Chief Albert John Mvumbi Luthuli was Africa’s first Nobel Peace Prize Laureate in 1960 for his peaceful opposition to apartheid. He was also the President-General of the ANC from December 1952 until his passing in 1967. The Chief was most revered for his tenure as an African leader of his era despite being a latecomer to the table of politics. He was 54 when he became a leader in the ANC. For this conversation, we want to get into how a teacher, described as culturally ambivalent balancing Westernised values while practicing traces of traditionalist ideologies was appointed to become chief of his village Groutville in KZN and more. Chair of the Chief Albert Luthuli at UNISA, Professor Puleng Segalo, along with the Spokesperson of the Luthuli family, Sandile Luthuli, join Lerato Mbele for the conversation.