On today's show, Lily Brown soft launches her new man, Michael Finch breaks silence on friendship, breakdown with Sky Wheatley, Molly May gives baby name clues, and the much anticipated Haley Beaber interview. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I've just finished penning a very angry etow. So, for those who have been following along at home, I am going through a bit of a skin journey where I'm trying to get rid of my pigmentation, and I have gone through this whole course of chemical pill treatments only to find out from my new dermatologists that I should never have been recommended to them. Basically, you found out that they're a load of shit for what you need done. Yeah, my dermatologists is like, well, your freckles are actually a lot deeper and there's no way any chemical pill is going to lift them. You need ipl laser And that is what I actually went in and asked this skin clinic for. In the first place, I think where you went wrong was not going to a dermatologist first. So that's really a bit of a tiar for the listeners. Well, I thought they were dermatologists. They touted themselves as having doctors and nurses on board. But yeah, I highly recommend going to a dermatologist. I also got my skin check and it was all good. So again, just a reminder for everyone to do the same. So, Kate, will we see updates after you've been lazer? Because I watched a vlog the other day and Sophie and I have had laser ourselves. It's extreme. I kind of want to follow altiating pain. That's probably the worst thing I've ever done in my whole life. It depends if there's good results. Maybe I'll share it once. They have really nice quiz. But it's a bit different now, isn't it. They've kind of modernized the process because Amy and I had it done probably five years ago, and we didn't have any numbing cream and we came out we looked horrendous. Did well, I'll keep you guys updated. I think it is still going to be painful. Well, I'm Amy Torbert and I've got a painful experience of my own coming up over the weekend. Because Dale and I have stupidly organized our engagement party at our house, and there is so much to do. Again, it's not this weekend though, No, no it's not. But the whole backyard needs to like the pergola needs to be pained, said, there's so much that needs to be done. I don't mean to be I told you so again, but we did point out that it might be a bit difficult and a bit of a quick time frame to move around. Dale and I are literally the same person. We thrive off this kind of time. You need the pressure. You're a little bit both disorganized and you have these big hopes but not really the skills to execute them. Because my Hen's party is the first weekend of November, We've got you've got a work thing on the following weekend, and then that weekend then is your engagement part. I know that's my I'm going to be where. It's a long weekend, so I'm going to be in that backyard. We're also going to be painting the kitchen. There's so much going on. Do you really need to paint the kitchen? Like? I think you need a prioritize focus on the stupidest stuff. I mean, I came over and you've got these boxes of Christmas lights ready for to deck out the backyard for the party, and it's like, I don't think that's a number one priority. My theme is white and gold. Okay, so if you need any help, let us know. I just feel like if you have a backyard and maybe it doesn't look amazing, if you've got gold lights every day, I think we've got as dark as well. Can had a lot of things. Well, I'm Sophie Tilbert and I'm also planning my engagement party, but I don't want to be rushed off my feet that day, so I've booked in a venue by the beach, and I think I'm doing the complete opposite to you, Amy. I think it'd be much more children. I was the most low key because I didn't have any party because I got proposed to at our housewarming, so rees said that was an engagement party, which it wasn't. But maybe we'll have to do a real on your engagement party and then a reeal on mine and ask the listeners which one they would have preferred to have gone. I do want some help from the listeners though, because I only found out about my location, which is a surf lifesaving club because I saw this Adelaide influencer having her engagement party. Were influenced. Yeah, I was influenced. And it's funny. I said to the guy I saw on this girl's page. He's like, oh my god, We've had so many requests her. But when I stepped inside the venue, I was like, this looks completely different because she had this really cool curtain set up over all. You know, surf life saving clubs, how to have all the awards up. You don't really want that one. I'm trying to look for some curtains, but I don't know where to get them from because someone sent me through some suggestion she would have hired them. Yeah, yeah, she hired them. But I'm so lost it, you know, because there's sheer ones. There's just so many to pick from. It if anyone's planned an engagement party and has them. I was tempted to reach out to this girl, but I'm not going to and I would appreciate if you guys respect both of our privacy, But basically, yes, I am single right now. So this week, a very juicy DM dropped into our inbox. So one of our listeners has reached out and they said that they spotted former couple Madison Wooley and Jonathan sour out having dinner together. Now, this lovely listener sent us photo as proof. So she actually went up to the couple and we're like, oh, can I have a photo with you? Guys? The couple. Okay, you're getting ahead of yourself. Former couple. Well, it seems like things are back on together. So this was on the eleventh of September, and apparently they had been out to a rugby match together, and we're having dinner and drinks at a pub and they see very couple. I'm sorry, I can't imagine Madison Woolly just going out with a friend to a rugby match. You only go to a boring sporting match like that with the guy your ex boyfriend. Yeah, it's not just today. There's obviously some history going on. I would actually like to see these two back together. I want to see more content with them. I want to see their vlogs. I think they're stronger together. I think they're more of a brand together. So just for a little bit of a timeline, Madison announced that she had broken up with Jonathan back in July twenty twenty one. Now, she made this announcement just before Sydney and New South Wales went into a big lockdown, which seems like it would have been a bit of a mistake to break up with your boyfriend then, and it seemed like the couple were very on and off for quite a while. I think they kind of ended things. That appears early this year. Who could forget our episode on the Man in the Mirror exactly. There were a lot of clues that these two were together. So I'm wondering if they're going to start dropping clues now. Yea, because they were caught together, as you say, Amy, during lockdown. So Jonathan was in the whilst Madison was making two cocktails for the two of them to enjoy whilst they were stuck inside. But what about this Sky Moody because he was rumored to be dating Sky. And remember in an episode of Madison's podcast, Girl Coach, she spoke about running into Jonathan whilst he was on a date just before she went away to Europe. Yeah, so Jonathan and Sky did seem like they were a bit of a couple. So he lives in Sydney and Sky lives in Queensland, so he went across for the weekend, and they were sharing pictures out and about. On this sort of date day, they went to an adventure park and they went on a helicopter ride, so it seemed like things were looking pretty good for them. They also went to the Stacks event together because they were spotted in the second row. But I think it was SOFIDFA accidentally exposed them there together because they didn't share that they were together. They've actually they've already done the little soft launch thing. They haven't appeared in one another's feeds. Yeah, so things seem to be pretty good between those guys. However, when you have a look through Sky's Instagram feed, Jonathan hasn't liked her photos since all August thirtieth, and then she shared a very telling post on the third of September. So she was wearing this black leotard and she wrote the caption more than you Can Handle with a black flag emoji. Now I had to look at Jonathan's page and Sky hadn't liked anything since the sixth of September, which kind of fits this timeline of him seeing Madison out. On the eleventh of September, however, she threw a spanner in the works and has confused me because Sky liked one of Jonathan's most recent reels and in the real he is sipping on champagne having lunch at a winery with the caption out of office for the weekend, and this post has Madison wooly all over it, and I'm pretty sure she is eating with him. So if Sky maybe liking the post to be like, fuck you, I know what's going on? Or is she a blieveing blissfully unaware, because I feel like this is taking a bit of detective work and a bit of sleuth's coming into the DM. She might not know what's going on. If she's living in Brisbane, it might be. I don't really feel like her and Jonathan were officially an item. I feel like it was a bit of a fight. You can tell things are on the rocks when people aren't liking each other's photos, and previously they'd been liking every other post. Another interesting element is that Madison and Jonathan aren't following each other on Instagram. I feel like Madison's the sort of person that would have seen Jonathan with a new love interest and gone I want him back, because we know she's the one who broke up with him. Well, people always look better when they're with someone else, and she saw him as you said earlier, right before she went to Europe, and after listening to her recount of her European holiday, because she had pumped it up as I'm going to hook up with all the hot guys overseas, one she either was missing Jonathan and regretting her decision, or two realized that maybe there aren't better guys out there, because she's seen pretty disappointed with the lack of talent that