In October, Russia expressed reservations about the U.S. president's assertion that Washington should be the driving force behind a new "world order," dismissing it as an outdated and overly American-centric vision. Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov emphasised the need for a "new world order" but argued against concentrating all global governance mechanisms in the hands of one state, particularly the United States. He stated that any new system should be free from such dominance. Furthermore, he insisted that the world will no longer revolve solely around the United States, pointing to the emergence of alternative global formations like BRICS. This alliance allows resource-rich and labour-abundant countries to create a new trading system, enhancing their influence in the evolving world order. In this conversation, our aim is to delve into what a new world order entails, particularly in the context of alternative global formations, and to monitor developments that showcase the rise of influential players worldwide.                Distinguished Professor and Director of the Centre for Social Change at the University of Johannesburg Patrick Bond joins Lerato Mbele for the conversation.