In part two of this special two-part series, Ben, Noel and Max dive further into the (objectively disturbing) truth about just how many nuclear weapons are currently MIA. The gang speculates on the implications of these missteps -- and, as they wonder about the consequences of their actions,
Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much for tuning in. Shout out to super producer Max Kiloton Williams. This is part two of a continuing series I'm been your milk.
How is he gonna like mc kiloton or like DJ kill It.
Surely, surely there's an the nineties or early two thousands.
Yeah, probably not from the eighties, because you know, they were genuinely living a feared of nuclear war.
Duck and cover and all of that stuff.
But do you remember me? Isn't that interesting? Occurred to me recently? I think I was listening to an interview with a writer I believe it was on a podcast I like, and he was talking about how, you know, distinctly he remembered the Cold War as a kid and like going through drills like where you'd hide under your desk as if that was going to protect you from a nuclear blast.
I had been, Yeah, I'd been in some of those drills. There were still around, you know, because you had the tornado drill where you had to go in the hallway and get like face down into the base boards. But the nuclear drills felt almost more like propaganda, you know.
What, like this one, if I'm not mistaken, Okay, this is from the.
Fifties, to be fair, yeah, Cover, Yeah, but there were more modern versions of this type of it was it was more mental than it was actually going to help you physically.
I remember in my APUs class back in high school, we did all like a whole thing about Cold war propaganda, and Duck and Cover was one that we watched varying detail.
I love these things, and dun Cover.
Is the one's infamous because it has like there a family out on a picnic and the dad put the newspaper on his head. It's like even something as thin as a newspaper canna help protect you.
It's like, no, it won't.
It will kill you, will die, prevent you from seeing the arrival of your death. Correct. But something that burns so hot and so bright that it can make shadows on a wall permanent is not going to be not gonna be stopped by a desk or newspaper. But it's weird too, nol Because in an effort to make those things more approachable for children, they made the messages one hundred times more creepy, you know what I mean. Now it's this anthropomorphic cartoon turtle who's telling you, you know, hide from the nuclear weapons. Anyway people knew they were a threat. This this is part two. Listen to Part one of Broken Arrows. In today's episode, we're diving into some more specific cases of lost nukes. The first one that we're going to talk about is the only one that is not lost in some kind of body of water. This one is in the ground, which you would think would make it way easier to find, right, Like, you don't need a submarine.
Yeah, you would think that. I guess you could just use like, you know, one of those things that beachcombers use, you know, like a metal detector, you know, for like a a hobbyist treasure hunter. Surely there's like a large scale version of that, right yeah, right, Or at the very least, couldn't you do some kind of radar situation where maybe light ar where you could like, you know, sort of like those things they have on fishing boats where you can kind of see the shape of a thing like there has to be that's also part of the way they find dinosaur fossils. I believe these things so what's the deal, Ben, Why was it that the case?
Well, let's go to Heather Lea for WRAL dot com, who points out is not one but two nuclear bombs lost in North Carolina because of a crashing military airplane and they're in a field somewhere near Goldsboro. Let's get some Wayne's World flashback.
There is there.
Thank you. Yeah, Okay, So now we're back. It's nineteen sixty one. The bomber carrying these nukes has a fuel leak, and before it manages to land at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base in Goldsborough, the pilot says, all right, we're gonna keep flying. We want to try to burn off some gas. Hopefully this will prevent the plane from exploding if I try this risky land in.
The event that it doesn't go as expected. Anytime you're gliding into a landing link that any number of things could go wrong. So that is a standard operating procedure to do that.
So he's burning off the gas.
Unfortunately, though, the leak gets a lot worse, and so the crew turns around and start to approach Seymour Johnson. Five of these crewmen ejected out of a hatch you know, one by one, and the B fifty two could be seen by each of them from their parachutes, and it could be seen blowing up, breaking apart in mid air, and the two hydrogen bombs along with it, separated from the plane falling, falling, falling into the North Carolina fields.
And this is swampy land too. It's really important for the story. So one of the bombs has a parachute guiding its fall and it lands intact. The other one slams into the mud, like I said, going hundreds of miles an hour. It is wormed deep into the swamp and officials aren't able to get all of the pieces of this bomb. Some pieces are still there, according to the story, nearly two hundred feet beneath the grid, and only a single switch prevented this bomb from detonating. In our last episode we talked about mega tons. That's a million ton metric tons of TNT. This bomb was a two point four megaton bomb, and of course they tried to keep it secret, but it got declassified and if you look at the photos of the scene, it is terrifying. We got to introduce a hero to the story, Noel, Lieutenant Jack revel who was the bomb disposal expert who got the call to try to stop and disarm a nuclear.