was available on this European holiday. The thing that will be tough for Madison to come back from is the fact that she has shitcanned him on her podcast because she didn't fully go into a lot of details, but there's been a lot of oh my ex did this, and my ex did that. It's kind of like when you slag your ex off to a friend and then you have to admit, oh, actually, I've taken him back. I don't think Caitlyn will be happy, because Caitlyn sounds like she hates his guys well. Talking about Caitlin recently on their podcast Girl Code, Madison has been talking about how she's actually been on a date with one of Caitlyn's partner's friends. So I wonder how that is all gonna work, because again, there was a time when Madison was talking a lot about this roster of guys that she'd put together, But once she was back to Europe, she was saying that she wasn't dating anymore and focusing on herself. So I feel like there's something fishy going on. She's also heading to America soon, and she's been talking about is it not mister Bottles of Smiths, mister La that she's meeting up with, so clearly from Rayah, of course. But yeah, I wonder how that will go because it'd be tough trying to get back together from a fractured relationship. I mean, they broke up probably three or four times already. Tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't she get a trip for Jonathan or something for his birthday to America? Maybe? Oh, maybe they've reid something so maybe someone to travel with. Maybe they were both still planning on using the tickets or something. So she's going to go cup with mister La while she's on a trip with her ex boyfriend, though only time will tell. I feel like we won't be hearing about what's actually going on until probably six months after it's happened. Though, on the podcast, this has got a lot of Sammy Robinson Jordan vibes happening because remember they kept getting spotted out and none of them would say, actually what was going on. So if any other listeners have any juicy details for us, send them in. We are now back from our day out. I've had a quick shower. I've also had a little nap Whilst they were Zoe, Danny an Tommy. They went to the gym and I and trained, and obviously I stayed on the bed eating chocolate biscuits and watching a film. Obviously, then I fell asleep for an hour as well. It was just really just what I needed. Since announcing her pregnancy on Sunday, Molly may Haig has revealed more baby news. After hiding her baby bump for over five months, the former Love Islander is ready to share her pregnancy journey with her followers. Kay what do we know so far? Well, Molly was kind enough to put up a Q and a box on her Insta story and said she was going to answer a whole bunch of questions in a new YouTube video. However, she gave fans what they were looking for and answered a couple of the questions. So someone asked Molly if it's been hard to hide her pregnancy, and she said, strangely, it wasn't. So her aim was to hide it for five months, and she said that she was able to exceed that five months, so I'm guessing she's around the sixth month mark now. Someone asked also if they have done any baby shopping, and I thought it was quite cute. Molly was saying that they've really wanted to, but of course if they get spotted in a baby section by the paparazzi, there's going to be heaps of stories about it. So she said that her and Tommy have sort of snuck into the baby section and have loudly talked about, oh, we're getting this for your cousin's baby shower, just so they can have a look at what's around now. Molly also said that she's been lucky that she hasn't had any sickness during her pregnancy. She said she had a little bit of nausea, however, during her first homester she was able to fix this by just having a lot of snacks and meals. That's probably why she's been able to keep it a secret for so long, though, because if you look at Martha Callifetita, I'm sure they would have wanted to keep that secret for a bit longer. I did find her approach to the pregnancy quite interesting in regards of her YouTube, because she was asked if she filmed breaking the announcement to her friends or family, and she said that it felt a little bit unnatural to do that. And I kind of like that because when I have seen YouTubers in the past, you know, setting up the camera and getting everyone crying, I don't know, I found it a bit cringe because I feel like that's a really personal moment. Yeah, it all seems a little bit contrived. It was interesting though, hearing that, because she spoke about how she did actually film Tommy's response. However, she was saying that she wasn't able to film her friends and family's responses because she was still coming to terms with the news and couldn't actually comprehend what was happening. So I do wonder if the pregnancy was a surprise. It sounds like it was. Do we reckon that she was pregnant when they were in New York? Was that at the start of the Oh, that's probably too long ago. Actually, they've been on so many overseas holidays. Because remember there was that really cute shot of them in New York where they were just kissing and like enjoying each other's company. It was like, is this an engagement announcement? The thing though, that threw me off a little bit was that Molly said, so someone asked her, like, when did you find out you were pregnant? And she said she was literally one day late on her period and decided to take a test, and she just happened to have a test in her bathroom draw And she said that her period is so regular and on point that she thought something was happening, but she didn't feel any differently. And that night she had to end up going to sleep without telling Tommy because she wanted to work out a nice way to tell him in the morning. Wow, that would be so tough. I usually tell Brandon everything. I feel like I couldn't keep news like that. Oh, she couldn't tell if somebody, if one of us told you we were pregnant, everybody in the world by the next day. You cannot keep broaded on the podcast. What I loved was Molly did drop some clues about baby names. So she said that her and Tommy have had names picked out for a boy and a girl since the day they met, and that they're sticking with them now. I immediately thought of the baby challenge on Love Island. Oh yeah, so for those who don't watch Love Ireland, every year, the couples have to look after a baby doll that cries, sort of like a high school experiment, and usually the couples will name the baby. So I'm going to throw to a clip of the baby names that they spoke about Maine. I'm gonna go I've always wanted Tommy Tommy Junior TJJ little baby TJ. I do call it the name may I mayonnatte for short for mayonnaise. You know his career in school. Is he gonna get bored with that? TJA? TJ. Surely they're not going to call it Mayo and t J. Well, I could more see Tommy Jr's a real name. No, she's like Mayo, like mayonnaise. I'm like, surely not. But they said, oh, we've been talking about this name from the first moment we met. Does anyone remember because they met in a hot tub on Love Island. So what is everyone predicting they're going to name their baby? Well, I think it could be Tommy Jr. If it's a boy like that would not surprise me at all. Maybe instead of TJ, be PLT. But it seems to be a thing in the UK where they will call their firstborn son after them because we've been listening to the Sam and Billie Show, who are from Towie, and they're like, oh, little Paul and Big Paul, so it will be little Tommy. I feel like maybe little Tommy and little Ellie Belly. Oh yeah. I think Molly May's daughter may have a hyphenated name like her, so maybe it's Mayo something Molly Mayo, Molly Mayo. So we woke up this thorning and George is like, oh, my lips sort of feel a little bit slilent. Now. Georgie Stevens has shared a rather hilarious video of an allergic reaction she had this week. Now I feel really sorry for her, but I've got to note that she was laughing about it, so I feel like we can have a laugh now. So basically, Georgie used to have a childhood allergy to prawn's and she thought she'd grown out of it, so she ate them the other night, and she woke up saying to her husband, oh my lips feel a bit puffy, and he's filmed what she looks like, and let's throw to the clip of his reaction to her. She stopped, I'm literally shrinking today is the k It's not funny. Oh my gosh, did she go to hospital? That's next level? No. So the worst part is she was actually meant to be a model in a photo shoot for her husband's Sisters Swimwear maternity range, so she did give an update saying that her lips had gone down. She said it was kind of good that she's not complaining because it looks like she's had a bit of juicy botox. I remember having an allergic reaction at work and I'd eaten some pine nuts but I didn't know I was I don't even still know if I'm allergic to them. And I remember because our uncle's adoptors, so I wrung my uncle and he thought I was having a panic attack and he was just about to call an ambulance. I'm like, no, no, like it's actually my lips is really it's like, you can't take this away from me. You cannot take away my happiness, my relationship, my business, my career like you just you can. On Wednesday, Caller Daddy dropped its much anticipated interview with Hailey Bieber, where she finally addressed long standing rumors that Justin Bieber cheated on Selena Gomes with her. So, Amy, let's get straight into those cheating rumors. What was said? Because I haven't really kept up to date, I feel like this is a sort of jen Z Young Milansia. Yeah, I feel like I've never been one to sort of ship the whole Selena and Justin romance. But when you actually go back and look at the timeline, it is very interesting and you can kind of see why these fans were so invested in their relationship. So, just to give context, Justin and Selena dated on and off again for eight years, So this was between twenty ten and twenty eighteen. So fans were very quick to stand this relationship and they became very heavily invested in it. So in late twenty