You're listening to mornings with Seth and Deb, and Seth is off on vacation. But this morning we are welcoming our mental health counselor, David Beebe, to the studio with us every month. This month it is Mental Health Awareness Month.

You're listening to mornings with Seth and Deb, and Seth is off on vacation. But this morning we are welcoming our mental health counselor, David Beebe, to the studio with us every month. This month it is Mental Health Awareness Month.

It's a good month to be aware of. It is. That's right. Thanks for making us aware of it. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. So, you know, we were talking off air a little bit about some of the different things that we can become addicted to. And we asked Deb asked the question, can you become addicted to anything? And your response. Absolutely. Okay.

It's a good month to be aware of. It is. That's right. Thanks for making us aware of it. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate that. So, you know, we were talking off air a little bit about some of the different things that we can become addicted to. And we asked Deb asked the question, can you become addicted to anything? And your response. Absolutely. Okay.

Absolutely. I think the only thing that you probably couldn't be addicted to after I gave it some thought is, God, you know, that's kind of an out for addiction there, though. On the other hand, sometimes people have gotten addicted to ministry and then they kind of, you know, put their family aside and, you know, cause issues there when you lift up ministry over the Lord, even. And so I think the only addiction that you really can have is a relationship with the Lord.

Absolutely. I think the only thing that you probably couldn't be addicted to after I gave it some thought is, God, you know, that's kind of an out for addiction there, though. On the other hand, sometimes people have gotten addicted to ministry and then they kind of, you know, put their family aside and, you know, cause issues there when you lift up ministry over the Lord, even. And so I think the only addiction that you really can have is a relationship with the Lord.

Yeah. For sure.

Yeah. For sure.

What's a what's a definition of addiction?

What's a what's a definition of addiction?

So I don't have a straight definition with me, but it's anything that we constantly go to over and over as a means to cope, to regulate, to manage our stress. What we do when we're bored, when we're restless. A lot of people think, you know, on the topic of heart addictions. A lot of people think, oh, addiction is just, you know, some sort of hard drugs, whether it be like meth, cocaine or or drinking, you know, those are things that we see as more addictions. But soft addictions can be anything from internet surfing, scrolling on YouTube, um, HGTV, watching. Deb, you called yourself out earlier, so now I can call you out. Um, but anything like, uh, checking our phones often, even, um, like, thinking we felt a vibration, and we look at our phone and it's like, oh, it's not even there. Those phantom vibrations.

So I don't have a straight definition with me, but it's anything that we constantly go to over and over as a means to cope, to regulate, to manage our stress. What we do when we're bored, when we're restless. A lot of people think, you know, on the topic of heart addictions. A lot of people think, oh, addiction is just, you know, some sort of hard drugs, whether it be like meth, cocaine or or drinking, you know, those are things that we see as more addictions. But soft addictions can be anything from internet surfing, scrolling on YouTube, um, HGTV, watching. Deb, you called yourself out earlier, so now I can call you out. Um, but anything like, uh, checking our phones often, even, um, like, thinking we felt a vibration, and we look at our phone and it's like, oh, it's not even there. Those phantom vibrations.

That.

That.

We feel. Yeah. And so it's really anything we go to excessively.

We feel. Yeah. And so it's really anything we go to excessively.

All right. So there's one on your list that you have here that I find fascinating. Yes. And that's procrastination.

All right. So there's one on your list that you have here that I find fascinating. Yes. And that's procrastination.

Procrastination. So procrastination. It's interesting that whether it be through the lens of procrastination or avoidance, whenever you engage in those behaviors, maybe they're one and the same. I don't know. I avoid certain things, I procrastinate other things, but regardless if they're the same or separate, every time you engage in procrastination and avoidance, there's a positive effect that happens in the brain. It's so much so kind of like what happens if you get a notification on social media like someone liked your post or, um, you know, it's like one extra cookie, you know, it's amazing how addictive procrastination itself can be because it's the act of getting away from an experience we don't want to engage in that's addictive. Same with those who kind of battle with OCD. You know, it's not, um, it's not the hand-washing that's addictive. It's more so the relief that comes from the obsessive behavior.

