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Does he well, just when they didn't want this kind of publicity. I'm talking about Super Rugby full stop. There's been trouble at meal with medical staff on the park interfering with the ball, and Super Rugby Pacific have said naughty, naughty, They've slapped their hand, they've listed them, are fine and we move on. Being a meadow yourself, you would have had experience with I'm not saying you did it, but with the ability and what happens the process on the field, an interfering with the ball. Does this strike you as strange? This one?

Does he well, just when they didn't want this kind of publicity. I'm talking about Super Rugby full stop. There's been trouble at meal with medical staff on the park interfering with the ball, and Super Rugby Pacific have said naughty, naughty, They've slapped their hand, they've listed them, are fine and we move on. Being a meadow yourself, you would have had experience with I'm not saying you did it, but with the ability and what happens the process on the field, an interfering with the ball. Does this strike you as strange? This one?

It doesn't surprise me. It's totally strange. There's always some engagement ship done by sidle and stuff. You know. There's a classic one is catching the ball when it's been kicked out to prevent you know, a quick line out. Are those sort of things. But of cause, now, with a limited time to take a conversion or take a penalty, hiding the ball is a bit more mischievous, isn't it. So Obviously it must be reasonably serious for the Raby unions to take action against that heavily.

It doesn't surprise me. It's totally strange. There's always some engagement ship done by sidle and stuff. You know. There's a classic one is catching the ball when it's been kicked out to prevent you know, a quick line out. Are those sort of things. But of cause, now, with a limited time to take a conversion or take a penalty, hiding the ball is a bit more mischievous, isn't it. So Obviously it must be reasonably serious for the Raby unions to take action against that heavily.

Scored though, aren't he before that you know exactly what you can and can't do in the park. It's not like you're just rolling in like me for example, and just having a crack.

Scored though, aren't he before that you know exactly what you can and can't do in the park. It's not like you're just rolling in like me for example, and just having a crack.

No.

No.

No.

No.

I think all doctors and physiatic on the field and during rugby games, we've all been guilty of trying to give the referee some advice during the game or the touch dudge, a bit of advice about they not straight or you know, penalty they've missed and things like that because you're on the field quite quite a bit in the medical staff, so you have an interaction with a referee and I'm sure a lot of medical staff have been told off so to speak by it by referees. But this is the first time I've heard they've kicked the ball away from a conversion. I mean, there was that famous bloodgate case, you know, in my son's old team Harlequins in the UK, when Dean Richards was the coach, and you know, the doctor in physio inspired to use an artist or blood capsule to imitate a bloodbind you know, to get actually Nick Evans back on the field for its gold again and they got into a lot of trouble. The doctor and physio got professional bands from their respective councils for a period of time, and Dean Richards as the coach I think, was banned for a couple of years.

I think all doctors and physiatic on the field and during rugby games, we've all been guilty of trying to give the referee some advice during the game or the touch dudge, a bit of advice about they not straight or you know, penalty they've missed and things like that because you're on the field quite quite a bit in the medical staff, so you have an interaction with a referee and I'm sure a lot of medical staff have been told off so to speak by it by referees. But this is the first time I've heard they've kicked the ball away from a conversion. I mean, there was that famous bloodgate case, you know, in my son's old team Harlequins in the UK, when Dean Richards was the coach, and you know, the doctor in physio inspired to use an artist or blood capsule to imitate a bloodbind you know, to get actually Nick Evans back on the field for its gold again and they got into a lot of trouble. The doctor and physio got professional bands from their respective councils for a period of time, and Dean Richards as the coach I think, was banned for a couple of years.

Back in the day. But a gainsmanship, as you describe it, maybe bit a chat to the referee and the light from the doctor kind of accepted then. But as the game goes more and more professional, there must be some pretty sharp or severe limitations boundaries around what you can can't do and say exactly.

Back in the day. But a gainsmanship, as you describe it, maybe bit a chat to the referee and the light from the doctor kind of accepted then. But as the game goes more and more professional, there must be some pretty sharp or severe limitations boundaries around what you can can't do and say exactly.

