Today we have the pleasure of sharing with you our conversation with Product Leadership Coach Andrew Tokeley, known by everyone as "Tokes".

Tokes is well known in the Aotearoa Product Community. He launched ProductTank Wellington and is chair of Product Aotearoa. His claim to fame is being the first Product Manager at Xero back in the day. He is currently focusing on Product Leaders in Aotearoa and developing a network of CPOs across the country. We dig into this and more in the episode!

Some things to put on your read and listen list:
Read:The VP Product Role (M. Cagan)
Listen: Unconformable Conversations with Josh Szeps
Listen: Left, Right & Center
Listen: Diary of a CEO

We hope you enjoy!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Today we have the pleasure of sharing with you our conversation with Product Leadership Coach <a href="https://www.andrewtokeley.com/">Andrew Tokeley</a>, known by everyone as "Tokes".
Tokes is well known in the Aotearoa Product Community. He launched ProductTank Wellington and is chair of Product Aotearoa. His claim to fame is being the first Product Manager at Xero back in the day. He is currently focusing on Product Leaders in Aotearoa and developing a network of CPOs across the country. We dig into this and more in the episode!
Some things to put on your read and listen list:
<ul>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.svpg.com/the-vp-product-role/">The VP Product Role </a>(M. Cagan)</li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/2I6TDCnC5EuGHNhAsBmKl5?si=72690d86d10f46f1">Unconformable Conversations</a> with Josh Szeps</li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/news/shows/left-right-center">Left, Right &amp; Center</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://stevenbartlett.com/doac/">Diary of a CEO</a></li>
</ul>
We hope you enjoy!
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

We are Product Managers based in Wellington, New Zealand. We want to inspire Product Managers on their product journey. Every couple of weeks we invite a product person to tell us about how they got into product and to share some gold nuggets they have found on that journey.

Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

We are Product Managers based in Wellington, New Zealand. We want to inspire Product Managers on their product journey. Every couple of weeks we invite a product person to tell us about how they got into product and to share some gold nuggets they have found on that journey.
Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

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Andrew "Tokes" Tokeley: product leadership aspirations and connecting CPOs

In this episode we welcome Corinna Stukan to talk about the topic of data! Corinna is the author of The Insights Driven Product Manager: Master Product Metrics And Uncover True Data Insights.
Gumroad - ebook
Amazon - paperback or Kindle

We have an amazing conversation that explore some of the many complexities around making great decisions as a product person using data.

Some key areas we explore are:
Understanding the value your products are delivering and how you can prove that through data.
How data can help you make good decisions as a PM.
What are the ways you should approach setting up a data culture.
What are some common pitfalls and how can you avoid vanity metrics.
The key metrics you should pay attention to for your business 
Read: Zero to One by Peter Thiel
Listen: ReThinking with Adam Grant

We hope you enjoy!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

In this episode we welcome <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/corinna-stukan/">Corinna Stukan</a> to talk about the topic of data! Corinna is the author of The Insights Driven Product Manager: Master Product Metrics And Uncover True Data Insights. <a href="https://www.insightsdrivenpm.com/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.insightsdrivenpm.com/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1726003286489000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2ecZ67lcH618Kf265aIwru">Gumroad - ebook</a> <a href="https://www.amazon.com/au/dp/B0DDJYDQCY" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.amazon.com/au/dp/B0DDJYDQCY&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1726003286489000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1gyniF2d_7i_oU8ip6TO2Y">Amazon - paperback or Kindle</a>
We have an amazing conversation that explore some of the many complexities around making great decisions as a product person using data.
Some key areas we explore are:
<ul>
<li>Understanding the value your products are delivering and how you can prove that through data.</li>
<li>How data can help you make good decisions as a PM.</li>
<li>What are the ways you should approach setting up a data culture.</li>
<li>What are <a href="https://amplitude.com/blog/product-metric-pitfalls">some common pitfalls</a> and how can you avoid vanity metrics.</li>
<li>The key metrics you should pay attention to for your business </li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.amazon.com.au/Zero-One-Notes-Start-Future-ebook/dp/B00KHX0II4">Zero to One</a> by Peter Thiel</li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://adamgrant.net/podcasts/">ReThinking with Adam Grant</a></li>
</ul>
We hope you enjoy!
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Corinna Stukan: does data drive your organisation?

In this episode of Product Journeys, we speak to Product Leader and Consultant Anthony Marter. on the topic of business acumen and his work to bring Product Leaders in Aotearoa together.

Anthony is chair of Product Aotearoa and co-founder of ProductTank Auckland. Anthony spoke at ProductTank Auckland with Melissa Firth, who we interviewed in Season 1, Episode 42. Listen to their talk: World Product Day - Getting real on commercial acumen.