Weapon, right, which I believe involves removing either the detonator or the explosive.
You have to have someone yelling at you about colors of wires, Okay, got it.
Yeah, or if you're in a leading tune, start tain just hitting it with a hammer right.
On the Yeah, and obviously the tenant jack is done. All of these. But yeah, you're you're right. The serious answer you gave is is correct. He would later say, I'll never forget hearing my sergeants say, Lieutenant, we found the arm safe switch. That's the switch that you know decides whether or not the bomb can detonate. And he thought, oh great, okay, something good happened. And then.
I was trying to mime out what it is. One way arm blows up, other way it doesn't blow up. Yeah, gave me the stranger just looking at it.
Well, it was a strange thing to be doing, Max, So luckily, luckily for everybody.
Luckily, it's weird between us, and I'm in a weird place, so I have to turn to see between you guys. But it's immensely fortunate that they were able to find this switch. The lieutenant is thinking, great, finally something's going right.
But the switch was armed, so it could have blown ups.
That's a big yikes. Max, I'm gonna need you to.
Keep your hands to yourself, buddy yourself. Yeah, that's a mega yikes. Another potential whoopsie resulting from an original whoopsie that was already a massive whipsie. Which these are official military terms, by the.
Way, Yes, these are official terms of nuclear nomenclature, engineering jargon. Whoopsies. So this could have easily killed tons and tons of people, and we're talking like thousands of folks could have died in the blasts. There would have been a radioactive cloud. Without knowing which direction the wind blew, we can still say that long term cancer rates would have skyrocketed in the area over time. If it hit in Raleigh, it would have taken out Raleigh, Chapel Hill, all the surrounding cities.
Yeah, because Indie Rock would have been decimated.
These bombs are more powerful than the ones that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Unbelievable. I mean, I'm I'm joking, but it's true. Raleigh Chapel Hill, the Research Triangle. It's the seat of Merge Records. And also I believe, well maybe now the mog Factory is in Ashville, but there used to have a presence there as well, or at least mog Fest that I went to once, but also incredible seats of academia, which I believe our buddies Will and Mangesh went to Duke University, which is in that general neck of.
The whip time at Duke as well, is pretty pretty cool place, and I'm glad it's still around.
Glad it didn't get decimated by an accidental atomic whoopsie, which I know is redundant to say an accidental whopsie.
But now you can go see evidence of this. There is a sign marker in Eureka and North Carolina, three miles away from the site of the nuclear mishap. The only evidence of this brush with disaster is a small patch of trees, some weird colored dirt in a field. Those are the only reminders of that fate full night. And this, of course is just one example. We have another example of a nuclear weapon falling off an aircraft carrier and politicizer, so totally disappeared. It might be out there right now. It might be.
Now.
I pictured it like living a weird secret life.
Until this went in Hanniballectre. You find out that your best friend is a nuclear bomb disguised as a person. How do you proceed? You were at my daughter's wedding.
I'll tell you how you proceed with caution? Yes, yeah, so oopsie off the back of him. Sorry, I'm not gonna stop saying that and make no apologies for it. Off the back of an aircraft carrier. How does that even happen?
You know, you get in situations.
Somebody had a little slipperoo and their hand graized the deploy nuke.
Which let's go to Mario Alvaro Limos for Esquire magazine. He says, no one knows where this bomb is. It's somewhere at the bottom of the Philippine Sea. In December nineteen sixty five, that aircraft carrier mentioned the USS Taekwonderoga, left the Subic Naval Base. This was at the time the largest overseas military base in the world for the US, and the Taekwonderoga sailed to the Philippine Sea. It participated in a naval exercise, so wargame basically, and during the exercise, the Navy aboard the Taekwonder Roga tried to move one of their fighter aircraft. And these carriers, the fact that they can launch planes is amazing, but also the space is like crazy tight. It's always interesting.
And you know in a movie if someone like a scientist or whatever gets picked up by an aircraft carrier and they're like the only one in there, you know.
Is serious, right exactly? Yeah, And the aircraft they're trying to move is what's called a Douglas A four E Skyhawk. It's being piloted by a guy named Lieutenant Douglas M. Webster. No relation to Douglas the Skyhawk or the firm, the tree or the firm, Yes, and no relation in Douglas Firm. Now, while they're moving this aircraft out of the hangar bay, it rolls over the side of the carrier, and it rolls over with the pilot still in it. The plane falls into the sea along with its payload, a B forty three nuclear bomb. It's tragic to report that the pilot, the plane, and the bomb, all three were lost and never recovered. To this day, there's somewhere four thy nine hundred meters at the bottom of the ocean.