fourteen, Justin and Selena officially broke up and Justin began sharing a series of Instagram posts on vacation with Hailey, but he claimed they were just friends. So I think this is when Selena's fans sort of started feeling a bit off about Haley Beeber. So this is where all the hate started. Yeah, it's so crazy that it was twenty fourteen, a few years ago, I know. So. Then in twenty sixteen, there was a blow up online between Justin and Selena. So I do not remember this at all, but basically, Justin shared a photo of himself with Sophia Richie and fans began to send him hate because obviously they wanted him to be with Selena. I didn't realize that Sophia Richie was involved in this because she also dated Scott Dissick. Yeah. I actually forgot about this too. So Justin's threatened fans on Instagram. He said, I'm going to make my Instagram private if you guys don't stop the hate. He said, this is getting out of hand. If you guys are really fans, you wouldn't be so mean to people that I like. Selena then weighed in and wrote, if you can't handle the hate, then star posting pictures of your girlfriend. Laugh out loud. It should be special between you two. Only don't be mad at your fans. They love you and supported you before anyone ever did good on Selena, Justin responded, it's funny to see people that used me for attention and still try to point the finger this way. So Selena ended up going on Snapchat and apologizing for her comments. See after listening to Haley Bieber's interview on Caller Daddy, I can see how she would be annoyed by Selena almost egging fans on. Well, that's kind of what it seems like that she has sort of been fueling the fire a little bit with the fans. So just sorry, But if you were in that situation and you had all these fans behind you, I got to support you, would you not lay the boot in slightly when you potentially been cheated? Do you know? Do you know what her fans are called by the way, You know how there's like the believers, yeahs selenaators. Oh that's very late. That's not a good one. So just getting back to the timeline, Selena then dated The Weekend for ten months before she was spotted back with Justin Bieber in twenty seventeen, and then fans got really excited because in February of twenty eighteen, Selena attended Justin's father's wedding in Jamaica, and she also shed an Instagram post dedicated to Justin's birthday, much so everybody assumed they were back together. Then fast forward to July twenty eighteen, and fans were left shocked when Haley and Justin announced their engagement. They then married in September of that same year. Well, I did not realize this was so quick. So four months after Selena was at Justin's dad's wedding and wishing him a happy birthday, they got engaged and then got married a month later. Yeah, and so hell and so Subsequently, all of these Julna fans were furious, and they directed all of their anger at Haley because obviously she was labeled as a home wrecker and they'd spoiled this illusion of this romance between Selena and Justin. It's crazy putting that timeline into perspective, because I suppose a lot of us that aren't, you know, when you've got lives and aren't completely invested in what's going on. I just remember seeing them getting married, and they just looked like the most beautiful couple. Like I remember, it was just all about Haley and what she looked like and that she's just this style like her. So let's get into what Hailey said about that time. So in the interview with Alex Cooper, she flat out denied cheating with Justin. She said, I can say, period, point blank, I was never with him when he was in a relationship with anybody. That's the end of it. She also acknowledged the controversy surrounding the timeline of their engagement, saying, I understand how it looked from the outside, and there's a lot of perception there, but that was a situation where I know for a fact that it was the right thing for them to close that door. She said. I did feel like there was a little bit of shade in this interview, because Hailey went on to say that she thought Justin's decision to end his relationship with Selena was the most healthy, mature decision he could make. The thing is, though, when I saw this interview promoted online, I was like, oh, yes, I just knew that Hailey Bieber and Selena Gomans do not like it. So I was like, there are going to be some amazing, juicy details, but I feel like for the whole interview, firstly, it was odd that they never named Selena. They kept her and she and Justin's X, which I think was a little bit disrespectful. But then again I can also understand it because then Selena would come out and be like, could you stop using my name and get my name? Hayley? Though, can you imagine having this X following you around the whole time? I feel like she said a lot without saying anything because the fact that she firstly wouldn't name her, and then she sort of it was kind of like she was threatening things but never actually said them. It was like, oh, well, I was going to come out at this point and say this. I wish I could. I wish I could tell the truth about what happened. Isn't what this interview about? Please do do you guys? Reckon? More was said, but then it had to be cut out. No, I don't think so. She seemed she seemed very controlled in what she was saying. She came across as very intelligent and very well spoken. It was quite clear that she had a plan of everything that she was going to say. I did think Towards the end, there was this segment where Alex was discussing her and Justin's sex life, and it seemed almost as if she had a gun to her head because she did not want to answer any of the questions. She really had to push him. She's like, look, I'll say the words and you just say yes or no. Wow, because Haley basically said, she's like, I feel really cringed talking about this because I know my parents are going to listen enough. But for those we will summarize what she basically said. She said, if Aya wants to know, she said a favorite sex position is doggie style. She prefers nighttime sex over morning sex. She's not interested in having a threesome. So there we go. But that's the thing. She's clever enough to know that even if she just says yes to something or one word responses, that is going to formulate a huge media article. Which is also why she knew that if she said these few comments about Selena Gomez, she would still be able to get her point out there by being quite measured and controlled in what she said. I don't think it particularly looked very good on her, because normally you would think that she would use this interview to potentially touch on those rumors and the speculation for maybe a couple of questions, and then talk about amazing things that she's got coming up or things about her life that we may not have heard. But literally, I would say eighty percent of the interview was just about Selena going that's what everyone want it. But I feel like it was almost a pr effort because I feel like she's copying so much hate even now, so four years on from this, from their marriage, she's copying hate from Selena. So this going to do is just, you know, make more happy. Well, there's so much controversy at the moment surrounding her skincare brand because there's been threats of her being sued for having the same name as another business, and also people are comparing her skincare brand to Millie Bobby Brown and saying it's very similar. So maybe she's trying to move people away from that and get some sympathy around how her mental health was affected by the whole ordeal. Yeah, Well, she did talk about her mental health and reading between the lines, she did state that she was a little bit suicidal, But then I kind of was confused I don't know how you've felt about this, guys, but she was talking about how she tells herself that there are people way worse off than her. But then she said she was working with her psychologists to allow her to actually say that she can feel bad. I mean, I know what she meant, because people would look at her life and go, You've got everything, What the hell are you complaining about? So I feel like that was an internal struggle for her to go, well, I am feeling shit, and I am allowed to feel shit, regardless of how privileged I am. What I found interesting, though, was she said she had spoken to her therapist about feeling like she's been constantly compared to others, and obviously that stemming from constantly being compared to Selena Gomez, and she said she had this instinctive feeling of wanting to be liked by people. You know what's crazy to me because from someone that is not a stan of any of these people, I just think that so many people are trying to be like Hailey be But like I've seen so many people with those like frosted donut fingernails, Like I want them, blazed nails. I want them just because She's got them, the boyfriend blazer, you know, the fashion her very itick girl. Yeah, she's the total it girl and so iron that she thinks that people are comparing her to say Selena Gomez, where I think she is just an absolute icon at the moment. I feel like it's no one really talks much about Selena Gomes other than a stand to compare them both to compare, they both say one's better than the other. But it's quite ironic that I feel like she is the girl of the moment and she's feeling like that. Do you know what I think it is. I think it's this subculture of the Internet where there were these believers and these Seleninators who are coming together, and you know, for example, on TikTok, I often see these videos that these obsessive fans make where they've really romanticize something. So whether it's a TV show in this case, it's obviously Justin and Selena, and they're so fixated on these people coming back together, and it's just based on this perception that they had this perfect relationship and they should be together. But they won't acknowledge that it's now Justin and Hayley. They think it's a lot of teens because they don't perhaps have for their own relationship, so they lived through