In this episode, Robert and Victor are joined by the former Australian Human Rights Commissioner, Professor Ed Santow. Ed currently leads Policy & Governance at the Human Technology Institute, and is an Industry Professor for Responsible Technology at the University of Technology Sydney. In this episode, we explore how technology in government can be a force for both good and bad, and how Governments can best approach decision-making in a way that best protects citizens and their rights. We also dissect facts and fiction in Ed's sock drawer.