Procrastination. So procrastination. It's interesting that whether it be through the lens of procrastination or avoidance, whenever you engage in those behaviors, maybe they're one and the same. I don't know. I avoid certain things, I procrastinate other things, but regardless if they're the same or separate, every time you engage in procrastination and avoidance, there's a positive effect that happens in the brain. It's so much so kind of like what happens if you get a notification on social media like someone liked your post or, um, you know, it's like one extra cookie, you know, it's amazing how addictive procrastination itself can be because it's the act of getting away from an experience we don't want to engage in that's addictive. Same with those who kind of battle with OCD. You know, it's not, um, it's not the hand-washing that's addictive. It's more so the relief that comes from the obsessive behavior.

Because that's actually releasing certain chemicals in the brain. Is that right? Correct.

Because that's actually releasing certain chemicals in the brain. Is that right? Correct.

There are chemicals in the brain when we engage in soft addictions, such as dopamine, which is the the pleasure chemical. There's also, um, endorphins, which is not only a pleasure chemical, but also it's a painkiller. And so when we engage in these behaviors, it not only makes us feel good, but it also produces the chemical that makes us feel less pain or distress. And then when we engage in these soft addictions, it really changes the structure of our brain, which I find fascinating. You know, it changes aspects of the neural pathways between our hippocampus and our prefrontal cortex, you know, the areas of our memory and moral decision making. And so it really, over the years, just really changes those pathways in the brain.

There are chemicals in the brain when we engage in soft addictions, such as dopamine, which is the the pleasure chemical. There's also, um, endorphins, which is not only a pleasure chemical, but also it's a painkiller. And so when we engage in these behaviors, it not only makes us feel good, but it also produces the chemical that makes us feel less pain or distress. And then when we engage in these soft addictions, it really changes the structure of our brain, which I find fascinating. You know, it changes aspects of the neural pathways between our hippocampus and our prefrontal cortex, you know, the areas of our memory and moral decision making. And so it really, over the years, just really changes those pathways in the brain.

Wow. One of the things you mentioned is listening to music. And I really love listening to music and will do so on my way to work and coming home. A lot of times, how how would you know whether something you were doing crosses over to an addiction and not just a pleasure that you have during the day. Like listening to music?

Wow. One of the things you mentioned is listening to music. And I really love listening to music and will do so on my way to work and coming home. A lot of times, how how would you know whether something you were doing crosses over to an addiction and not just a pleasure that you have during the day. Like listening to music?

Sure. I think you'd have to ask yourself, am I uncomfortable in this moment without it?

Sure. I think you'd have to ask yourself, am I uncomfortable in this moment without it?

Oh, that's a good question.

Oh, that's a good question.

Am I uncomfortable? Um, the other day, for example, we were talking about taking mental health days. I myself needed one. Every good counselor needs their own mental health days. So I went up to Clinton to the lock and dam. I don't know if you've ever been up there, but it's a nice, beautiful area and I love listening to Christian indie music. But I felt uncomfortable when I hit pause, and I really had to fight like a balance of worshiping God through the music and also just sitting in the quiet. Um, and a lot of that can come from a childhood of feeling alone, whether if you're an only child and parents are working a lot, or whether maybe you grew up in a house full of kids and maybe you were you were the kid that was kind of off to his own devices. Um, it can be really easy that when you grow up feeling alone, that we want to fill it with something. And so I even filled it with things growing up, like TV, movies, you know. I wasn't satisfied just playing a computer game as a kid. I had to have TV on too, to give me some sort of feeling that someone was with me, even though I could have cracked open my Bible and saw, you know, the promise in Hebrews that says, never will I leave you, never will I forsake you. And so just noise itself can be so addictive. And I'm really trying to practice being more content with quiet, even though it's hard. I mean, it's hard for myself as a parent with kids because they grew up with sound machines. You know, we as parents, when they were babies, we wanted them to sleep because we wanted to sleep, right. And so they had a constant sound machine going. And it's just become the norm now.