these companies. But they wouldn't be teens because they've been dating for since twenty ten. These are like people in their thirds is little Walnut. Influencer and sleepwear entrepreneur Lily Brown has soft launched a new romance that's been brewing since her infamous trip to Balley. Lily and fellow influencer m Davies caused a stir when they ask followers whether they would regret eating a weed brownie before boarding their flight. So who is Lily Brown's new love interest. Well, it's this guy called Christian House. So he's a micro influencer. He's got about fourteen thousand followers and he's twenty two years old. He is from the Gold Coast, which is where Lily Brown lives. And funnily enough, she was talking about for ages how she wanted to move to Sydney, but now she is staying put in the Gold Coast. Punny and this guy, Christian, he is pretty hot. He's clearly a gym guy. He's a bit of a party boy and he spends most of his time in Balley. And he's one of those guys who makes a lot of TikTok content about being single and having one night stands. Really yeah, it kind of it's that content where it's like, oh, yeah, he a bit of a lad. You're like like biting his lip and kind of yeah, very player vibes. I mean it is too Yeah, I was gonna say he's twenty two, So I think that's why. And from having a bit of a stalk, it is pretty clear that the pair knew each other before Lily's recent trip, as she has been liking a lot of his photos for months now. So back in July, Christian uploaded a shirtless photo with his six pack on display with the caption shout out to Jenny Craig, to which Lily Brown commented, love you work, Jenny. And it seems like Lily's recent trip to Bali has really brought them closer together. So she has been traveling to Bali to deal with her suppliers for her pajama line Chili, also having a holiday with m Davies and having some weird browning. That's right, and it seems like she will be going back and forth for a bit of work, so Christian appears to currently be living in Bali. He has been there for months on end. So I'm not sure what the plans are for the two of them, if they're doing long distance or it might just be a fling, like it might just be a holiday work. Well, I don't know because she's been soft launching this new relationship on a number of different platforms. So I first noticed him pop up on her Instagram stories while she was staying in Bali. Then last week she posted two videos to TikTok where they're doing a Bali mook bung, and it's very clear that the two of them do have chemistry in a YouTube video to know, they're in a TikTok video of a hook bung, so she tagged him in it as well. So in the video, they're being very playful. He's like trying to flick insects at her and scare her. And there was this moment in the video where they were trying this walnut milk as a bit of a laugh and Lily remarked, oh, nut milk, and then they both smirked at each other and he kind of gave the camera the eyes. I mean, I felt really uncomfortable, you know, when you're watching two people flirt and it's just like I'm a thirty three year old woman watching somebody talk about nut milk on TikTok. Well, under the I think everyone picked up on the fact that there's something going on. So some of the followers wrote cuties, to which she liked. Someone else wrote he's cute little, and Lily responded, don't give him a bigger head. Well, that's nice for her, isn't it, though, Yes, just like her other relationships she had to keep offline. It's more entertaining for the rest of us, isn't it. It is interesting that this guy is a micro influencer and happy to be in her videos, because that's not we've seen from Lily's relationships in the past. I think as the last two boyfriends haven't wanted to appear online, and I feel like perhaps that hasn't really been right for Lily. Yeah. Well, this guy hasn't actually shared about her yet, but he has been very vocal in the comment section because under these mukbun posts, he wrote miss this though, and then she wrote Samesi's and did a little butterfly emoji, and then yesterday she took it even further with the soft launch. She uploaded a photo dump of pictures and captioned it. Stories saw most of it first, so there was a little hint that maybe she talked more about him on her stories. But you know, in this photo dump there was all these different images of like her nails and just pictures of her, and then at the end there was a FaceTime photo of him sticking his tar. Oh. I love how she leaves it to the last few. Yeah. The Instagram dump is really clever, isn't it, Because if she uploaded just one photo of him, it looks like, you know, it's more serious. I love the photos that people choose to put the Instagram dump when the main one is just to soft launch the relationship, as you said, like pictures of food and now. I was like, yeah, no one cares, Yeah whatever, Lo where's the boy? And I'm like just so feeling so fucking happy right now, Like I've got my dogs, I've got my kids. A week on from Sky Wheatley and Michael Finch's public falling out, the pair have been posting subliminal quotes directed at one another. So I can you bring us up to speed? Yeah, we'll just to refresh everyone's memories. Last week, we did break the news that Sky Wheatley made controversial comments about OnlyFans creators, which were aired on Michael Finch's vlog. So initially, instead of apologizing, Sky tried to shift the blame to Michael for posting the content and said that it was never meant to be shared. She said, I'm so upset it's been post still on line. This was out of my control. I was having a conversation with a so called friend out of anger. Shocked it's been posted to be honest, trust no one. So since then, she did speak to So Dramatic and apologize for the comments, but she hasn't issued a formal apology on her own platform. It seems like she's trying to shut down any further publicity around the comment. It's a weird PR strategy talking to So Dramatic but then not addressing it on her own channel. Like I feel like, if you're a public figure, you owe it to your fans to actually apologize or at the very least acknowledge the wrong thing that you've done. I feel like it's actually clever of her though, because you know she's not not everyone would have heard about it. And also she's sort of pushed all the attention towards this friendship breakdown, so everyone's talking about the friendship breakdown as opposed to the offensive comment she said. So she did do a Q and A and a follower wrote to Sky saying miss you and Michael already, and she responded by sharing a photo of Forest look upset and then did a sad face and a broken heart emoji. So it's interesting that some of her followers are picking up on this friendship breakdown, but she hasn't actually addressed it yet. It's not why used to hang out all the time they did. They were on results yeah a bit, but like not every day or anything. It's clear that people know what's going on. Yeah. Well, she followed up that with also a quote. So she shared a quote on her Instagram story saying there's a certain disrespect that an apology or explanation doesn't fix. So she's trying to clearly push it that Michael has apologized to her, acting like he's in the wrong. Well, Michael followed it up the next day by sharing the quote I can respect a bad decision, but I can't respect a liar, and he accompanied it with the caption peace out girl scout. I know it seems immature to be posting quotes directed at people. It seems very like MSN days when you put a song lyric, But I love it. To me, it seems more like twenty sixteen when people would just share these passive aggressive quotes on Facebook. I like it though, because I don't know I like it without saying it. Yeah, you're trying to like read into it. They just said it for her if they go on this story and just say I like, Michael's too clever for that, you know, when you really want to put something up passive aggressive. I love actually looking through the quotes. You're like, yeah, that that really was. It wasn't funny when you go through your camera roll and you realize what moment of time you're in your life and you're like, what's all this stuff. There's all these sex in the city quotes with this, Well, that's right, heartbreak. I have been keeping an eye on Michael's content this week, and he has been hanging out a lot with his og influence of friends, and they appear to be siding with him. So Shannie and Michael seemed to be getting a lot closer, and Shanny did share some banter that she had with Michael over text message about a funny photo she sent him, and also it was funny because she focused on the fact that you know when you add a little photo, you know, when people ring you, you can add the little profile picture. So her photo was this total flashback. It was one of Michael Finch's first ever photo shoots, so he looked like a completely different person. And he re shared the photo and was like, Wow, playing this game again, Shiny. That was my first ever photo shoot, by the way, So I don't know, it just reminds me of old times. And they were also seen hanging out together at a recent brand event where Lily Brown was also there. So it seems like the gangs all back to the sides. The sides have been picked, haven't they. Yeah. Well, the thing is, it seems like a bit of a fuck you to Sky because I feel like Michael was the only one out of that group that actually liked Sky or tolerated her. I feel exhausted. I feel like we've unleashed a lot of goss today and I think that's all we have today. As I said if anyone has any juicy information they want to send us, our DM's always open now. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Garner people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present, and if you want to join in on all the conversations, please head over to our Facebook group which has outspoken the podcast community. And also if you haven't already, please leave us a review if you love the podcast, and make sure you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify and seven