Pretty wild. So that's that is Titanic level depths.
Correct, It's yeah, it's way deeper than the other stuff we're talking about. And this is something a point you brought up in episode one. Man, this is not a big, big story the US, like a carrier, is a small city, but it's a small city where every resident is directly controlled by the US got totally.
So they happened in isolation, or at least far enough out in the middle of nowhere that it wasn't like there were any Look you.
Lose right, right, and so Uncle Sam was able to keep this a secret from the rest of the world until nineteen eighty nine, and the accident was nicknamed Broken Arrow Incident of nineteen sixty five.
It's really creative.
It's super creative. For decades.
They were obviously working on that name totally. We're work shopping at you know, work. I gotta say that I do whatever, Yeah, one hundred percent. Filling out comment cards. I do love the the name.
Taekwonda Roga. There's a really good you're going to say. I was thinking about dread.
Drinks kind of club and they call it. I haven't been, but I've heard it's really good. It's great, and I love the name. It's very Western sounding, isn't it old Taekonderoga.
Just to bring back fall Out again, that is one of the main railroad hideouts and Fallout four or you meet high Rise and unfortunately does not end well for all of them there. But you know, I want to force in as many Fallout four references as I can.
There's a force I believe, the first defensive victory for American forces in the Revolutionary War.
Right, So there you go.
And the and the Fallout thing and the restaurant and the aircraft carrier of notes in this particular tail.
Guys, I can't hear you over my excitement of looking looking back at the Taekwonda Roga menu. Yeah, I gotta go.
They're good.
Yeah.
Speaking of which, did you hear that we're getting a Michelin guide here in Atlanta?
Yeah? I know, Michael Michael Jordan, the guy one of the food writers.
Oh okay, yeah, I just saw it. It came out and eat or whatever, but went to.
Uh, I think he went to our live panel with the lava for good guys, Oh, very cool.
Yeah, I didn't think I met him, but I did not realize Ben, that the Michelin system is city by city.
It's not.
I've always wondered how come we don't have any Michelin Star restaurants in Atlanta? Who because we were not part of the system. And now Atlanta has been deemed by the weird staypuffed marshmallow man guy to be worthy of Michelin Stars, Great food City Atlanta.
Which if you want to learn more about that, check out our episode on the Michelin.
Man Yes, which also goes into why the hell is this weird cartoon tire guy responsible for bestowing the crown jewels of restaurant accolades?
Why is this tire mascot an unhinged alcoholic clearly drives drunk.
Yeah, like that's weird fingers and cigars at one.
POINTZ Anyway, so the taikonderrok awesome name. They really should try the restaurant. It's great man. When you guys get a chance.
And.
The secret does eventually come out and Japan, remember they were participating in this training exercise. They launch a diplomatic inquiry into the incident and they're saying, hey, we should know if there's a nuclear weapon in the ocean near US. The carrier have been present in Japanese waters when this mishap occurred, and Japan does not allow nuclear weapons in its territory at all, full stop. And this is very sensitive. Remember it's nineteen sixty five. It's just a couple decades after America dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan. So they're feeling like the US misled them, which is totally true and valid, and they're feeling like they can't trust these people who are supposed to be there allies now. So this had huge geopolitical implications. Uh, the nuclear bomb, the B forty three that fell into the sea, was forty three times more powerful than the one dropped on Hiroshima, and the military denied that there would be any lasting environmental impact due to this. You could just put it there and they're like, hey, don't worry, it's a lot of water.
Okay, Now we're going to take this nuke party?
Is that a thing?
It is?
Now?
Can you have an would be got to be kind of fun, Yeah, like.
A party thing.
Yeah, Yeah, you've got biohazard suits, maybe got the little nuclear symbols.
Perhaps a centerpiece in the shape of a warhead.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And the snacks alone are all pun based. Yeah, like uh uh oh, let me let me like plutonium popcorn. You know what, what's a good play on crew today? Even though I really don't like there has to be one chromium rude to boom.
No, that's not good, Max. I will workshop this for a while, but this could be a fun theme party. But yeah, we're gonna take this, this nuclear themed cocktail party to as promised in episode one.
I believe Savannah Jojo.
Savannah Jojo, which is right in our neck of the woods, beautiful coastal spot here in our mainly landlocked state, really really really lovely place to visit, great food city as well, and the site of a broken arrow incident on the lovely Tybee Island. Literally refers to here as the Tybee Island broken arrow site.