Am I uncomfortable? Um, the other day, for example, we were talking about taking mental health days. I myself needed one. Every good counselor needs their own mental health days. So I went up to Clinton to the lock and dam. I don't know if you've ever been up there, but it's a nice, beautiful area and I love listening to Christian indie music. But I felt uncomfortable when I hit pause, and I really had to fight like a balance of worshiping God through the music and also just sitting in the quiet. Um, and a lot of that can come from a childhood of feeling alone, whether if you're an only child and parents are working a lot, or whether maybe you grew up in a house full of kids and maybe you were you were the kid that was kind of off to his own devices. Um, it can be really easy that when you grow up feeling alone, that we want to fill it with something. And so I even filled it with things growing up, like TV, movies, you know. I wasn't satisfied just playing a computer game as a kid. I had to have TV on too, to give me some sort of feeling that someone was with me, even though I could have cracked open my Bible and saw, you know, the promise in Hebrews that says, never will I leave you, never will I forsake you. And so just noise itself can be so addictive. And I'm really trying to practice being more content with quiet, even though it's hard. I mean, it's hard for myself as a parent with kids because they grew up with sound machines. You know, we as parents, when they were babies, we wanted them to sleep because we wanted to sleep, right. And so they had a constant sound machine going. And it's just become the norm now.

Yeah. So how do we combat that? David, how do we you know, I mean, you've probably had to do it yourself, but how do we get away from some of those soft addictions that we have? And what's the alternative?

Yeah. So how do we combat that? David, how do we you know, I mean, you've probably had to do it yourself, but how do we get away from some of those soft addictions that we have? And what's the alternative?

I think the first thing is to be aware. You have.

I think the first thing is to be aware. You have.

Them. Yeah.

Them. Yeah.

That's always the first step to to do like an inventory and say, okay, what soft addictions are going on. Why are they there? Why am I engaging in them. And why did they start. So kind of like that example I gave earlier when I was home alone a lot. That's where the sound one came from. That if I don't have sound, even though I could have just had a great connection with friends and family, if it's quiet, I feel alone. Even though I know mentally I'm not alone. I have God, I have my family, I have my friends, I have my neighbors. But that that quietness is so unsettling. And so just do an inventory first to see kind of what your soft addictions are. Yeah. Um, and kind of why you go to them is the first step. And then you could start seeking out, um, emotional, healthy emotional regulation strategies, um, which is journaling. I have found journaling is great. Like, okay, why am I feeling this way? And then I start connecting pieces that I really didn't connect if I didn't start writing things down.

That's always the first step to to do like an inventory and say, okay, what soft addictions are going on. Why are they there? Why am I engaging in them. And why did they start. So kind of like that example I gave earlier when I was home alone a lot. That's where the sound one came from. That if I don't have sound, even though I could have just had a great connection with friends and family, if it's quiet, I feel alone. Even though I know mentally I'm not alone. I have God, I have my family, I have my friends, I have my neighbors. But that that quietness is so unsettling. And so just do an inventory first to see kind of what your soft addictions are. Yeah. Um, and kind of why you go to them is the first step. And then you could start seeking out, um, emotional, healthy emotional regulation strategies, um, which is journaling. I have found journaling is great. Like, okay, why am I feeling this way? And then I start connecting pieces that I really didn't connect if I didn't start writing things down.

Wow. So are any of these mainly healthy? And you mentioned you mentioned meditation, you know, and study of God's Word as something that you can't really be addicted to because that's where we want to go to for our filling.

Wow. So are any of these mainly healthy? And you mentioned you mentioned meditation, you know, and study of God's Word as something that you can't really be addicted to because that's where we want to go to for our filling.

Mhm. Absolutely.

Mhm. Absolutely.

So anything else can can fill us up. But it's not wrong to have those things that God's given us to, to enjoy. Right.