On today's show, Lily Brown soft launches her new man, Michael Finch breaks silence on friendship, breakdown with Sky Wheatley, Molly May gives baby name clues, and the much anticipated Haley Beaber interview. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I've just finished penning a very angry etow. So, for those who have been following along at home, I am going through a bit of a skin journey where I'm trying to get rid of my pigmentation, and I have gone through this whole course of chemical pill treatments only to find out from my new dermatologists that I should never have been recommended to them. Basically, you found out that they're a load of shit for what you need done. Yeah, my dermatologists is like, well, your freckles are actually a lot deeper and there's no way any chemical pill is going to lift them. You need ipl laser And that is what I actually went in and asked this skin clinic for. In the first place, I think where you went wrong was not going to a dermatologist first. So that's really a bit of a tiar for the listeners. Well, I thought they were dermatologists. They touted themselves as having doctors and nurses on board. But yeah, I highly recommend going to a dermatologist. I also got my skin check and it was all good. So again, just a reminder for everyone to do the same. So, Kate, will we see updates after you've been lazer? Because I watched a vlog the other day and Sophie and I have had laser ourselves. It's extreme. I kind of want to follow altiating pain. That's probably the worst thing I've ever done in my whole life. It depends if there's good results. Maybe I'll share it once. They have really nice quiz. But it's a bit different now, isn't it. They've kind of modernized the process because Amy and I had it done probably five years ago, and we didn't have any numbing cream and we came out we looked horrendous. Did well, I'll keep you guys updated. I think it is still going to be painful. Well, I'm Amy Torbert and I've got a painful experience of my own coming up over the weekend. Because Dale and I have stupidly organized our engagement party at our house, and there is so much to do. Again, it's not this weekend though, No, no it's not. But the whole backyard needs to like the pergola needs to be pained, said, there's so much that needs to be done. I don't mean to be I told you so again, but we did point out that it might be a bit difficult and a bit of a quick time frame to move around. Dale and I are literally the same person. We thrive off this kind of time. You need the pressure. You're a little bit both disorganized and you have these big hopes but not really the skills to execute them. Because my Hen's party is the first weekend of November, We've got you've got a work thing on the following weekend, and then that weekend then is your engagement part. I know that's my I'm going to be where. It's a long weekend, so I'm going to be in that backyard. We're also going to be painting the kitchen. There's so much going on. Do you really need to paint the kitchen? Like? I think you need a prioritize focus on the stupidest stuff. I mean, I came over and you've got these boxes of Christmas lights ready for to deck out the backyard for the party, and it's like, I don't think that's a number one priority. My theme is white and gold. Okay, so if you need any help, let us know. I just feel like if you have a backyard and maybe it doesn't look amazing, if you've got gold lights every day, I think we've got as dark as well. Can had a lot of things. Well, I'm Sophie Tilbert and I'm also planning my engagement party, but I don't want to be rushed off my feet that day, so I've booked in a venue by the beach, and I think I'm doing the complete opposite to you, Amy. I think it'd be much more children. I was the most low key because I didn't have any party because I got proposed to at our housewarming, so rees said that was an engagement party, which it wasn't. But maybe we'll have to do a real on your engagement party and then a reeal on mine and ask the listeners which one they would have preferred to have gone. I do want some help from the listeners though, because I only found out about my location, which is a surf lifesaving club because I saw this Adelaide influencer having her engagement party. Were influenced. Yeah, I was influenced. And it's funny. I said to the guy I saw on this girl's page. He's like, oh my god, We've had so many requests her. But when I stepped inside the venue, I was like, this looks completely different because she had this really cool curtain set up over all. You know, surf life saving clubs, how to have all the awards up. You don't really want that one. I'm trying to look for some curtains, but I don't know where to get them from because someone sent me through some suggestion she would have hired them. Yeah, yeah, she hired them. But I'm so lost it, you know, because there's sheer ones. There's just so many to pick from. It if anyone's planned an engagement party and has them. I was tempted to reach out to this girl, but I'm not going to and I would appreciate if you guys respect both of our privacy, But basically, yes, I am single right now. So this week, a very juicy DM dropped into our inbox. So one of our listeners has reached out and they said that they spotted former couple Madison Wooley and Jonathan sour out having dinner together. Now, this lovely listener sent us photo as proof. So she actually went up to the couple and we're like, oh, can I have a photo with you? Guys? The couple. Okay, you're getting ahead of yourself. Former couple. Well, it seems like things are back on together. So this was on the eleventh of September, and apparently they had been out to a rugby match together, and we're having dinner and drinks at a pub and they see very couple. I'm sorry, I can't imagine Madison Woolly just going out with a friend to a rugby match. You only go to a boring sporting match like that with the guy your ex boyfriend. Yeah, it's not just today. There's obviously some history going on. I would actually like to see these two back together. I want to see more content with them. I want to see their vlogs. I think they're stronger together. I think they're more of a brand together. So just for a little bit of a timeline, Madison announced that she had broken up with Jonathan back in July twenty twenty one. Now, she made this announcement just before Sydney and New South Wales went into a big lockdown, which seems like it would have been a bit of a mistake to break up with your boyfriend then, and it seemed like the couple were very on and off for quite a while. I think they kind of ended things. That appears early this year. Who could forget our episode on the Man in the Mirror exactly. There were a lot of clues that these two were together. So I'm wondering if they're going to start dropping clues now. Yea, because they were caught together, as you say, Amy, during lockdown. So Jonathan was in the whilst Madison was making two cocktails for the two of them to enjoy whilst they were stuck inside. But what about this Sky Moody because he was rumored to be dating Sky. And remember in an episode of Madison's podcast, Girl Coach, she spoke about running into Jonathan whilst he was on a date just before she went away to Europe. Yeah, so Jonathan and Sky did seem like they were a bit of a couple. So he lives in Sydney and Sky lives in Queensland, so he went across for the weekend, and they were sharing pictures out and about. On this sort of date day, they went to an adventure park and they went on a helicopter ride, so it seemed like things were looking pretty good for them. They also went to the Stacks event together because they were spotted in the second row. But I think it was SOFIDFA accidentally exposed them there together because they didn't share that they were together. They've actually they've already done the little soft launch thing. They haven't appeared in one another's feeds. Yeah, so things seem to be pretty good between those guys. However, when you have a look through Sky's Instagram feed, Jonathan hasn't liked her photos since all August thirtieth, and then she shared a very telling post on the third of September. So she was wearing this black leotard and she wrote the caption more than you Can Handle with a black flag emoji. Now I had to look at Jonathan's page and Sky hadn't liked anything since the sixth of September, which kind of fits this timeline of him seeing Madison out. On the eleventh of September, however, she threw a spanner in the works and has confused me because Sky liked one of Jonathan's most recent reels and in the real he is sipping on champagne having lunch at a winery with the caption out of office for the weekend, and this post has Madison wooly all over it, and I'm pretty sure she is eating with him. So if Sky maybe liking the post to be like, fuck you, I know what's going on? Or is she a blieveing blissfully unaware, because I feel like this is taking a bit of detective work and a bit of sleuth's coming into the DM. She might not know what's going on. If she's living in Brisbane, it might be. I don't really feel like her and Jonathan were officially an item. I feel like it was a bit of a fight. You can tell things are on the rocks when people aren't liking each other's photos, and previously they'd been liking every other post. Another interesting element is that Madison and Jonathan aren't following each other on Instagram. I feel like Madison's the sort of person that would have seen Jonathan with a new love interest and gone I want him back, because we know she's the one who broke up with him. Well, people always look better when they're with someone else, and she saw him as you said earlier, right before she went to Europe, and after listening to her recount of her European holiday, because she had pumped it up as I'm going to hook up with all the hot guys overseas, one she either was missing Jonathan and regretting her decision, or two realized that maybe there aren't better guys out there, because she's seen pretty disappointed with the lack of talent that was available