That is amazingly creative, it really is. You know, I wonder how long they spent on that one, you know, so, okay, twelve foot long thermonuclear bomb. This is a true story, and we all if you live in this area, you hear some version of this inevitably. Growing up, there was an accident in nineteen fifty eight that resulted in the bomb being not accidentally but intentionally jettisoned from a B forty seven bomber in the wee hours sometime after midnight, right after they had crashed in mid air against an F eighty six fighter jet. A lot of you know, a disturbing amount of planes running into each other. Yeah, I feel like, no, we're not pilots, and of.
Course yes not air traffic controllers.
We're not ATC. So I think, like a lot of land lubbers, we make the assumption that there's so much sky out there and planes are so small in comparison that they could just sort of whiz by each other.
Yeah, but I mean the visibility is an issue obviously. And anyway, again, I don't know enough information about this world. Even conjecture, but turns out more common than you'd think. Be Have you happened to catch the recent or so ongoing Apple TV show Hijack.
I haven't watched it. It's very good.
It reminds me of those like two thousand's kind of ABC NBC the Ticking Clock kind of action shows like twenty four and things like that. But it's indris Elba and it's a commercial flight from Dubai to I believe London is hijacked and it's it's a scenario you've seen a million times, but they do it really, really cleverly, and at one point, which I believe is practice procedure for this, if there is an unresponsive plane, you get some attention from fighter jets.
I see. Yeah, that is.
Given the potential for that plane to be in the commission of a terrorist act. So that that's a very and not not spoiler. I won't go into what happens at all, but it's a I didn't really think about that, and it does make sense.
You got to have the comms and also unrelated to anything, I just want to point this out. This is credit where it's do. These new studios are great. There's a guy right outside. He's operating a leaf blower Max a leaf blower, Holy cow, And yeah, yeah you can see him.
Hey, I wouldn't you know what I wouldn't.
There is there is so and then we all know how much you love leaf blowers.
Thank you. I love how much of your life you've.
Spent, yeah, trying to record a podcast showing blowing leaves outside.
Your window to the point where he wrote a hit piece on leaf flowers. Yeah, but check that episode out. Yeah, you can check that out. You can also check out what Noel, what you're talking about with these the importance of communication amid aircraft, civilian, commercial, and of course military. The B forty seven again it feels like tale as old as time in this series. It's on a simulated combat mission flying out a Homestead Air Force Base in Florida, and when it gets to Savannah, it's like three point thirty am. They hit an F eighty six and three times. The B forty seven tries to land at Hunter Air Force Base in Georgia with that nuclear weapon on board, but the aircraft has just been walloped and this is weird. They couldn't slow down enough to land safely.
So game time decision, you know, do we get rid of this weapon, you know, rather than potentially exposing Hunter Air Force Base to this high explosive detonation, right mm hmm. So it's like, you know, it's it's a it's a very tense and last minute call.
Oh for sure. Yeah, And it's it's a call you have to make because you don't want to risk innocant lives there, and so the weapon gets jettisoned a few miles from the mouth of the Savannah River in Wassau Sound on Tybee Beach. Nobody knows exactly where it hit the water. We know it has dropped from a pretty high altitude seventy two hundred feet. No detonation occurred. The B forty seven did land safely, and the search for the thing began, a search that remains unsuccessful even now. In twenty twenty three, they searched three square miles. I can only imagine they used Bayesian inference. One would hope we're gonna name drop that constantly. I'm gonna do that all the time.
It definitely makes us sound like smarty pants is or frauds either way.
Yeah, it just.
It's gonna be hilarious when we run into someone who has studied it or understands it. Yeah.
I mean even the description that I read off of wiki whatever, I completely can't wrap my head around.
So they search for this, and regardless of what methods they use, they come up with bup gus and by April sixteenth, nineteen fifty eight, get this. They give up. They say, They just say, well, you know, Savannah is fine. It seems that way.
Let's just leave well enough alone what he said. Let's go chrit semescargo at the pirates house.
Let's get smescargo. Let's go dance in the Weeping Willows with the Spanish most.
Yeah, let's go watch Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil and other Savannah reference.
Let's see.
Yeah, let's go to the weird Let's go to some of the weird history museums. There's a few there are.
It's a very historic, beautiful street brun great real brunch city, oh my god, and thankfully one that has not yet been wiped off the map by this buried nuke.
Yes.