Some of the key takeaways from this conversation:
How to start thinking about business acumen and some small steps to begin learning and flexing that muscle
Bridging the gap between Product Leaders and the Exec Table
Why solving organisational problems is key for Product to thrive
Read: Turn the Ship Around by L. David Marquet
Listen: One Knight in Product Podcast

We hope you enjoy!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

In this episode of Product Journeys, we speak to Product Leader and Consultant <a href="https://nz.linkedin.com/in/anthonymarter">Anthony Marter.</a> on the topic of business acumen and his work to bring Product Leaders in Aotearoa together.
Anthony is chair of <a href="https://productaotearoa.org.nz/about/">Product Aotearoa</a> and co-founder of ProductTank Auckland. Anthony spoke at ProductTank Auckland with Melissa Firth, who we interviewed in Season 1, Episode 42. Listen to their talk: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XVKgbubj7o">World Product Day - Getting real on commercial acumen.</a>
Some of the key takeaways from this conversation:
<ul>
<li>How to start thinking about business acumen and some small steps to begin learning and flexing that muscle</li>
<li>Bridging the gap between Product Leaders and the Exec Table</li>
<li>Why solving organisational problems is key for Product to thrive</li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://davidmarquet.com/turn-the-ship-around-book/">Turn the Ship Around</a> by L. David Marquet</li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.oneknightinproduct.com/">One Knight in Product Podcast</a></li>
</ul>
We hope you enjoy!
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

Anthony Marter: what keeps your CPO up at night?

In this episode of Product Journeys, hosts Fran Gleisner and Lauchlan Robertson go on a journey with Andy Hovey, from Xero to Xerra (but not yet Xerox), and dipping into the Andes on the back of a bike.

Andy has worked on websites, apps and software for over two decades. He’s currently the Chief Product Officer at Starboard, a ~25 person company making geospatial maritime software that governments buy to tackle issues like illegal fishing, biosecurity risks and smuggling at sea. Previously he’s led teams designing software that’s used by millions of people around the globe at technology companies like Xero and Amazon. He’s an enthusiastic but slow cyclist that likes long cycle touring trips and exploring the limits of what’s possible in ultra-endurance bikepacking races.

In this episode we dig into how to think about high performing teams (described as dots), how to think about impact that doesn't involve just shipping a feature, and how great features take many many many many small changes.

What you'll learn:
Why it's worth potentially expanding beyond your Job Description (JD)
Using OKRs to drive collaboration in a company
How feedback and collaboration can be combined
Giggly demos and why it's important to just play with your product

Read & listen:
Creative Selection by Ken Kocienda
Creativity, Inc. by Ed Catmull
The mom test
Gibson Biddle on Medium
Sam Harris and Lex Fridman podcasts

We hope you enjoy!

Please follow us and share with your colleagues and network. We've got an exciting season ahead so make sure you subscribe on your platform of choice!

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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.

Get in touch: productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com

Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson
Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

In this episode of Product Journeys, hosts Fran Gleisner and Lauchlan Robertson go on a journey with Andy Hovey, from Xero to Xerra (but not yet Xerox), and dipping into the Andes on the back of a bike.
Andy has worked on websites, apps and software for over two decades. He’s currently the Chief Product Officer at <a href="https://starboard.nz/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://starboard.nz/&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1723492464269000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3ds4XGuc6qGZ1kpgeEdn0-">Starboard</a>, a ~25 person company making geospatial maritime software that governments buy to tackle issues like illegal fishing, biosecurity risks and smuggling at sea. Previously he’s led teams designing software that’s used by millions of people around the globe at technology companies like Xero and Amazon. He’s an enthusiastic but slow cyclist that likes long cycle touring trips and exploring the limits of what’s possible in ultra-endurance bikepacking races.
In this episode we dig into how to think about high performing teams (described as dots), how to think about impact that doesn't involve just shipping a feature, and how great features take many many many many small changes.
What you'll learn:
<ul>
<li>Why it's worth potentially expanding beyond your Job Description (JD)</li>
<li>Using OKRs to drive collaboration in a company</li>
<li>How feedback and collaboration can be combined</li>
<li>Giggly demos and why it's important to just play with your product</li>
</ul>
Read &amp; listen:
<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37638098-creative-selection">Creative Selection </a>by Ken Kocienda</li>
<li><a href="https://www.penguin.co.nz/books/creativity-inc-9780593070109">Creativity, Inc.</a> by Ed Catmull</li>
<li><a href="https://www.momtestbook.com/">The mom test</a></li>
<li><a href="https://gibsonbiddle.medium.com/">Gibson Biddle </a>on Medium</li>
<li><a href="https://www.samharris.org/podcasts">Sam Harris </a>and <a href="https://lexfridman.com/podcast/">Lex Fridman</a> podcasts</li>
</ul>
We hope you enjoy!
Please follow us and share with your colleagues and network. We've got an exciting season ahead so make sure you subscribe on your platform of choice!
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We are Fran and Lauchlan, both Product Managers, and we are discovering the diverse skills and experience that are out there in the product world. We aim to inspire product people on their journeys. Opinions expressed are solely our own and do not express the views of our employers.
Get in touch: <a href="mailto:productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com">productjourneyspodcast@gmail.com</a>
Presenters: Fran Gleisner, Lauchlan Robertson Music Credit: Harry Charles - Deer Park Remix

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