on this European holiday. The thing that will be tough for Madison to come back from is the fact that she has shitcanned him on her podcast because she didn't fully go into a lot of details, but there's been a lot of oh my ex did this, and my ex did that. It's kind of like when you slag your ex off to a friend and then you have to admit, oh, actually, I've taken him back. I don't think Caitlyn will be happy, because Caitlyn sounds like she hates his guys well. Talking about Caitlin recently on their podcast Girl Code, Madison has been talking about how she's actually been on a date with one of Caitlyn's partner's friends. So I wonder how that is all gonna work, because again, there was a time when Madison was talking a lot about this roster of guys that she'd put together, But once she was back to Europe, she was saying that she wasn't dating anymore and focusing on herself. So I feel like there's something fishy going on. She's also heading to America soon, and she's been talking about is it not mister Bottles of Smiths, mister La that she's meeting up with, so clearly from Rayah, of course. But yeah, I wonder how that will go because it'd be tough trying to get back together from a fractured relationship. I mean, they broke up probably three or four times already. Tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't she get a trip for Jonathan or something for his birthday to America? Maybe? Oh, maybe they've reid something so maybe someone to travel with. Maybe they were both still planning on using the tickets or something. So she's going to go cup with mister La while she's on a trip with her ex boyfriend, though only time will tell. I feel like we won't be hearing about what's actually going on until probably six months after it's happened. Though, on the podcast, this has got a lot of Sammy Robinson Jordan vibes happening because remember they kept getting spotted out and none of them would say, actually what was going on. So if any other listeners have any juicy details for us, send them in. We are now back from our day out. I've had a quick shower. I've also had a little nap Whilst they were Zoe, Danny an Tommy. They went to the gym and I and trained, and obviously I stayed on the bed eating chocolate biscuits and watching a film. Obviously, then I fell asleep for an hour as well. It was just really just what I needed. Since announcing her pregnancy on Sunday, Molly may Haig has revealed more baby news. After hiding her baby bump for over five months, the former Love Islander is ready to share her pregnancy journey with her followers. Kay what do we know so far? Well, Molly was kind enough to put up a Q and a box on her Insta story and said she was going to answer a whole bunch of questions in a new YouTube video. However, she gave fans what they were looking for and answered a couple of the questions. So someone asked Molly if it's been hard to hide her pregnancy, and she said, strangely, it wasn't. So her aim was to hide it for five months, and she said that she was able to exceed that five months, so I'm guessing she's around the sixth month mark now. Someone asked also if they have done any baby shopping, and I thought it was quite cute. Molly was saying that they've really wanted to, but of course if they get spotted in a baby section by the paparazzi, there's going to be heaps of stories about it. So she said that her and Tommy have sort of snuck into the baby section and have loudly talked about, oh, we're getting this for your cousin's baby shower, just so they can have a look at what's around now. Molly also said that she's been lucky that she hasn't had any sickness during her pregnancy. She said she had a little bit of nausea, however, during her first homester she was able to fix this by just having a lot of snacks and meals. That's probably why she's been able to keep it a secret for so long, though, because if you look at Martha Callifetita, I'm sure they would have wanted to keep that secret for a bit longer. I did find her approach to the pregnancy quite interesting in regards of her YouTube, because she was asked if she filmed breaking the announcement to her friends or family, and she said that it felt a little bit unnatural to do that. And I kind of like that because when I have seen YouTubers in the past, you know, setting up the camera and getting everyone crying, I don't know, I found it a bit cringe because I feel like that's a really personal moment. Yeah, it all seems a little bit contrived. It was interesting though, hearing that, because she spoke about how she did actually film Tommy's response. However, she was saying that she wasn't able to film her friends and family's responses because she was still coming to terms with the news and couldn't actually comprehend what was happening. So I do wonder if the pregnancy was a surprise. It sounds like it was. Do we reckon that she was pregnant when they were in New York? Was that at the start of the Oh, that's probably too long ago. Actually, they've been on so many overseas holidays. Because remember there was that really cute shot of them in New York where they were just kissing and like enjoying each other's company. It was like, is this an engagement announcement? The thing though, that threw me off a little bit was that Molly said, so someone asked her, like, when did you find out you were pregnant? And she said she was literally one day late on her period and decided to take a test, and she just happened to have a test in her bathroom draw And she said that her period is so regular and on point that she thought something was happening, but she didn't feel any differently. And that night she had to end up going to sleep without telling Tommy because she wanted to work out a nice way to tell him in the morning. Wow, that would be so tough. I usually tell Brandon everything. I feel like I couldn't keep news like that. Oh, she couldn't tell if somebody, if one of us told you we were pregnant, everybody in the world by the next day. You cannot keep broaded on the podcast. What I loved was Molly did drop some clues about baby names. So she said that her and Tommy have had names picked out for a boy and a girl since the day they met, and that they're sticking with them now. I immediately thought of the baby challenge on Love Island. Oh yeah, so for those who don't watch Love Ireland, every year, the couples have to look after a baby doll that cries, sort of like a high school experiment, and usually the couples will name the baby. So I'm going to throw to a clip of the baby names that they spoke about Maine. I'm gonna go I've always wanted Tommy Tommy Junior TJJ little baby TJ. I do call it the name may I mayonnatte for short for mayonnaise. You know his career in school. Is he gonna get bored with that? TJA? TJ. Surely they're not going to call it Mayo and t J. Well, I could more see Tommy Jr's a real name. No, she's like Mayo, like mayonnaise. I'm like, surely not. But they said, oh, we've been talking about this name from the first moment we met. Does anyone remember because they met in a hot tub on Love Island. So what is everyone predicting they're going to name their baby? Well, I think it could be Tommy Jr. If it's a boy like that would not surprise me at all. Maybe instead of TJ, be PLT. But it seems to be a thing in the UK where they will call their firstborn son after them because we've been listening to the Sam and Billie Show, who are from Towie, and they're like, oh, little Paul and Big Paul, so it will be little Tommy. I feel like maybe little Tommy and little Ellie Belly. Oh yeah. I think Molly May's daughter may have a hyphenated name like her, so maybe it's Mayo something Molly Mayo, Molly Mayo. So we woke up this thorning and George is like, oh, my lips sort of feel a little bit slilent. Now. Georgie Stevens has shared a rather hilarious video of an allergic reaction she had this week. Now I feel really sorry for her, but I've got to note that she was laughing about it, so I feel like we can have a laugh now. So basically, Georgie used to have a childhood allergy to prawn's and she thought she'd grown out of it, so she ate them the other night, and she woke up saying to her husband, oh my lips feel a bit puffy, and he's filmed what she looks like, and let's throw to the clip of his reaction to her. She stopped, I'm literally shrinking today is the k It's not funny. Oh my gosh, did she go to hospital? That's next level? No. So the worst part is she was actually meant to be a model in a photo shoot for her husband's Sisters Swimwear maternity range, so she did give an update saying that her lips had gone down. She said it was kind of good that she's not complaining because it looks like she's had a bit of juicy botox. I remember having an allergic reaction at work and I'd eaten some pine nuts but I didn't know I was I don't even still know if I'm allergic to them. And I remember because our uncle's adoptors, so I wrung my uncle and he thought I was having a panic attack and he was just about to call an ambulance. I'm like, no, no, like it's actually my lips is really it's like, you can't take this away from me. You cannot take away my happiness, my relationship, my business, my career like you just you can. On Wednesday, Caller Daddy dropped its much anticipated interview with Hailey Bieber, where she finally addressed long standing rumors that Justin Bieber cheated on Selena Gomes with her. So, Amy, let's get straight into those cheating rumors. What was said? Because I haven't really kept up to date, I feel like this is a sort of jen Z Young Milansia. Yeah, I feel like I've never been one to sort of ship the whole Selena and Justin romance. But when you actually go back and look at the timeline, it is very interesting and you can kind of see why these fans were so invested in their relationship. So, just to give context, Justin and Selena dated on and off again for eight years, So this was between twenty ten and twenty eighteen. So fans were very quick to stand this relationship and they became very heavily invested in it. So in late twenty fourteen, Justin