Yeah, so go get those eggs, Benedict. Gather ye eggs, Benedict, while you may so, Okay, people have been searching for this for a while. It's nineteen ninety eight. There's a retired military officer and his partner who decide they are going to discover this bomb. They're gonna find it for the guts, for the glory, right, And they interview the pilot who originally jettisoned it. They interviewed all the people they could find who searched for the bomb. Decades ago, and they said, all right, it's got to be somewhere with saw sound. And for years they just went back and forth by via boat. They had a Geiger counter behind them, hoping they could find.
There.
It is, Oh no, just a little bit max to say, just a little bit, just a little bit. But anyways, so they their thought is pretty solid. They say, okay, if we detect us spike and radiation from the Geiger counter on the boat, that will help us find what we're looking for. And one day they find it in the spot the pilot had described. There's a patch with radiation ten times the level of anywhere else. Makes that clickie clickie sound. Right, the clickety clackety right of the witch. I just rewatched the Witch.
Excellent picture.
Do you think those twins were witches?
Well, they were at very least under the sway of the witch.
And the degree. Yeah, I think that's right.
So at this point the government intervenes and sends out a cracked team of investigators to check out the scene, but unfortunately they didn't find the nuclear weapon. It turns out that this was as there was this clickety clackety they were talking about, was as a result of naturally occurring radiation from seabed minerals.
That's weird. Yeah, I didn't see that coming, No, I didn't. That's a world twist. Makes you reconsider swimming, but it sure does.
Like what if you just end up over a pocket of radioactive seabed minerals.
Random, Yeah, radiation emitting minerals. So that's a heck of a red herring. And that's that's a real uh, that's a real bummer. There have been more and more official attempts to locate this, most recently in two thousand and four. Again, as we said at the top, none have succeeded. The Air Force believes that thankfully, the nuclear capsule, the part of that makes it a nuclear bomb, was not in this device when it was lost, but no one's really sure. So right now, when you go get brunch in Savannah, look out across the water and think about the seventy six hundred pounds Mark fifteen bomb just waiting there Kuthulu like in the deep.
Indeed, it slumbers slumbers, yes, and with strange eons, and death may die.
And so before we end today's episode, we want to note again the broken arrowcases we know about are probably there's probably way fraction. Yeah, fraction.
I mean seriously again, because we know how close the government likes to play their whoopsies to the vest, and it is only when their hand is forced because of deepclassification that they release any information.
Even then it's.
Usually highly redacted. So surprising that we know what we know.
Yeah, that's a good way to look at Also, we don't know for sure about even US allies, like other countries also play this close to the chest. What about France? What about the United Kingdom? Not to mention things that are not part of five eyes, like what about the Soviet Union? How many do they lose? What about the PRC of China? We don't know much which about them, We don't have a full accounting. We know that the biggest mystery there is going to be the Soviet Union's nuclear past. They had a stockpile of forty five thousand nuclear weapons as of nineteen eighty six, and we know that there are cases where the Soviet Union lost nukes that has yet to retrieve. But unlike with the US incidents, the ones we know about occurred in submarines, which makes it way trickier to figure out what happened. To them. And then also because the ocean's a dynamic environment, these subs can drift after they disappear. In nineteen sixty eight, a Soviet K one nine sank in the Pacific Ocean just northwest of Hawaii with three nuclear missiles, and they there's a whole other story here. I think it's its own episode, absolutely, yeah, because this they said, we're going to try to retrieve this and see and they contact Howard Hughes, like billionaire Tony starkish Howard Hughes before he goes full crazy, and they say, you need to pretend to be interested in deep sea mining. And it's also I think we talked about this on stuff they want.
You know.
I think that's right. Yeah, gosh, the old brain cloud is starting to set in at the end of the day here, but it does ring a bell.
And I think we should, you know what, This is such a strange story. I think we're gonna save this one and maybe explore it in the future. And let's ring the bell on the episode. What do you say?
Yeah, remain in DAWs.
Remain in DAWs.
Grab your newspaper and cover your head.
Yeah.
Welcome to the Queen's Broadcast. You know, it's funny, just just one last little thing.
I wasn't looking up duck and Cover because I sort of misspoke, I think conflating.
I mean the eighties.
You know, obviously there was a period during the Cold War where nuclear attack was definitely still top of mind for a lot of For sure, duck and cover the original propaganda video we're talking about with YOURDLD, the turtle or whatever it was.
From the fifties.
But I found an article saying how the intent and the actual result of a lot of those videos was just to have people remain indoors, to shelter in place, you know, and that you could actually just by not going outside ultimately save a lot of lives.
You could.
Yeah, And also, did you clock what I was referring to? I said, welcome to the quiz broadcast made indoors.
