We like to hold up America’s wild spaces as equal playgrounds for all, but access to nature isn’t as universal as we’d like to think. Many people of color face major barriers to participating in outdoor activities like camping or hiking. Today on the podcast, we hear about some people that are trying to change that.

GUESTS:

Rhonda Smith, writer for Planet Detroit. You can find Rhonda’s articles about making outdoor recreation more accessible to people of color here.

Antonio Rafael, Detroit environmental activist and director of the Detroit Leadership and Environmental Education Program, an initiative of the National Wildlife Federation's Great Lakes Regional Center.

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