So anything else can can fill us up. But it's not wrong to have those things that God's given us to, to enjoy. Right.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

It's just when it's out of whack.

It's just when it's out of whack.

Absolutely. It's just like God wants us to feed ourselves, right?

Absolutely. It's just like God wants us to feed ourselves, right?

Right.

Right.

But he doesn't want us to be, like, obsessed with food. You know, God wants us to maintain this temple. Um, for some people, it's around her temple. My temple is round instead of square. Yes. Um. But God wants us to maintain our temple. But it gets to the point of extremes. When someone's working out two, three hours a day, five, six days a week. You know, it can be too much when people, you know, they want to laugh. And so they engage in some comedy movies, which may not be the most appropriate for the mind. Sex is great between a husband and a wife, but outside of those confines of marriage, that's where it's rough too, with whether it be sex addiction, porn addiction, you name it. But all of those good things can be excessive as a means to like comfort self, to self-soothe, to emotionally regulate. Because maybe we grew up in homes we weren't taught how to regulate. Like, I don't mean to be disrespectful to those of the boomer generation. Um, but there wasn't a lot of teaching on how to regulate. It was just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, keep moving, keep trucking along. There wasn't a validation of feelings or teaching kids of those parents how to regulate their feelings. And then you grew up with other generations who were raised in the church. And no disrespect to parents who are trying their best because we all try our best as parents. But sometimes the first thing we try to teach our kids is go to the Lord, which is great, but we also need those basic everyday tools to emotionally regulate too, because as an eight year old, they need to learn how to regulate their feelings first, feel what they're feeling, validate those feelings and regulate them, and then bring the Lord into it. Because God is such a big concept that we as adults, we're able to better emotionally regulate as adults through prayer and meditation and time in the word. But when we're growing up as kids and teenagers, we need more than that. And even as adults, we need more than that.

But he doesn't want us to be, like, obsessed with food. You know, God wants us to maintain this temple. Um, for some people, it's around her temple. My temple is round instead of square. Yes. Um. But God wants us to maintain our temple. But it gets to the point of extremes. When someone's working out two, three hours a day, five, six days a week. You know, it can be too much when people, you know, they want to laugh. And so they engage in some comedy movies, which may not be the most appropriate for the mind. Sex is great between a husband and a wife, but outside of those confines of marriage, that's where it's rough too, with whether it be sex addiction, porn addiction, you name it. But all of those good things can be excessive as a means to like comfort self, to self-soothe, to emotionally regulate. Because maybe we grew up in homes we weren't taught how to regulate. Like, I don't mean to be disrespectful to those of the boomer generation. Um, but there wasn't a lot of teaching on how to regulate. It was just pull yourself up by the bootstraps, keep moving, keep trucking along. There wasn't a validation of feelings or teaching kids of those parents how to regulate their feelings. And then you grew up with other generations who were raised in the church. And no disrespect to parents who are trying their best because we all try our best as parents. But sometimes the first thing we try to teach our kids is go to the Lord, which is great, but we also need those basic everyday tools to emotionally regulate too, because as an eight year old, they need to learn how to regulate their feelings first, feel what they're feeling, validate those feelings and regulate them, and then bring the Lord into it. Because God is such a big concept that we as adults, we're able to better emotionally regulate as adults through prayer and meditation and time in the word. But when we're growing up as kids and teenagers, we need more than that. And even as adults, we need more than that.

I was going to say.

I was going to say.

Yeah. So, David, I might be stepping on a few toes here.

Yeah. So, David, I might be stepping on a few toes here.

You can step on any toes, not fingers.

You can step on any toes, not fingers.

So. Okay.

So. Okay.

All right. Just toes.

All right. Just toes.

All right. So what about Bible studies? Can that become a soft addiction? Because, I mean, I've caught myself in the past, and I know others that they can't seem to quit going. They might be doing 2 or 3 Bible studies at one time.