Well, remain indoors is just from Michelin wellt Yes, yeah, the quiz broadcast is.
So it's really really great.
They're always referring to the event.
Yes, yeah, don't think about the event exactly, and they're always trying to guess at remnants of human civilism. I want to rewatch that, but for now I think We're going to roll out some thank yous, a cavalcade of thank yous to super producer Max kill Aton Williams, also our research associate for this series. Who else stole? Who else?
The j man old chromedome himself? Are our broken Arrow?
Oh he had longer hair? Yeah, our broken era Yeah? Oh gosh yeah. Jonathan Strickland, the aka the Quist. Wait did we say his name?
Freak?
You said the whole thing while looking into a mirror, because technically this glass here is a mirror, and I believe you just spun around in your seat in reverse a few times. So what does it mean, Ben? What does it mean?
Well, it means when need to wrap up this outro quick fast and in a hurry or else. Oh it's Jonathan strickly Ak, the Wuister. How could this happen? How could this happen?
It's like it's like that you ever read The Mangler by Stephen k You know how that the the laundry machine becomes possessed because somebody accident spills their jello into hemlock. And it's just this exact perfect storm of Oopsie's sorry that we've been talking about today.
I'm not going to stop using that term.
This is what happened with you. We looked into the mirror, we said your name three times or something, and then Ben spun around his chair backwards and here you are.
Look me and uh, bloody Mary and Candy Man been waiting, We've been snacking waiting and uh it's been been a real good time. How are they they could we're all we've all been at Pont City Market. No one told us that you moved, and uh that's floor is really there's a different group there. They are not as much fun.
Yeah that was by design man. Yeah, but you've outwitted us and found our new office clearly with no help from many one.
Know it's it took me a long time to walk here. It is not convenient.
And I mean those healings really helped you.
To see you see him scoot I see.
Yeah, I'll say this that ever since the cab avenue, they've repaved it and they got rid of that that suicide lane. Yeah, that's really helped out quite a bit. Like it really a smooth out. But I can just take that all the way up to Marrietta Street.
You've gotta you've got to tell us, Jonathan, Sure, long time, listeners will know that this is what you've described as the most cringe worthy segment in podcasting.
That's your description, it is, in fact my description.
What is the quister? What is what is this thing that's happened? It's been like, how long has it been? No?
I mean possibly a year, possibly more than.
Me a year?
Is I think so? And that's again yeah, I mean he just nowhere to find it. I thought we mentioned you every episode though, which is part of me. I think part of both of us.
Missed you a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, I missed you, guys.
So much like the way you miss a tumor is sort of.
Yeah, or you know, you miss it when you when you have a tooth knocked out and you can't help but put your tongue in the root and just root around, even though it kind of hurts too, you sort of still have to do it, Or.
Like when you're trying to shoot someone and you miss I have missed you several times.
Or like when you talk to a reporter and you explain that your whole tactic is to hold out until October and all the riders are no longer able to pay mortgages and rent and then you can force them to come back to your own terms like that, kind of like.
That swinging a miss, swinging a miss, because there are some levels of villainy that even you, the quizt would not see.
Yeah that's low, man, that's pretty low. Yeah. So this segment, I guess to finally get around to answering your question. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, is when I the quizz stir Jonathan Stricklett appear and quiz the two of you upon something possibly tangentially related to the episode topic at hand, No promise, And I give you three scenarios oh boy, two mean goose pot, two of which i'll reeal in one which I made up. Season it is your duty to find the one I made up. And and I decided, since you were talking about arrows what had been broken and nuclear packages what had been misplaced, that I would go with sort of a precursor what used to be considered one of the big weapons of the military age, far before nuclear age, and that would be ships.
Ships.
So the three scenarios which you'll be presented are all about ships what sunk. So I will read out the scenarios and then at the end I will give you the arbitrary rule I use where you can ask me a question, but you have to follow the arbitrary rule before before I'll accept it. All right, So here we go. Here are the scenarios. Come here the sad tale of the Jumpin' Java, an ill fated ship originally belonging to the Cunard Line. The jumpin Java reportedly got its name for the way the ship responded to particular choppy seas, and it did not enjoy a positive reputation. But that reputation absolutely sunk when the Java did as well in eighteen ninety five while on a voyage from San Francisco to New York. Of course, by then it was called the Lord Spencer of Jay Heron and Company, having undergone multiple name changes over the years. Scenario two listen unto me. The Morning Star was a ship originally launched by the British at Calcutta in eighteen thirteen, but her tenure was not long. She sadly met her and in eighteen fourteen, wrecking off the coast of Queensland. Later, another ship called the Eliza found five survivors marooned on wait for it, Booby Island.
