On June 27, 2024, several Legacy Foundations made a call to “to the people of South Africa to join in a National Dialogue to reorientate the direction of our nation,” after many years of decline in which the promise of April 1994 had been broken. We do not claim to have been the first to have made such a call, it had in fact been made by many South Africans over the years. Mbuyiseni Ndlozi is in conversation with Desmond and Leah Tutu Foundation CEO, Janet Jobson.