All right. So what about Bible studies? Can that become a soft addiction? Because, I mean, I've caught myself in the past, and I know others that they can't seem to quit going. They might be doing 2 or 3 Bible studies at one time.

That's a lot of Bible studies.

That's a lot of Bible studies.

And they're going and they're doing. That's all they're doing. And it seems like we can try to learn so much about the Bible, but not really putting it into practical application or bringing it to a level where we understand what God's trying to teach us. I'm just throwing that out there.

And they're going and they're doing. That's all they're doing. And it seems like we can try to learn so much about the Bible, but not really putting it into practical application or bringing it to a level where we understand what God's trying to teach us. I'm just throwing that out there.

No, that's a good thought. And that would be something that is between that person's heart and the Lord. Mhm. It could be because there's a socialization piece and there are people who are craving that socialization. So they, they kind of mask the soft addiction of, of being with people. Yeah. To a Bible study. Or it could be just they don't know how to approach the Bible. And so no one taught them how to get in the word appropriately and dissect the word. And so maybe they're leaning on that. Maybe they're too intimidated by getting on the word on their own. Um, but it could be a soft addiction if they feel uncomfortable and restless and antsy without it.

No, that's a good thought. And that would be something that is between that person's heart and the Lord. Mhm. It could be because there's a socialization piece and there are people who are craving that socialization. So they, they kind of mask the soft addiction of, of being with people. Yeah. To a Bible study. Or it could be just they don't know how to approach the Bible. And so no one taught them how to get in the word appropriately and dissect the word. And so maybe they're leaning on that. Maybe they're too intimidated by getting on the word on their own. Um, but it could be a soft addiction if they feel uncomfortable and restless and antsy without it.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that it's bad to be in Bible studies. I'm just saying that sometimes it can seem like we're using it as a, like you said, like an excuse to just be socializing with people as opposed to actually diligently wanting to learn more about God. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying that it's bad to be in Bible studies. I'm just saying that sometimes it can seem like we're using it as a, like you said, like an excuse to just be socializing with people as opposed to actually diligently wanting to learn more about God. Yeah. Yeah.

So, David, where do we go from here? I mean, I was thinking about those times when my kids had meltdowns and I didn't really know what to do to help them self-regulate. So what would you do if your child had a meltdown? Or if your spouse has a meltdown and you're wondering, how can I help? How can I help them? How can I regulate when I feel like I'm going to have a meltdown?

So, David, where do we go from here? I mean, I was thinking about those times when my kids had meltdowns and I didn't really know what to do to help them self-regulate. So what would you do if your child had a meltdown? Or if your spouse has a meltdown and you're wondering, how can I help? How can I help them? How can I regulate when I feel like I'm going to have a meltdown?

Right. And that's where you could try your best to validate the feeling that you're seeing. And just by saying what you're seeing, even if you're on the kid or the spouse will correct you, you could say, you know, you look like you're feeling sad. You look like you're feeling disappointed or angry. And then if you feel like you're on the cusp of getting overwhelmed because of how they're overwhelmed, if it's like from parent to child, you'd be like, okay, dad's going to take a couple deep breaths because I need to regulate. And then you breathe in, you breathe out. Or you're like, I need I need a two minute break. You know, if you need anything, I'm here. But I'm just going to be standing over there, you know, taking a bit of a break, but I'm still here if you need me. Um, so it's powerful that we as adults want to co-regulate with our kids specifically. We often say, why aren't my kids regulating while ignoring the dysregulation in us? Because we're emotionally dysregulated when they're dysregulated. And so we kind of got to get close to them, connect with them, um, lean into them and just regulate with them until they get to that place.