And get this, but the Booby's like it's a bird, right, Yes, yes, they ruined something.
They explained that their captain, whose name I am not kidding was Robert Smart, had left earlier in a longboat with some men to row to time more. Only they never made it. So out of the crew of more than thirty, only five are known to have survived. The Morning Stars eighteen fourteen voyage scenario three. Hawk and hear the Sad Tale of the Campania.
No hark, not hocket.
Hawk and here the Sad Tale of the Campania. A ship that took inspiration from luxury liners such as the Titanic, but before she was to be fitted for luxury she had a more morbid purpose. The ship's maiden voyage was to transport soldiers remains post World War One from Turkey after the Brits had failed to invade Gallipoli. She would never get the chance to serve as a true luxury liner, as the ship hit wreckage off the coast of Southampton and sunk. All hands aboard were accounted for as survivors, and yet the dead numbered the living. Of course, that had been true since they had left Port.
Oh come, oh Come, And now that seems like a real potential for a ghost ship pretty good.
So the.
Arbitrary rule this time, if you do wish to ask me a question while you're deliberating, is that you must quote some sea shanty beforehand. You don't have to sing it, but you do.
Have to quote it.
We got what was the one? We got this? Well?
We got weller soon made the welleman come to bring us sugar into.
So Okay, so we have three minutes is how that's.
Usually how it goes. I don't remember. It's been a long time.
So we're gonna we thankfully got the grandfather he brought it over. Yeah, great expense, which is true because it's like ninety percent of our budget every year just to mate it. So we're gonna run over here and start this and go okay, okay, I'm gonna be honest.
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I think I know which one I thinks. I think it's two. Oh you think too is not true? I think two is. Oh wait, I think two is true.
Just completely zoning out. When I was spinning elbow.
I was listening, I was soaking it in. What can you do the singing thing for me?
I don't remember how.
It goes.
Soon me the wellaman, come, uh, do you realize how badly you don't played yourself?
How's that?
The quizter? The jump in Java?
Are you kidding? That's a coffee house? It is, in fact a coffee house.
You know.
Sometimes names come from other things. Sometimes someone takes a name and then they'll reuse that name names from Allow me to introduce you to the concept of the British monarchy.
Your game mark is making me question my question.
I mean, maybe you're right, maybe that is the wrong one.
Is that the one you walked through?
It was way easier to miss you when you were gone?
How can I miss you if you never leave?
So?
Okay, you can do we know? All right?
Okay?
So uh mister Bowlin.
Yeah.
So in scenario three.
Yes, scenario three the Campania.
The US fails to conquer, like the fails in the conflict with Turkey.
Well, it was really the UK.
It was the UK.
The Brits attempted to invade the the Gallipoli the peninsula of Gliboli in Turkey to get an area of operations, but the Turks were able to repel them at great cost.
Because they were beefed with the Ottomans.
Well, it was more that it was just trying to find another way to perhaps lessen the incredible pressure of the Western Front where things were not going well. I don't know if you know about World War One, but Western Front was pretty rough.
Hey man, I don't like your attitude. You can't talk to Ben like that.
There are numbers to world wars.
Well not at the time. They called it the Great War. They want so pessimistic as to call it World War One while it was happening.
They're learning so much.
What is a war? Really? You don't know what a war is.
I have no clue. I don't even speaking child.
What are you?
Why are you doing that? You're just wasting time? Now, that's true.
Happy to do it? The war?
When when a when a mommy nation and the daddy nation really hate each other?
And I mean, yeah, put it out there.
I feel pretty confident. Yeah, jumping job, I give me. You think it's one? Yeah, all right, I got your back. Let's look.
The idea of a jumping coffee bean is so corny and hokey. I do not believe that it is a construction of the past that was then repurposed by coffee shop.
All right, well we are at.
Time, so, uh there's the weirdest grandfather ever.
Again, it's very expensive.
It's a custom job to grandfather's clock, for sure.
So uh well, we'll maybe have Max put in a more prestigious so my grandfather clock. Uh no, I've got your back. Let's lock it in. Three. Two what scenario one? We'll go it with.
It feels so good to be back on.
So what.
One is true? It was a jumping Java. It was officially named the Java, but passengers referred to it as the Jumping Java. There was also there was sized jumping Java. In fact, yes, it's what it was called. And then it was for a while the SS Zealand it moved to the Red Star Line, not the White Star, the Red Star Line, and then it was known as the Electric before finally becoming Lord Spencer.
