Samara chats with the California congresswoman who resigned in November—about how to actually run for office, the politics of politics on Capitol Hill, and what it was like to weather a very public shaming—and how to write and deliver a speech in the midst of it. With lots of swearing and free-flowing rosé, this is a bit of a departure from the rest of Katie’s press tour for her new book, She Will Rise: Becoming a Warrior in the Battle for True Equality, but permission to speak, amirite??

Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision doublevisionprojects.com

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin

Samara on IG: @samarabay

Cat on IG: @catburt & @doublevisionprojects

Katie on Twitter: @katiehill4CA

Katie’s book: indiebound.org/book/9781538737002

AOC quote: twitter.com/AOC/status/1133383123503321090

Kamala & Sarah Cooper **MUST WATCH**: youtube.com/watch?v=QfU7O2ghg3k

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