and Selena officially broke up and Justin began sharing a series of Instagram posts on vacation with Hailey, but he claimed they were just friends. So I think this is when Selena's fans sort of started feeling a bit off about Haley Beeber. So this is where all the hate started. Yeah, it's so crazy that it was twenty fourteen, a few years ago, I know. So. Then in twenty sixteen, there was a blow up online between Justin and Selena. So I do not remember this at all, but basically, Justin shared a photo of himself with Sophia Richie and fans began to send him hate because obviously they wanted him to be with Selena. I didn't realize that Sophia Richie was involved in this because she also dated Scott Dissick. Yeah. I actually forgot about this too. So Justin's threatened fans on Instagram. He said, I'm going to make my Instagram private if you guys don't stop the hate. He said, this is getting out of hand. If you guys are really fans, you wouldn't be so mean to people that I like. Selena then weighed in and wrote, if you can't handle the hate, then star posting pictures of your girlfriend. Laugh out loud. It should be special between you two. Only don't be mad at your fans. They love you and supported you before anyone ever did good on Selena, Justin responded, it's funny to see people that used me for attention and still try to point the finger this way. So Selena ended up going on Snapchat and apologizing for her comments. See after listening to Haley Bieber's interview on Caller Daddy, I can see how she would be annoyed by Selena almost egging fans on. Well, that's kind of what it seems like that she has sort of been fueling the fire a little bit with the fans. So just sorry, But if you were in that situation and you had all these fans behind you, I got to support you, would you not lay the boot in slightly when you potentially been cheated? Do you know? Do you know what her fans are called by the way, You know how there's like the believers, yeahs selenaators. Oh that's very late. That's not a good one. So just getting back to the timeline, Selena then dated The Weekend for ten months before she was spotted back with Justin Bieber in twenty seventeen, and then fans got really excited because in February of twenty eighteen, Selena attended Justin's father's wedding in Jamaica, and she also shed an Instagram post dedicated to Justin's birthday, much so everybody assumed they were back together. Then fast forward to July twenty eighteen, and fans were left shocked when Haley and Justin announced their engagement. They then married in September of that same year. Well, I did not realize this was so quick. So four months after Selena was at Justin's dad's wedding and wishing him a happy birthday, they got engaged and then got married a month later. Yeah, and so hell and so Subsequently, all of these Julna fans were furious, and they directed all of their anger at Haley because obviously she was labeled as a home wrecker and they'd spoiled this illusion of this romance between Selena and Justin. It's crazy putting that timeline into perspective, because I suppose a lot of us that aren't, you know, when you've got lives and aren't completely invested in what's going on. I just remember seeing them getting married, and they just looked like the most beautiful couple. Like I remember, it was just all about Haley and what she looked like and that she's just this style like her. So let's get into what Hailey said about that time. So in the interview with Alex Cooper, she flat out denied cheating with Justin. She said, I can say, period, point blank, I was never with him when he was in a relationship with anybody. That's the end of it. She also acknowledged the controversy surrounding the timeline of their engagement, saying, I understand how it looked from the outside, and there's a lot of perception there, but that was a situation where I know for a fact that it was the right thing for them to close that door. She said. I did feel like there was a little bit of shade in this interview, because Hailey went on to say that she thought Justin's decision to end his relationship with Selena was the most healthy, mature decision he could make. The thing is, though, when I saw this interview promoted online, I was like, oh, yes, I just knew that Hailey Bieber and Selena Gomans do not like it. So I was like, there are going to be some amazing, juicy details, but I feel like for the whole interview, firstly, it was odd that they never named Selena. They kept her and she and Justin's X, which I think was a little bit disrespectful. But then again I can also understand it because then Selena would come out and be like, could you stop using my name and get my name? Hayley? Though, can you imagine having this X following you around the whole time? I feel like she said a lot without saying anything because the fact that she firstly wouldn't name her, and then she sort of it was kind of like she was threatening things but never actually said them. It was like, oh, well, I was going to come out at this point and say this. I wish I could. I wish I could tell the truth about what happened. Isn't what this interview about? Please do do you guys? Reckon? More was said, but then it had to be cut out. No, I don't think so. She seemed she seemed very controlled in what she was saying. She came across as very intelligent and very well spoken. It was quite clear that she had a plan of everything that she was going to say. I did think Towards the end, there was this segment where Alex was discussing her and Justin's sex life, and it seemed almost as if she had a gun to her head because she did not want to answer any of the questions. She really had to push him. She's like, look, I'll say the words and you just say yes or no. Wow, because Haley basically said, she's like, I feel really cringed talking about this because I know my parents are going to listen enough. But for those we will summarize what she basically said. She said, if Aya wants to know, she said a favorite sex position is doggie style. She prefers nighttime sex over morning sex. She's not interested in having a threesome. So there we go. But that's the thing. She's clever enough to know that even if she just says yes to something or one word responses, that is going to formulate a huge media article. Which is also why she knew that if she said these few comments about Selena Gomez, she would still be able to get her point out there by being quite measured and controlled in what she said. I don't think it particularly looked very good on her, because normally you would think that she would use this interview to potentially touch on those rumors and the speculation for maybe a couple of questions, and then talk about amazing things that she's got coming up or things about her life that we may not have heard. But literally, I would say eighty percent of the interview was just about Selena going that's what everyone want it. But I feel like it was almost a pr effort because I feel like she's copying so much hate even now, so four years on from this, from their marriage, she's copying hate from Selena. So this going to do is just, you know, make more happy. Well, there's so much controversy at the moment surrounding her skincare brand because there's been threats of her being sued for having the same name as another business, and also people are comparing her skincare brand to Millie Bobby Brown and saying it's very similar. So maybe she's trying to move people away from that and get some sympathy around how her mental health was affected by the whole ordeal. Yeah, Well, she did talk about her mental health and reading between the lines, she did state that she was a little bit suicidal, But then I kind of was confused I don't know how you've felt about this, guys, but she was talking about how she tells herself that there are people way worse off than her. But then she said she was working with her psychologists to allow her to actually say that she can feel bad. I mean, I know what she meant, because people would look at her life and go, You've got everything, What the hell are you complaining about? So I feel like that was an internal struggle for her to go, well, I am feeling shit, and I am allowed to feel shit, regardless of how privileged I am. What I found interesting, though, was she said she had spoken to her therapist about feeling like she's been constantly compared to others, and obviously that stemming from constantly being compared to Selena Gomez, and she said she had this instinctive feeling of wanting to be liked by people. You know what's crazy to me because from someone that is not a stan of any of these people, I just think that so many people are trying to be like Hailey be But like I've seen so many people with those like frosted donut fingernails, Like I want them, blazed nails. I want them just because She's got them, the boyfriend blazer, you know, the fashion her very itick girl. Yeah, she's the total it girl and so iron that she thinks that people are comparing her to say Selena Gomez, where I think she is just an absolute icon at the moment. I feel like it's no one really talks much about Selena Gomes other than a stand to compare them both to compare, they both say one's better than the other. But it's quite ironic that I feel like she is the girl of the moment and she's feeling like that. Do you know what I think it is. I think it's this subculture of the Internet where there were these believers and these Seleninators who are coming together, and you know, for example, on TikTok, I often see these videos that these obsessive fans make where they've really romanticize something. So whether it's a TV show in this case, it's obviously Justin and Selena, and they're so fixated on these people coming back together, and it's just based on this perception that they had this perfect relationship and they should be together. But they won't acknowledge that it's now Justin and Hayley. They think it's a lot of teens because they don't perhaps have for their own relationship, so they lived through these companies. But