I mean, you've got to be very careful. And of course now the referees are miped up comment that you make to them anyway, so you've got to be careful. So what they did was the ball and things like that was very silly, I think, but most probably well intentioned but by the chiefs. But you can't do much about it.

I mean, you've got to be very careful. And of course now the referees are miped up comment that you make to them anyway, so you've got to be careful. So what they did was the ball and things like that was very silly, I think, but most probably well intentioned but by the chiefs. But you can't do much about it.

Well, it can't be well intentioned if it's on purpose, because as you pointed out, everybody can see absolutely everything. There's just no room for skullduggery, so it seems there a foolish at best, I suppose with that, and doing it twice is even more strange.

Well, it can't be well intentioned if it's on purpose, because as you pointed out, everybody can see absolutely everything. There's just no room for skullduggery, so it seems there a foolish at best, I suppose with that, and doing it twice is even more strange.

Yeah, exactly, I think they might have got away with it once, you know, by hiding the ball or something like that, but to kick it away twice as asking for trouble. And I presume that's the reason why the person concerned has been penalized for that, or the club has been penalized for that.

Yeah, exactly, I think they might have got away with it once, you know, by hiding the ball or something like that, but to kick it away twice as asking for trouble. And I presume that's the reason why the person concerned has been penalized for that, or the club has been penalized for that.

Do you go far as to call it cheating? John Well?

Do you go far as to call it cheating? John Well?

I suppose technically it is. I mean, I think it didn't have any impact on the game, and I think on the conversion that was missed for the last penalty, I don't think that it occurred then. But it's you know, not on the ethos of the game. You know, we obviously stretched the blood but into its limits at times. We've done things like that the head injury to the limits at times, and you know, we give you, perhaps revereree, some unsort of advice at times. But I think that's just a bit bit worse than that.

I suppose technically it is. I mean, I think it didn't have any impact on the game, and I think on the conversion that was missed for the last penalty, I don't think that it occurred then. But it's you know, not on the ethos of the game. You know, we obviously stretched the blood but into its limits at times. We've done things like that the head injury to the limits at times, and you know, we give you, perhaps revereree, some unsort of advice at times. But I think that's just a bit bit worse than that.

So is it fine good enough in your mind from from what you know? Obviously you're not right in the thick of it and haven't seen all the videos, but is represents an okay sanction.

So is it fine good enough in your mind from from what you know? Obviously you're not right in the thick of it and haven't seen all the videos, but is represents an okay sanction.

The game's gone, isn't it. If it caused the loss of the game or something like that, you can't do much about it. You know, bad refereeing decisions happening in games. You know, you look at the British Lions, they test, you know, a bad decision there, but we can't do anything about it. And you know, if they had interfered with the result of the game, a fine would be appropriate. But what difference does it really make?

The game's gone, isn't it. If it caused the loss of the game or something like that, you can't do much about it. You know, bad refereeing decisions happening in games. You know, you look at the British Lions, they test, you know, a bad decision there, but we can't do anything about it. And you know, if they had interfered with the result of the game, a fine would be appropriate. But what difference does it really make?

Well, it's two points though, right, Well, one of the conventions was missed, one of them wasn't in. They're only leading by one point, so if you wanted to wind it back, you go, wow, kind of flooded a couple of points off. About how far do you go back? And where do you point the finger?

Well, it's two points though, right, Well, one of the conventions was missed, one of them wasn't in. They're only leading by one point, so if you wanted to wind it back, you go, wow, kind of flooded a couple of points off. About how far do you go back? And where do you point the finger?

Right? What we saw and it was the Warriors system coaching a three game ban for having an altercation off the field, which is perhaps didn't interfere with the result of the game, and it gets a three months, three match ban and I think ten thousand dollars fine or something like that. And in this case, from what you're telling me, that the club gets a small fine and this is perhaps you know, worse impact on the game.

