Wind down with us as Anney gushes about sweet cinnamon rolls. No, not the food, the fanfiction tag. Samantha shares her recipe for the cinnamon roll drink and we discuss the cinnamon roll trope, Anney's love for it, and what it has to do with trauma in this classic episode.
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
Welcome to Stuff I've Never told you Production by Heart Radio, and today we are bringing back one of our very early halfy hours, the second one I ever did, which was about one of my very favorite tropes, the cinnamon roll.
Oh my goodness, that's been on your head for so like that's been on your mind?
Yeah, yes, long it has.
And I have to say, since this came out, I have started publishing fan fiction and I've just discovered all of the various terms people used to refer to this. I do talk about it in here. Samantha helped me do the early part of that because I was too scared to learn.
I was like, oh, no, one just.
And this is a naive atay, and it's kind of faded away. Now you're telling me things. I'm like, oh, I don't like this.
Listen.
I got a friend that has far surpassed me in the fan fiction world, and she is constantly telling me about some Star Wars story that I'm like, how do you know about this?
And I don't. That's funny. I don't know what's going on.
But anyway, a lot of these as fan fiction has gone more mainstream, a lot of these tropes and terms have gone more mainstream, and as I discussed recently in a Happy Hour, I saw what I believe was a misuse of cinnamon.
Roll in an article.
I disagree with how they described it. I don't disagree with some of their points, but I disagree how they described it. And this was when I was asking you about True Blood, and I had just had so many questions because I did watch that show, but I couldn't remember it very well, right and Blood, Yeah.
And I can't imagine there's anybody on that show that's a cinnamon roll.
I can't remember it well enough, but I do.
I I personally think because they were talking about the bad boy vampire having a spell on him and being good, which true, I don't think that counts as a cinnamon role because the cinmon role only works if it's genuine. If it's not genuine, it doesn't work.
So he kills somebody in his innocent stage.
Oh no, I mean, you can't explain that a way depending But I just because it was a spell, it doesn't work.
It has to be here.
And I'm pointing to our heart, y'all, just so you know, she's pointing to our Heart.
Yes, well, please enjoy this classic episode.
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to stepman. Never told you protection Heart Radio.
So it is time for another Happy Hour once again by happy coincidence, is actually Thursday.
Yes, so happy Thursday, everyone.
Happy Thursday.
We wanted to invite you to get a drink or a snack or just do something to relax with us for a little bit, as we love to share these hopefully spaces in perhaps a stressful time or day for you to take that moment whatever that means to you. Please join us because I'm actually I'm so excited, and Samantha can see, but I'm like smiling because I'm so excited to talk about this. What I chose for this Happy Hour topic which is my favorite fan fiction term that I only discovered within the past year, I think, which.
Is cinnamon roll.
Yes, yes, And so before we get into what that is, and I swear this is related to feminism and women, I promise, I promise, I promise.
Samantha knows that I love this very very much.
And as part of our watching Star Wars cocktail thing that we've done where we've created a bunch of cocktails for the original trilogy, Samantha, you created one called the Cinnamon Roll.
Actually it's Annie's Cinnamon Roll. Oh, remember it was very very specific. Did we name your segment because it's specific to your nerd loves?
Well, the working title is Annie's Nerd Corner. But as I said, I'm still workshopping.
Okay, okay.
I was just trying to say if you've came up with a new one or an actual lasting term.
But yeah, I did create something for our very beginning.
Watchings, and because it is cinnamon roll, and I for the longest time really thought you meant cinnamon roll, and every time we talk about it, I crave cinnamon rolls, and I'm very upset right now that I don't have one in my face.
But it's okay.
I did decide that I was going to do a cocktail specifically for you, because I have this love of coffee and hot chocolate mix together. Of course, this is amocha, I know. Don't don't at me. People, I know, but we're not fancy like that. So I had to create my own, which ended up being a dark coffee with a scoop of your favorite hot chocolate.
Mine is a double dark chocolate.
Oh yeah, a little dash of cinnamon obviously, because for the cinnamon roll part. Some type of dairy or non dairy ish creamer if you want. If you want to make it alcoholic cool, do your Bailey's. If not, go for your favorite creamer. I also have my sweet cream Chibboni creamer.
I really do like that.
None of these things are sponsored in the way sponsorship.
And then you of course mix it up, stir together, and then at the top, if you also want to do a dash of whiskey, you know, for any I do this for her specific you know, cinnamon roll, and then we do a swirl of whipped cream because I love some whipped cream with another dash of cinnamon top of it. And that is your any cinnamon roll and.
I love it. Samantha. You nailed it. And that is what we're sipping on right now.
I'm sipping on kind of a modified version because I don't have all those ingredients. And I'll tell you as I told Samantha, I'm a two coffee before noon gal.
I'm a two cup gal.
It's now like three here and I've had four coffees, so I feel like I am flying high right now.