they wouldn't be teens because they've been dating for since twenty ten. These are like people in their thirds is little Walnut. Influencer and sleepwear entrepreneur Lily Brown has soft launched a new romance that's been brewing since her infamous trip to Balley. Lily and fellow influencer m Davies caused a stir when they ask followers whether they would regret eating a weed brownie before boarding their flight. So who is Lily Brown's new love interest. Well, it's this guy called Christian House. So he's a micro influencer. He's got about fourteen thousand followers and he's twenty two years old. He is from the Gold Coast, which is where Lily Brown lives. And funnily enough, she was talking about for ages how she wanted to move to Sydney, but now she is staying put in the Gold Coast. Punny and this guy, Christian, he is pretty hot. He's clearly a gym guy. He's a bit of a party boy and he spends most of his time in Balley. And he's one of those guys who makes a lot of TikTok content about being single and having one night stands. Really yeah, it kind of it's that content where it's like, oh, yeah, he a bit of a lad. You're like like biting his lip and kind of yeah, very player vibes. I mean it is too Yeah, I was gonna say he's twenty two, So I think that's why. And from having a bit of a stalk, it is pretty clear that the pair knew each other before Lily's recent trip, as she has been liking a lot of his photos for months now. So back in July, Christian uploaded a shirtless photo with his six pack on display with the caption shout out to Jenny Craig, to which Lily Brown commented, love you work, Jenny. And it seems like Lily's recent trip to Bali has really brought them closer together. So she has been traveling to Bali to deal with her suppliers for her pajama line Chili, also having a holiday with m Davies and having some weird browning. That's right, and it seems like she will be going back and forth for a bit of work, so Christian appears to currently be living in Bali. He has been there for months on end. So I'm not sure what the plans are for the two of them, if they're doing long distance or it might just be a fling, like it might just be a holiday work. Well, I don't know because she's been soft launching this new relationship on a number of different platforms. So I first noticed him pop up on her Instagram stories while she was staying in Bali. Then last week she posted two videos to TikTok where they're doing a Bali mook bung, and it's very clear that the two of them do have chemistry in a YouTube video to know, they're in a TikTok video of a hook bung, so she tagged him in it as well. So in the video, they're being very playful. He's like trying to flick insects at her and scare her. And there was this moment in the video where they were trying this walnut milk as a bit of a laugh and Lily remarked, oh, nut milk, and then they both smirked at each other and he kind of gave the camera the eyes. I mean, I felt really uncomfortable, you know, when you're watching two people flirt and it's just like I'm a thirty three year old woman watching somebody talk about nut milk on TikTok. Well, under the I think everyone picked up on the fact that there's something going on. So some of the followers wrote cuties, to which she liked. Someone else wrote he's cute little, and Lily responded, don't give him a bigger head. Well, that's nice for her, isn't it, though, Yes, just like her other relationships she had to keep offline. It's more entertaining for the rest of us, isn't it. It is interesting that this guy is a micro influencer and happy to be in her videos, because that's not we've seen from Lily's relationships in the past. I think as the last two boyfriends haven't wanted to appear online, and I feel like perhaps that hasn't really been right for Lily. Yeah. Well, this guy hasn't actually shared about her yet, but he has been very vocal in the comment section because under these mukbun posts, he wrote miss this though, and then she wrote Samesi's and did a little butterfly emoji, and then yesterday she took it even further with the soft launch. She uploaded a photo dump of pictures and captioned it. Stories saw most of it first, so there was a little hint that maybe she talked more about him on her stories. But you know, in this photo dump there was all these different images of like her nails and just pictures of her, and then at the end there was a FaceTime photo of him sticking his tar. Oh. I love how she leaves it to the last few. Yeah. The Instagram dump is really clever, isn't it, Because if she uploaded just one photo of him, it looks like, you know, it's more serious. I love the photos that people choose to put the Instagram dump when the main one is just to soft launch the relationship, as you said, like pictures of food and now. I was like, yeah, no one cares, Yeah whatever, Lo where's the boy? And I'm like just so feeling so fucking happy right now, Like I've got my dogs, I've got my kids. A week on from Sky Wheatley and Michael Finch's public falling out, the pair have been posting subliminal quotes directed at one another. So I can you bring us up to speed? Yeah, we'll just to refresh everyone's memories. Last week, we did break the news that Sky Wheatley made controversial comments about OnlyFans creators, which were aired on Michael Finch's vlog. So initially, instead of apologizing, Sky tried to shift the blame to Michael for posting the content and said that it was never meant to be shared. She said, I'm so upset it's been post still on line. This was out of my control. I was having a conversation with a so called friend out of anger. Shocked it's been posted to be honest, trust no one. So since then, she did speak to So Dramatic and apologize for the comments, but she hasn't issued a formal apology on her own platform. It seems like she's trying to shut down any further publicity around the comment. It's a weird PR strategy talking to So Dramatic but then not addressing it on her own channel. Like I feel like, if you're a public figure, you owe it to your fans to actually apologize or at the very least acknowledge the wrong thing that you've done. I feel like it's actually clever of her though, because you know she's not not everyone would have heard about it. And also she's sort of pushed all the attention towards this friendship breakdown, so everyone's talking about the friendship breakdown as opposed to the offensive comment she said. So she did do a Q and A and a follower wrote to Sky saying miss you and Michael already, and she responded by sharing a photo of Forest look upset and then did a sad face and a broken heart emoji. So it's interesting that some of her followers are picking up on this friendship breakdown, but she hasn't actually addressed it yet. It's not why used to hang out all the time they did. They were on results yeah a bit, but like not every day or anything. It's clear that people know what's going on. Yeah. Well, she followed up that with also a quote. So she shared a quote on her Instagram story saying there's a certain disrespect that an apology or explanation doesn't fix. So she's trying to clearly push it that Michael has apologized to her, acting like he's in the wrong. Well, Michael followed it up the next day by sharing the quote I can respect a bad decision, but I can't respect a liar, and he accompanied it with the caption peace out girl scout. I know it seems immature to be posting quotes directed at people. It seems very like MSN days when you put a song lyric, But I love it. To me, it seems more like twenty sixteen when people would just share these passive aggressive quotes on Facebook. I like it though, because I don't know I like it without saying it. Yeah, you're trying to like read into it. They just said it for her if they go on this story and just say I like, Michael's too clever for that, you know, when you really want to put something up passive aggressive. I love actually looking through the quotes. You're like, yeah, that that really was. It wasn't funny when you go through your camera roll and you realize what moment of time you're in your life and you're like, what's all this stuff. There's all these sex in the city quotes with this, Well, that's right, heartbreak. I have been keeping an eye on Michael's content this week, and he has been hanging out a lot with his og influence of friends, and they appear to be siding with him. So Shannie and Michael seemed to be getting a lot closer, and Shanny did share some banter that she had with Michael over text message about a funny photo she sent him, and also it was funny because she focused on the fact that you know when you add a little photo, you know, when people ring you, you can add the little profile picture. So her photo was this total flashback. It was one of Michael Finch's first ever photo shoots, so he looked like a completely different person. And he re shared the photo and was like, Wow, playing this game again, Shiny. That was my first ever photo shoot, by the way, So I don't know, it just reminds me of old times. And they were also seen hanging out together at a recent brand event where Lily Brown was also there. So it seems like the gangs all back to the sides. The sides have been picked, haven't they. Yeah. Well, the thing is, it seems like a bit of a fuck you to Sky because I feel like Michael was the only one out of that group that actually liked Sky or tolerated her. I feel exhausted. I feel like we've unleashed a lot of goss today and I think that's all we have today. As I said if anyone has any juicy information they want to send us, our DM's always open now. This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the Garner people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past and present, and if you want to join in on all the conversations, please head over to our Facebook group which has outspoken the podcast community. And also if you haven't already, please leave us a review if you love the podcast, and make sure you are subscribed on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify and seven