Samara chats with the internationally beloved cartoonist and The Simpsons artist about how to be creative when the world is a mess and we’re not in the mood to make things that are optimistic or silly or beautiful. They discuss where ideas come from, how to overcome a work culture that doesn’t take you seriously, the surprise impact Dungeons & Dragons had on her career, and how to become your own best cheerleader after a lifetime of playing small.

Host: Samara Bay

Executive producers: Catherine Burt Cantin & Mark Cantin, Double Vision doublevisionprojects.com

Producers: Samara Bay, Sophie Lichterman and the iHeart team

Theme music: Mark Cantin

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