Yes, your jitteriness and happiness of caffeine is quite obvious.
Thank you, And I did want to mention one time, Like, way back when I was I often talked to Samantha, who was very kind to let me indulge.
In my fandom.
I often talked about cinnamon roll and sometimes I'll just say, like, my sweet cinnamon roll randomly. One time, you did get cinnamon rolls the food so we could enjoy cinnamon.
Rolls one bite and then I ate the rust, but it was okay. I was still okay with it.
Yes, yes, so that is what we are sipping on. But let's talk about the fan fiction term. So it means someone who is too pure, too sweet, too innocent for this world or galaxy, and usually suffers for it. Almost always, in my fan fiction realm, it is almost exclusively used to refer to Luke Skywalker from the original Star Wars series. I've never seen it apply to anyone else, but my fan fiction realm is pretty narrow, so like, I can't say for sure, but he like I imagine if this was a Dictionary entry, his picture would be next to it. And it's my absolute favorite thing when I read it. And as you know, samanth I was scared to google what it meant. When I found out the definition, I was like, oh my god, this is exactly the thing.
This is what I love, and I love that.
It has a term, yes, and it also describes what I Yeah, what I write there is also I want to put in here cinnamon roll with an S.
Yeah. We went through a whole deep dive of these different versions of cinnamon rolls.
Yes, you you helped me do it because I was afraid to google it.
And that describes someone who appears to be super innocent but is actually the opposite, or maybe better put like, they appear to be a cinnamon roll with the sea, but they're not. And then there's burnt Sinemon role, who is somebody who was a cinnamon roll but thanks to some trauma, is no longer a cinnamon eral. They are burnt, and some people I could see the argument that Luke and the Last Jedi is a burnt Centamon role.
Maybe in the newer ones Yon roll right, Yeah.
I think so. I can see that.
And that's actually funnily enough, even though I would imagine most people don't know this term. That is what they didn't like about Luke in the newer ones that he is a burnt cinnamon roll, and Luke is also specifically for him. He's also interchangeably called son, sign child or puppy in a poncho, which are very related.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's one very specific scene. I have that pancho now, Yes I know, and yes, I love this so much that Samantha, she made me a wonderful She got a wonderful mug made for me that has Luke on it and a cinnamon roll that says precious cinnamon roll, too good, too pure for this world.
I love it. I'm drinking out of it right now.
Yeah.
I was so excited when I found a person who could do that for me on the perfect mug with a perfect like this is why I love Etsy again, not sponsored find people who are local and can do these crafts.
For you, beautiful.
I still love to think whoever this person was who wonders about it, what is the cinnamon roll or either knew it and was like, ah.
I feel like and it was so she Her response seemed to be like, I know exactly what you want.
Like it, and it's exactly what I wanted.
So I have a feeling she knew, like, I'm going to give a credit to that because there was no question.
I love it, I hope, so I absolutely adore the I have a homemade coaster for cinnamon roll and a shirt that says cinnamon rolls, not gender roles.
So I love it. I will put out there if you're interested.
I would love if anyone was interested in wanting to google more about this afterwards. I'd be surprised. But there is a sex slang term sinmon roll too. It's actually, you know, maybe Google knows me too well, but it's not. It was not on like the first page even I don't think. Yeah, but just to put.
That out there now, I'm gonna wonder what that is.
Oh, don't look at it, okay, I can explain to you later if you would like. No, no, no, no.
That says a lot, so I'm good.
So this term is believed to have originated from an Onion article about how cinnamon rolls the food were too good for this world, like we didn't deserve cinnamon rolls, and some words and phrases associated with a cinnamon role. I wanted to go through a list. I did this last night because I actually wrote this outline a long time ago, and I kept thinking of things so kind, sweet, genuine, earnest. Did I say kind, because that's a big one. Always putting others first, self sacrificing, friendly, affectionate, compassionate, brave, standing up for their beliefs, loyal, open, vulnerable, honest, good, pure, innocent, a damn sweetheart right, breuscious, gentle, soft sunshine. They like really see you, you know, and they're so open and giving with their hearts and they're usually pretty forgiving. Okay, but yes, what does this have to do with feminism and women's issues? So this is my theory and it is very personal to me. I don't think this is why everyone likes or write cinnamon rolls of people who do, but it is what resonates with me. And just a reminder, unfortunately women and other marginalized groups, do you experience trauma and PTSD at higher rates? And also they're the ones most fan fiction, so I'm sure people are like, wait, what we're talking about PTSD? Yeah, So the idea of being so good and so pure that you make others better, and this is a rhetoric we've heard particularly against women, like used against women making men better in that hetero sense. Sineminerals are also very genuine in their emotions and instead of being judged for it, they're loved for it. And that's nice to think, especially if you have been through a trauma, that being open with yourself and your emotions wouldn't drive people away, but instead it is a lovable Trait is something people love about you, something that makes you special.
