in the United States, Uh, most people that are like in dire straits in terms of mental health, in terms of like homelessness, most of those people will get the only healthcare of their lives by being incarcerated. Yeah, so chew on that one for a minute. No, I don't want to consider that. Sorry, that is even more of a downer. This whole episode can't be a down or so, So everyone, let's do a study quite weed for a week. Just do it. Just quit for a week. You'll be fine. Quit for a week and let us know how your dreams go. What's the most intense stuff that happens? Are they really more intense? Well, let's do a case study. We do it right here, clinical trials. Yeah, I'm on boarding. Awesome, alright, Jolly Green Giant, thank you for sending us a voicemail and we'll be right back with more messages from you. And we have returned. I want to open this part with a clarification. I want to thank everybody who wrote in, uh talking about the statement I made earlier regarding e V or electric vehicles versus i c e. Internal combustion or internal combustion engine. But you know the old school vehicles. Uh, yeah, most things aren't coal powered now, and either way slice it, electric vehicles are going to be less damaging to the environment than typical fossil fuel vehicles in that regard. The real problem with electric vehicles is going to come in the rare earth metals that are needed to power them and part of their manufacturer. So thank you to everybody wrote in. We are going to have an episode on the rise of the rare earth metals. Uh disaster that's waiting to happen, you know all the corruption conspiracy that comes with it. But while we're waiting for that, let's hear from our old pal, the samurai. Uh. Samurai has been writing in for quite a while. We always enjoy getting a letter from him, and Samurai, like many of our fellow conspiracy realist, shared a personal story in reaction to our Body Broker's episode, which really, I don't know about you, guys, but that wouldn't really stuck with me. Um it was unclean. So so Samurai says, hey guys, me again as always, you have by permission to read this on the air, and you may refer to me as the Samurai. I love this episode, Bodybroker, Samurai means, but it was a little depressing, as I have lost several people to a combo of COVID and cancer in the last two and a half years. Nothing you can do about that, but it was something that needed to be discussed. I got two items for you today. One I cannot give details for I did not have her permission to do so, but in general, I had a friend of the family who lost their grandparents to COVID slash pneumonia and just heads up, folks, this is insane story. She lived a good distance away and when she was finally able to get to the hospital where her grandmother died, they could not find the body because there were no written instructions, even though they spoke to my friend on the phone about it and agreed to store the body until she got there. They had handed it off to a third party for what was listed on the paper as various utility purposes. I immediately had visions of Charlton Heston standing on a truck yelling soil its green, ex people and m and after complaining, says Samurai, they brought a body back, but it was not her grandmother. It took a week, but they finally found and returned the correct body to her. Oddly enough, it was only missing some toes. I wish I could tell you I was making this shop. She was cremated and will be interred this June. I tried to talk her into getting an attorney, if for no other reason than to draw attention to the poor handling, but she told me that she was not that kind of person. I want to pause there. That's pretty nuts, right like that. I'm not overreacting here. That seems criminal, right, They're just giving away the wrong body. Yeah, I mean that she's taken away, buddy. Well, it's for that to occur her, This person who was stored in a more temporarily I assume must not have had any kind of labeling on them. The whoever you know physically spoke to this person did not take any notes, so there's no medical record whatsoever of communication with family member. Uh. This is baffling to me that this could occur because for her body, the grandmother's body, to be unlabeled and then shipped off, that means there was another body that was unlabeled and shipped off because that person was clearly not John Doe or Jane Doe it was or maybe it was. Maybe they're all listed as Jane does you know? Uh, it makes me think about them when someone comes in and they have no family member to take care of them, perhaps someone who is without a home, or someone who passes away, you know, Um, just that doesn't have anyone. How that system kind of takes place, right if there's no idea to identify the body, then it does. We talked about that that body goes can go away for purposes of donation. Uh, but man to think that it could happen to somebody who I'm assuming had an I D was associated with wherever she was living, had an address, and was able to still get taken away as an unknown and then lost and had a support network as well. That's that's frankly, you know, that's one of the most disturbing parts because at least one body got mixed up, right, But that in this kind of situation, it's not unreasonable to assume the cockroaches rule, which is, when you see one thing wrong, there are probably many other examples that just aren't visible yet. And luckily this story has somewhat of a happy ending. But Samurai, your friend is not the first, not the only person who has had this experience, far from the only person, and something needs to be done too, seriously, clean up the industry. Um. But we didn't want to end on an entirely down note, and Samurai, I don't think you did either, So thank you for this. Uh here is the second thing he said. And I thought this would be a nice thing for us to discuss together. Samurai says, I would love it if you followed this episode Body Brokers with an episode about the good ways to enter a family member. My wife and I want to use a service like Capsula Monday, where the corps is placed in a cocoon with a sapling or seed and allowed to be nourishment for a new treat. To me, that is what should be happening. I mean, in your own way, you're reincarnating that which was once you is becoming a part of another living thing. How much better can it get? And that's that's from Samurai, But that was that was inspiring. I know we've talked a little bit about alternative methods. Uh, you know, alternatives to burial or even cremation. Is sometimes people have to seek these alternatives cause of the cost factors associated. Right, it can be tremendously um difficult to pay those expenses, especially when the death is unexpected. But there are other things you can do. And I would like to maybe just pitch some ideas to you guys, to our fellow conspiracy realists. First, the capsule of Monday thing, that sounds pretty poetic, right, that's pretty neat. Become a tree, Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah. Um, just considering that the ecosystem that comes along with a single tree, right, the number of organisms and amount of animal and plant life that