Was this scenario three?
That was three is taken from a Japanese anime, And it absolutely is not true.
I knew it.
I am so sorry. I feel like you absolutely fool. I was so confident about it. I'm not gonna lie to you, guys. I'm gonna go ahead and cop to something. I googled jump in Java and all I.
Got was coffee shop.
I mean, this is why this is what if you typed in Java eighteen sixty five you would find the ship referra.
I wouldn't have done that. That would have been a bridge too far.
I think it's worth it, though, because we got that awesome line from the quizz which is sometimes names come from other things, which was just peak snart.
I mean it really is if every name out there has only been used to one and one time.
Only, So you know what this means.
You see where I'm coming from, though, guys, I mean this, these these goofy coffee shop names like just sentience Bean, you know what I mean, or like the I literally saw one that was called Cafe Campusino a million percent, I mean that jittery Joe's frankly quister. It was a stroke of brilliance because you really that was a very good red herring.
Thank you.
Mugshot is a great name for a coffee place.
That's a fantastic you can get in a mug or as a shot, right right.
Uh So with that, gentleman, Max, you're part of this decision as well. I proposed to you, guys that we start a new chapter in the quistor beef, and we start.
We read, and so you're ahead one one not I think.
I think without that I would have been maybe two or perhaps even three behind.
You think I thought we were going to propose.
Since we're talking about lost nukes, like losing Jonathan in the bottom of a Mediterranean sea or something, I.
Feel like legally that counts as either hate speech or a threat.
Yeah. Also, what do you think of the name Chrome Doom.
I'm not a big fan of it. I mean, it's I'll respond to it, because honestly.
People.
Offensive as long as I get attention, really.
Whatever it takes.
A true story. Once I was at a grocery store and a little boy turned to his mother and said that man has no hair and pointed at me, and she was mortified, and I said, trust me, this is not how I learned.
That's fair.
That's fair. Well. Plus, we live in Atlanta, where I always try to explain this to people who are not from this country or this this part of this country, especially if you're from a place like Scandinavia or small talk's not really a thing, you know. I always have to make it clear to my friends, like, hey, when you come to this city. Strangers are going to talk to you as though they're vaguely related to you. Everybody kind of is going to treat you like a first or second cousin.
We take that for granted. I think living here and also, but you know, I think you and I are the three of us. The four of us are in other cities and other parts of the universe enough to see places where that is just not the case that all people make contact.
But here you'll have you'll you'll be walking down like our old alma matter of post lea or something, and someone might be This happened to me. This is the true story. I was walking home from work in our old office one day and a person I've never seen before since it was like.
Kubrick, Kubrick, like Stanley Kubrick.
Cool.
And so finally I turned and he was like, yeah, that's a nice fit man, you look like a director full metal jacket.
Was good.
Like, I think it's just because I had a cardigan. Okay, it's really for his cardigan. No, it doesn't make any sense, And that's just the kind of city we live in. So hopefully I say all that to say, hopefully, Jonathan think it was not trying to.
Be a not at all. He was just surprised. And again it didn't didn't bother me at all. It was an observation that happens to be true. I don't base my identity off my folicular deficiencies.
There we go, Well, we do.
Well, that's fair considering how I just trounced you.
All right, that's the spirit. So now that now we are officially uh what we've we've turned the tables. No, we're gonna have to summon the quiztor again. So we because you know what, bro this injustice will not.
Stand, no question about it. I'm ready to bring our a game. And it does seem like now since the questor knows where our physical location is, that this might be happening a little more frequently.
Yeah, I mean, I embrace yourselves.
I'm gonna be realistic and say, like, let's aim for a B plus game and maybe we'll impress ourselves.
That's fine. Listen, there's like a Fox Brothers right next door, So I am cool coming in as often as I need to. They got great smoked chicken wings. I don't know if you know, but man, Fox Withers is great.
Yeah, we've been talking a lot about restaurants this week.
Well, I am trying to narrow cast the show. Did you not know that I am narrow casting as hard as I can so that only people not just in Atlanta, but a very specific wedge of Atlanta will get the references.
Well, I'm actually gonna have a little date night with my lady tonight, so I'm gonna maybe try something new.
But thank you, yeahs, Ben, thank you, thank you NOL for this nuclear fantastic voyage that we've taken together.
And also with you Max Williams. Thanks, of course, I think we said it earlier to Alex Williams. Thanks to everybody for tuning in. That's the week for us. We hope you have a great weekend and we can't wait for you to join us next week when we put some animals on trial.
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