Right? What we saw and it was the Warriors system coaching a three game ban for having an altercation off the field, which is perhaps didn't interfere with the result of the game, and it gets a three months, three match ban and I think ten thousand dollars fine or something like that. And in this case, from what you're telling me, that the club gets a small fine and this is perhaps you know, worse impact on the game.

What about when you on the park and we know that there's always tumult around that getting in the way again, start with the water boys, start with the meadows. Does that cause a ruckus on the park? Is that something that that that that medicates? Medics and the like always have to be deal with and be very understanding of what's going on there.

What about when you on the park and we know that there's always tumult around that getting in the way again, start with the water boys, start with the meadows. Does that cause a ruckus on the park? Is that something that that that that medicates? Medics and the like always have to be deal with and be very understanding of what's going on there.

Oh, yes you are, because you're wide up to the coaching staff and the you know. You see, especially in Northern Hemans rugby, a lot of props going down before scrums and lineouts and things like that to get a risk and things like that, and I think referees can get very annoyed about that, and they put pressure on the medical staff to say, well, you know, is there anything actually wrong with a sky is it's just a eployee to get up at a time. And I think that's one good thing that's happened. And seeper Rugula this year. The referees don't get on with it, you know, and unless you're severely injured, you know, the game goes on. So I think that's quite good. And obviously in rugby league the medical staff have left visible on the field, they can't to fear as much. But in rugby union, you know, you're on the field and you can pass messages on and durious other things as well, and unfortunate times you can actually get tackled by players and when the play suddenly comes your way and you're standing looking at an injured player, so you can get involved and advert me in the game.

Oh, yes you are, because you're wide up to the coaching staff and the you know. You see, especially in Northern Hemans rugby, a lot of props going down before scrums and lineouts and things like that to get a risk and things like that, and I think referees can get very annoyed about that, and they put pressure on the medical staff to say, well, you know, is there anything actually wrong with a sky is it's just a eployee to get up at a time. And I think that's one good thing that's happened. And seeper Rugula this year. The referees don't get on with it, you know, and unless you're severely injured, you know, the game goes on. So I think that's quite good. And obviously in rugby league the medical staff have left visible on the field, they can't to fear as much. But in rugby union, you know, you're on the field and you can pass messages on and durious other things as well, and unfortunate times you can actually get tackled by players and when the play suddenly comes your way and you're standing looking at an injured player, so you can get involved and advert me in the game.

Huge responsibility for medics out there considering what they can and can't do, because people don't know the extent of injuries. They don't understand you guys do that's your job and your ability to interfere, possibly at the behest of the coaching staff because you're micd up. This is a delicate place to be for anyone engaged in that.

Huge responsibility for medics out there considering what they can and can't do, because people don't know the extent of injuries. They don't understand you guys do that's your job and your ability to interfere, possibly at the behest of the coaching staff because you're micd up. This is a delicate place to be for anyone engaged in that.

Oh oh it is. I mean you've got to make decisions on the field in front of sixty thousand people about you know, whether a very important player can play on or come off. You know, obviously you don't want to get it wrong because you want to bring a good player off and conversey. You don't want to make sure to make sure a players health is not worse than by trying to play on and especially in their head entry space, which I think we've got a lot of protection for now, but in other injuries you've got to be careful, you know what's going on.

Oh oh it is. I mean you've got to make decisions on the field in front of sixty thousand people about you know, whether a very important player can play on or come off. You know, obviously you don't want to get it wrong because you want to bring a good player off and conversey. You don't want to make sure to make sure a players health is not worse than by trying to play on and especially in their head entry space, which I think we've got a lot of protection for now, but in other injuries you've got to be careful, you know what's going on.

So it is open to skullduggery, but from what you've seen and been involved in experience and it's not really abused, from the coach to the medics and so on and so forth.

So it is open to skullduggery, but from what you've seen and been involved in experience and it's not really abused, from the coach to the medics and so on and so forth.

No, No, I don't think so. I think there's some gaming of the rules, but nothing terrible.

No, No, I don't think so. I think there's some gaming of the rules, but nothing terrible.

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