Right. And that's where you could try your best to validate the feeling that you're seeing. And just by saying what you're seeing, even if you're on the kid or the spouse will correct you, you could say, you know, you look like you're feeling sad. You look like you're feeling disappointed or angry. And then if you feel like you're on the cusp of getting overwhelmed because of how they're overwhelmed, if it's like from parent to child, you'd be like, okay, dad's going to take a couple deep breaths because I need to regulate. And then you breathe in, you breathe out. Or you're like, I need I need a two minute break. You know, if you need anything, I'm here. But I'm just going to be standing over there, you know, taking a bit of a break, but I'm still here if you need me. Um, so it's powerful that we as adults want to co-regulate with our kids specifically. We often say, why aren't my kids regulating while ignoring the dysregulation in us? Because we're emotionally dysregulated when they're dysregulated. And so we kind of got to get close to them, connect with them, um, lean into them and just regulate with them until they get to that place.

Yeah. And also allowing people to have that space because sometimes as spouses, when you're arguing or you're having and somebody says, I would like two minutes by myself. We don't we just follow them.

Yeah. And also allowing people to have that space because sometimes as spouses, when you're arguing or you're having and somebody says, I would like two minutes by myself. We don't we just follow them.

Right.

Right.

Instead of letting them have that space.

Instead of letting them have that space.

Well, that kind of goes into what your 730 spot was talking about attachment styles to where sometimes we get close to people to try to fix because we feel anxious if they're far off doing their own thing. And so if, if we have that anxious attachment style, we want to make sure that we're secure in the relationship. Even if someone's wanting space, that's to be honest, that's kind of some of the big, um, tiffs my wife and I had is that I'm a fixer as a guy, number one and number two, I have a bit of an anxious attachment style to where if I feel like I'm off of someone, I want to be close, even if they need their space.

Well, that kind of goes into what your 730 spot was talking about attachment styles to where sometimes we get close to people to try to fix because we feel anxious if they're far off doing their own thing. And so if, if we have that anxious attachment style, we want to make sure that we're secure in the relationship. Even if someone's wanting space, that's to be honest, that's kind of some of the big, um, tiffs my wife and I had is that I'm a fixer as a guy, number one and number two, I have a bit of an anxious attachment style to where if I feel like I'm off of someone, I want to be close, even if they need their space.

But it's okay to give them their space.

But it's okay to give them their space.

It's absolutely okay. Yeah. And out of everything, it's absolutely okay to say that you have a soft addiction. I think if I could, I could tell any listener today that it's okay to take a look within and say, I have this soft addiction to scrolling, or I have this soft addiction to food, or I have this soft addiction to video games. Truth be told, I'm trying to engage in 300 days without any TV or media or video games of any kind, and I notice I scroll new stories more than I ever would on my phone. And I'm recognizing that as much as I'm trying to practice healthy relationship with my screens, it's growing in other ways that I didn't expect. Um, and also, um, just as an FYI for all of you who might be considering, you know, seeking counseling, um, counselors have their own addictions too, and you can feel safe in the spaces that you're in to share that with them. That's good to, um, you know, and I'm not trying to say the counseling profession is full of, you know, you know, cocaine snorters or anything like that by any means. But we have our own soft addictions. But, you know, this week I will be 19 months free of one of my bad hang ups that I was addicted to for over 18 years because it was a self-regulation strategy. It was a way I tried to manage my emotions without God. And I think that's where so much of our addiction happens, is we try to manage our addictions without healthy regulation skills and without God and without transparency in the body saying, hey, I need help, I need support.

It's absolutely okay. Yeah. And out of everything, it's absolutely okay to say that you have a soft addiction. I think if I could, I could tell any listener today that it's okay to take a look within and say, I have this soft addiction to scrolling, or I have this soft addiction to food, or I have this soft addiction to video games. Truth be told, I'm trying to engage in 300 days without any TV or media or video games of any kind, and I notice I scroll new stories more than I ever would on my phone. And I'm recognizing that as much as I'm trying to practice healthy relationship with my screens, it's growing in other ways that I didn't expect. Um, and also, um, just as an FYI for all of you who might be considering, you know, seeking counseling, um, counselors have their own addictions too, and you can feel safe in the spaces that you're in to share that with them. That's good to, um, you know, and I'm not trying to say the counseling profession is full of, you know, you know, cocaine snorters or anything like that by any means. But we have our own soft addictions. But, you know, this week I will be 19 months free of one of my bad hang ups that I was addicted to for over 18 years because it was a self-regulation strategy. It was a way I tried to manage my emotions without God. And I think that's where so much of our addiction happens, is we try to manage our addictions without healthy regulation skills and without God and without transparency in the body saying, hey, I need help, I need support.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And celebrate recovery has really been one of those blessings in your life.

