It’s time for the final Round Table, but Will and Rider aren’t ready to leave the castle as they recap the penultimate episode of The Traitors Season 4. 

Mark Ballas may be a ballroom legend, but our hosts have some hard truths about how he’s played the game.

Will reveals why Rob is still the “smart” Traitor, but Rider is shocked that Maura hasn’t caught onto his strategy. But he still has hope she can pull ahead and win the entire show. 

Plus, we hear Will and Rider’s expert opinions on who should be the final killings AND what reality show is next for the podcast - all this week’s Pod Meets Twirl’d: Traiting Places!

It&rsquo;s time for the final Round Table, but Will and Rider aren&rsquo;t ready to leave the castle as they recap the penultimate episode of The Traitors Season 4.&nbsp;
Mark Ballas may be a ballroom legend, but our hosts have some hard truths about how he&rsquo;s played the game.
Will reveals why Rob is still the &ldquo;smart&rdquo; Traitor, but Rider is shocked that Maura hasn&rsquo;t caught onto his strategy. But he still has hope she can pull ahead and win the entire show.&nbsp;
Plus, we hear Will and Rider&rsquo;s expert opinions&nbsp;on who should be the final killings AND what reality show is next for the podcast - all this week&rsquo;s Pod&nbsp;Meets Twirl&rsquo;d: Traiting&nbsp;Places!

Pod Meets World's Will Friedle & Rider Strong were sitcom stars 30 years ago. The concept of reality TV is honestly pretty foreign to them. But when their best friend Danielle Fishel competed on Dancing with the Stars in 2025, the boys committed to watching their first TV dance competition, and quickly became addicted. And undeniable experts. That is, if you ask them.

 

With their podcast, Pod Meets Twirl'd, they decided to share their newfound discovery, and self proclaimed expertise, of unscripted TV and now they'll continue their journey through the genre. The newly formed cultural thought leaders are ready to start recapping, reviewing and rehashing all the hottest reality shows! Even if they've never never seen it before.

 

First up, the show Rider has never heard of and Will THINKS he can win - Traitors! 

Pod Meets World's Will Friedle &amp; Rider Strong were sitcom stars 30 years ago. The concept of reality TV is honestly pretty foreign to them. But when&nbsp;their best friend Danielle Fishel competed on Dancing with the Stars in 2025, the boys committed to watching their first TV dance competition, and quickly became addicted. And undeniable experts. That is, if you ask them.
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With&nbsp;their podcast, Pod Meets Twirl'd, they decided to share their newfound discovery, and self proclaimed expertise, of unscripted TV and now they'll continue their&nbsp;journey through the genre. The newly formed cultural thought leaders are ready to start recapping, reviewing and rehashing all the hottest reality shows! Even if they've never never seen it before.
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First up, the show Rider has never heard of and Will THINKS he can win - Traitors!&nbsp;

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We're sending you to 1993 when TGIF reigned supreme and “Boy Meets World” first premiered. Danielle, Will and Rider are going back to school as they rewatch every episode of the iconic series, sharing memories, behind the scenes moments, and all the “Boy Meets World” stories a fan could ever want. Relive your first crush, first kiss, favorite moments and all the life lessons with Topanga, Eric, and Shawn.

We're sending you to 1993 when TGIF reigned supreme and “Boy Meets World” first premiered. Danielle, Will and Rider are going back to school as they rewatch every episode of the iconic series, sharing memories, behind the scenes moments, and all the “Boy Meets World” stories a fan could ever want. Relive your first crush, first kiss, favorite moments and all the life lessons with Topanga, Eric, and Shawn.

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Even though they are clearly reality TV experts already, Will and Rider are always on the pursuit of a higher education, so they’ve called in Chad Kultgen, a true connoisseur of the medium, and the author of “How to Win The Bachelor,” to help explain some important strategies to victory. 

Chad breaks down the jaw-dropping backstory of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and reveals his pitch for the “ideal” dating show. 

Find out why Chad considers The Traitors the best reality show ever created, what decisions can lead to victory and why Will calls Chad “reality TV Yoda,” as we call in the big guns, for Pod Meets Twirl’d: Traiting Places!

Even though they are clearly reality TV experts already, Will and Rider are always on the pursuit of a higher education, so they&rsquo;ve called in Chad Kultgen, a true connoisseur of the medium, and the author of &ldquo;How to Win The Bachelor,&rdquo; to help explain some important strategies to victory.&nbsp;
Chad breaks down the jaw-dropping backstory of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and reveals his pitch for the &ldquo;ideal&rdquo; dating show.&nbsp;
Find out why Chad considers The Traitors the best reality show ever created, what decisions can lead to victory and why Will calls Chad &ldquo;reality TV Yoda,&rdquo; as we call in the big guns, for Pod Meets Twirl&rsquo;d: Traiting Places!

Pod Meets Twirl'd: Reality Tactics with Chad Kultgen

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Will and Rider may have The Traitors all figured out, but they've still only dipped their toes into the Bravo-verse!  And so they've called in an expert in the form of Ben Mandelker from the hit podcast, "Watch What Crappens."

 

Ben shares a Real Housewives lore dump to get Will and Rider caught up on 20 years of inside jokes and the gang dives deep into how the Real Housewives have more in common with pro wrestling than reality shows. 

 

Plus, Ben helps Will and Rider unpack the tense and controversial moment between Colton Underwood and Michael Rapaport - right here, alongside 3 experts on Pod Meets Twirl'd: Traiting Places!

Will and Rider may have The Traitors all figured out, but they've still only dipped their&nbsp;toes into the Bravo-verse!&nbsp; And so they've called in an expert in the form of&nbsp;Ben Mandelker from the hit podcast, "Watch What Crappens."
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Ben shares a Real Housewives lore dump to get Will and Rider caught up on 20 years of inside jokes and the gang dives deep into how the Real&nbsp;Housewives have more in common with pro wrestling than reality shows.&nbsp;
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Plus, Ben helps Will and Rider unpack the tense and controversial moment between Colton Underwood and Michael Rapaport - right here, alongside 3 experts on Pod Meets Twirl'd: Traiting Places!

Pod Meets Twirl'd: Turret Talk with Ben Mandelker (Watch What Crappens)

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Will and Rider have emerged from the turret and are ready for another Season 4 recap of The Traitors!

 

The boys think they’ve hit a turning point, taking the season from fun to phenomenal. They love the dynamic between Rob and Eric, but admit it’s tough to ignore the castle’s paranoia since Michael Rapaport’s elimination.

 

But even with that in mind - our hosts can’t help but admire Rob’s strategy and wonder if he’s the the undeniable favorite to win it all. 

 

Plus, Will shares his idea to incentivize the rewards, but could it work in a castle of traitors?? Nothing is sacred on Pod Meets Twirl’d: Traiting Places! 

Will and Rider have emerged from the turret and are ready for another Season 4 recap of&nbsp;The Traitors!
&nbsp;
The boys think they&rsquo;ve hit a turning point, taking the season from fun to phenomenal. They love the dynamic between Rob and Eric, but admit it&rsquo;s tough to ignore the castle&rsquo;s paranoia since Michael Rapaport&rsquo;s elimination.
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But even with that in mind - our hosts can&rsquo;t help but admire Rob&rsquo;s strategy and wonder if he&rsquo;s the the undeniable favorite to win it all.&nbsp;
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Plus, Will shares his idea to incentivize the rewards, but could it work in a castle of traitors?? Nothing is sacred on Pod Meets Twirl&rsquo;d: Traiting&nbsp;Places!&nbsp;

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