In a historic decision, the National Assembly voted for the impeachment of two judges — suspended judge president John Hlophe and retired judge Nkola Motata — nearly 20 years after complaints were first laid against them. For a judge to be removed from office, the National Assembly must pass a resolution with a two-thirds majority, which is 267 votes. On Wednesday, the National Assembly voted with more than two-thirds majority in favour of their removal. The Judicial Service Commission found Hlophe guilty of gross misconduct, saying he had attempted to improperly influence Constitutional Court judges Bess Nkabinde and Chris Jafta to decide matters in favour of then-ANC president Jacob Zuma. In this conversation, we talk about the impeachment