That's a nice idea.
And then being so innocent that all the harm that comes to you is not your fault, which is particularly powerful when you've gone through a trauma and you're looking for all these reasons, examining all these things of how it was your fault, you're victim, blaming yourself, And just that term innocent it is really loaded.
And here I'm not talking.
I feel like that often is used in a sexual sense of like importunity.
It doesn't mean that.
And this question of like can you still be innocent and quotes after a trauma, And for me that was a very important thing. I wanted to believe that even after everything I've been through, I could be normal and heavy quotes and happy and sweet. And also there's for me personally, again, there's a level of not understanding the world around you, especially the romance aspect and bad evil things and just kind of not so great things and bringing out those protective instincts and others because it without you don't have to ask, and that is comforting because for again, I have a really hard time asking for help, and so the idea that someone could just help me, that they can see that I need help and they will and I don't have to ask, is.
Really comforting for me.
And this trope does almost always involve someone being comforted and assured that you did nothing wrong and people just being really protective of you. And this is tricky because for me, I had these traumas at four hundive points in my life and this protection protection at all king met I price. So it's extremely powerful for me to think that someone would protect me because they want to because they like me, and not because they want something from you. Which I know you can protect someone because you like them and you love them and also want something from them, but that is really hard for me to accept. That's something I'm actually working on because of what I went through. Yeah, semon rolls themselves are generally always putting others first and never thinking of themselves and that necessitates this protective instinct in others, even when it comes to making sure they eat or sleep, which is something I.
Can really relate to.
And I will say some people really don't like this trope. They think that it's unrealistic, which no one's saying. It's not a kind of goody two shoes territory. And that's where you see the opposite of this, as in Loop becomes an evil. Sith Board are kind of similarly Harry Potter is in Slytherin. This is really cunning. I would argue for some this is also a reaction to trauma. Those things and they just coped in a different way than I did, And that's not bad or wrong. It's just how, as we said, people cope in different ways. But TLDR, I love ceminon rolls, not a food. Yes, the food is okay, but the trope is my favorite, even though I know they are unrealistic. And I would never want to put these restrictions on trauma on anyone or how you should handle trauma. But it's nice for me to read and write about I'm jokingly said, I'm seminal sexual.
I could see that.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I will say this was probably the first things you told me about in fan fiction world as I'm learning of such things. But yeah, I think it's definitely a conversation about trauma as well. And when we talk about Hey Potter specifically, I come from like a social work perspective of like, no real kid would be this okay and this good and this reality.
But that's not true. That's not true.
People react differently, and some do fight against the evil, and some Jews have come to their own traumas. And then when I say SubCom that means like whether it's exploring yourself and finding yourself however necessary.
So yeah, it's a whole thing.
But yeah, cinnamon rolls sounds really nice and does make me want to eat a cinnamon roll.
It can be accomplished.
There's a part of me that's like, I wonder if I could convince Samantha to read one of these fan fictions so she knows what I'm talking about that I didn't.
I feel like I know you talk a lot about it, so I feel like I've read some things, like even without reading things, that's.
Okay, thank you well.
And I also want to say if I wasn't clear I'm sure plenty of people read this and like it because there is that dichotomy of like super sweet Luke Skywalker and then you're like gruff on Solo, and that's just some people just enjoy that, like contrasting characters, and they're not reading it because it's like trauma interpretation. But that's just for me. I think that's one of the reasons that it really resonates. And I do think that probably for other trauma people who've experienced trauma, that might be something similar, but I could be absolutely wrong.
I'd love to hear from any listeners of your thoughts.
Well.
I think a lot of any kind of like fan fiction or when we talk about writing or needing something cathartic and when you connect with a character so deeply you see it part of yourself into that character, or whether it's the environment and too I wanted to go the way.
You hope for or you are fearful of. That's therapeutic.
Yeah, yeah, it is, and I know I've talked about it before, but it has been very therapeutic for me. And if you want the mineral fan fake recommendations, I have a million of them. I have a lot they're almost all original trilogy Star Wars because that is what I mostly read right now, and Luke is the main character I've seen with that label. As I said, the most Cinnamon role of the Cinnamon Rolls I've read is a ten part twin swap fic being Luke and La switch places called How the Other Half Lives by Arcadian Knights, and I adore it. It's a series, so yes, ten parts is a lot. Also, what's coming to an end? And I'm very very sad you told me this. Yes, and the author I wonder if they would agree about the cinnamon role label, but I think so. But yes, I have many recommendations. I will totally shout out your fan fiction if you send it to us, and I will send any rex to you. I also have a music playlist that's Inmonroal themed and it's very sad. So if you have any fan fiction you want to highlight, or if you're looking for suggestions, you can email us our email Stuff Media mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You, are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast.
Thanks as always to our super producer Christina.
Thank you Christina, and.
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