gets supported through that one plant. Is that the same as a green burial? Or is it somewhat related? Not quite, but yet I would say they're related. So The green burial thing is also beautiful in its way because the body is not embalmed. It's just placed into a biodegradable container. There's excellent little monastery close to Atlanta called Our Lady of the Holy Spirit, and they are a green burial site. As a matter of fact, Mission Control and I number of years ago worked on a short documentary about this and the burial pod. Though the Capsule of Monday. I don't know how far it's spread yet as an idea, but the biodegradable urn is four and forty dollars. That doesn't count the cost of the tree. But that's a lot less than a typical funeral, and it might, you know, it might bring some peace to people to think that they're continuing in the life cycle of the earth, if you'll remember to if anyone there's six ft under fans, there's a subplot. I won't go into any spoilers, but where someone wants to bury someone naturally, you know, under a tree and all that. And it's not legal to just do it anywhere, right like, you have to have a permit to do it. It has to be in a particular approved area. You can't just go around burying unembolved bodies. Willy nilly, right, yeah, exactly. You can understand how Steve would want some regulations there. Even people who are against regulations will be like, we should have some some rules about who can put bodies where, just in general. Not to be a party pooper, but let's let's get on the same page about that. You'll also hear a green burial called recompost or human composting, but I think green burial is probably where the marketing folks landed. We talked about donating your body to science. Be very careful with that. Again, it's one of the most noble things you can do. But do a lot of homework before. One thing that startled me. You guys, it is legal to be buried at sea, your created remains or your body drop drop him in the ocean. Uh and yeah yeah, lit bin laden but hopefully consensual one. It is two to four dollars us. Wow, that's it. It seems like you would need to It seems like there would be some more fees for environmental concerns or something that's good points like, well, I mean, you know, let's maybe this is a silly question, but I mean, you know, obviously, the sea is a great way of disposing of illegitimately deceased bodies. So how do you differentiate the legit ones from the illegit ones in the event of like having to drag a seabed or something like that when looking for a disposed of corpse. It's a big tattoo on purpose exactly. Oh boy, guys, I cannot wait for burial at space. How you know that's that's that's my dream too. Man. I don't even I don't even have to be uh uh, this body doesn't even have to be dead this time around. Just put me, put me on, put me on a ship, find the path that will go the furthest into the ink without being interrupted by something, and then I'll just go just go for it. And uh there's another one, which is weird because I know we've always wanted to talk a little bit about it on Stuff that wants, you know, but it's not quite related to conspiracy. It's the concept of sky burial and and I know we've all talked about this off air, right that. Yeah, yeah, this is an old's favorite thing. Ever, I think which one it's gotta be some sarcasm. Yeah, it's when it's uh, it's in the caucus and mostly in Tibet. Uh. The it's the idea that when somebody dies, let's see, it's in Tibet, inner Mongolia as well as parts of Mongolia, Bhutan, maybe a little bit of India in the past. But it's the idea that when someone eyes, you have a funarial right where you take them up into the mountains, a highly elevated place, and you feed their body to scavenging birds, vultures. Nope, I'm good, I'm okay, So grizzly man, like I said, throw me in the trash. You know, I subscribe to that model, the Frank from Always Always Sunny in Philadelphia model. I don't particularly have any stock or any you know, preconceived ideas of the afterlife and what burial you know, method gets grants me access to set afterlife. So do what thou wilt with my course. For me, it's going to be more about the comfort of my loved ones and the folks remaining. But I say to them, throw me in the trash, or do what Johnny Depp did two Hunter S. Thompson's ashes. He also spent three million dollars on it. Apparently he fired them out of a cannon. That sounds like fun to fire. Yeah, ashes out of a can. Yeah. I don't understand either. I just know that some of Depth's finances were revealed in a lawsuit and there was a line item on there where he spent three million bucks to pay for the ceremony to fire Hunter S. Thompson's ashes out of a cannon. What about you, Matt? What are your what's your spiritual take? I want the full Egyptian like, give me the give me the works. Yeah, start building the pyramid now. Yeah. See, you know that's what I like about. Like I would approve of pyramid schemes if they were actually pyramids. If so, it's like I gotta scheme, We're gonna build a pyramid, I would be like, tell me how I can help out? So, okay, Matt once, Matt once, a pyramid? No, you want to be in the trash and of going to space. Uh. It's it's a weird way to sum it up today, but we we wanted to release I want to bring these to our to our fellow conspiracy realists because you need to know not just for yourself, but for your loved ones that there are alternatives to you know, the typical burial, if that seems financially prohibitive, or if it goes counter to the beliefs of yourself or your loved ones, there are always other ways to do this. And and Western society teaches us incorrectly not to think about death. You know, there's a great well, it's not a great book. It's very long book called The Denial of Death, which is all about fanatology, the study of death. And in that book the author posits that everything people do is really just to avoid addressing the fact that up until now, everyone who has ever born has died at some point. That might not always be the case. The first immortal maybe alive today. But you need to think about these things. And you don't necessarily need to think about them for yourself, but you need to think about it for your loved ones, for your survivors. And if you think about this, and if you can explore enough, then ultimately it may not be as frightening as as it appears. You know at first, blush. So let us know what other fascinating scenarial rights you have found throughout history or in your neck of the global woods. Let us know if it is indeed legal to male puppies. I think all three of us are kind of skeptical to be fair, and uh, what's the weirdest fishing scam or smishing scam you ever got? And are you willing to participate? It? Are incredibly unsound scientific experiment regarding marijuana use and the world of dreams. Let us know, Let us know, thanks to Colonel Buffington, thanks to Samurai, Thanks to Jolly Green Giant j G. If you want to take a page from their book, text from their phone, let's see, I hope from their pipe. Enjoying the conversation. We can't wait to have you. 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