And celebrate recovery has really been one of those blessings in your life.

Absolutely. My wife and I have been going to celebrate recovery of Edgewood for two years now. Um, I completed a 12 step for one of my issues. She's currently in a 12 step for one of hers. Um, and it doesn't. Again, it doesn't have to be, um, about a drug addiction or alcohol addiction. It can be any hurt, hang up, or habit that's going on in your life, um, to where you need God's freedom and healing. Um, and God is able to do it. It takes work. Yeah, it takes work because you kind of have to revisit the places in the past that hurt and sting a bit when you look back.

Absolutely. My wife and I have been going to celebrate recovery of Edgewood for two years now. Um, I completed a 12 step for one of my issues. She's currently in a 12 step for one of hers. Um, and it doesn't. Again, it doesn't have to be, um, about a drug addiction or alcohol addiction. It can be any hurt, hang up, or habit that's going on in your life, um, to where you need God's freedom and healing. Um, and God is able to do it. It takes work. Yeah, it takes work because you kind of have to revisit the places in the past that hurt and sting a bit when you look back.

Which is some of the probably reasons why you fell into these addictions.

Which is some of the probably reasons why you fell into these addictions.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

You know, is you're trying to cover those things up and trying to fill that void or that hole with that, instead of what God is trying to fill in your life.

You know, is you're trying to cover those things up and trying to fill that void or that hole with that, instead of what God is trying to fill in your life.

Because there is so much in our day to day lives that could remind us so unconsciously of what hurt way back when.

Because there is so much in our day to day lives that could remind us so unconsciously of what hurt way back when.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, and so if I, for example, experience any type of offness in a relationship with a male that I care about, I think of my issues with my dad. Mhm. And so like there are so many things in our past that could make us want to shy away from, um, you know, dealing with those issues in a healthy way. Um, but in the end, we need to step back in order to step forward.

You know, and so if I, for example, experience any type of offness in a relationship with a male that I care about, I think of my issues with my dad. Mhm. And so like there are so many things in our past that could make us want to shy away from, um, you know, dealing with those issues in a healthy way. Um, but in the end, we need to step back in order to step forward.

Amen. That's good. Well, that's David Beebe. He is a licensed, uh, medical therapy. What?

Amen. That's good. Well, that's David Beebe. He is a licensed, uh, medical therapy. What?

Mental health.

Mental health.

Mental health. Counselor. Thank you very much. And, uh, I have a addiction to not being able to remember things, but that's okay. No, David, thank you for breakfast. First of all. And thank you for coming in here and giving us some great advice. And if people do want to contact you, how do they do that?

Mental health. Counselor. Thank you very much. And, uh, I have a addiction to not being able to remember things, but that's okay. No, David, thank you for breakfast. First of all. And thank you for coming in here and giving us some great advice. And if people do want to contact you, how do they do that?

They can look for me on Psychology Today. They just type in my name David Beebe b e e b e. I'm at InsideOut Counseling and Consulting in Davenport, Iowa. Um, I will say that there's the potential venture of me starting to teach at a local high school private high school. So I'm not sure what my availability will look like yet for sure. Um, but I still am accepting clients.

They can look for me on Psychology Today. They just type in my name David Beebe b e e b e. I'm at InsideOut Counseling and Consulting in Davenport, Iowa. Um, I will say that there's the potential venture of me starting to teach at a local high school private high school. So I'm not sure what my availability will look like yet for sure. Um, but I still am accepting clients.

Very good. Thanks, David. Appreciate you brother.

Very good. Thanks, David. Appreciate you brother.

Thank you.

Thank you.