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Published Feb 28, 2024, 11:00 AM

It's a double dose of Canadian crooners this week on 'Our Way,' with Paul and Skip welcoming Michael Buble to the mic! Together they luxuriate in all things Rat Pack, as Michael shows off his best impressions of Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra, Skip discusses what it's like living with Ella Fitzgerald's ghost, and Paul regales the group with tales from his time hanging in Vegas steam rooms with Ol' Blue Eyes and Co. Michael takes it back to his early days, explaining how his grandfather instilled in him a love of music, and how Paul proved a crucial early mentor. He also opens up about how his son's health scare recalibrated his life and made him embrace his reputation as "The King of Christmas." With two high profile Canadians in the room, talk naturally turned to two of Canada's greatest exports — hockey and Drake — as well as Paul's recent run as a viral TikTok star. 

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Hey, skip it? Hey, what's going on?

How you do buddy?

We got Bublet coming up.

We got to talk about what we're gonna you know, what we're gonna say to him?

What?

Yeah?

Yeah?

I want to ask him, like, you know, young people they go into rock and roll, why would he want to get into like the great American songbooks, I mean, instead of rock and roll, which would be pretty much a natural right.

Did you see him on television the other night when he did the Barry Gets.

And did at the Kennedy Center Honors that we had an assassic. Yeah, he's saying, how can you mend a broken Yeah?

Yeah, And they kept panning.

Over to Barry Gibb, and Barry Gibb literally had tears in his eyes, and the audience.

Was I was.

They looked like they were stunned.

I mean, he just totally nailed it.

Yeah, he's good. His grandpa and his father weaned him on it. Because when I first met him and got involved with him and was part of the first album, et cetera, et cetera, I knew right away that this kid was going to take a piece of that end of the music business. And he had doors, the rat pack and all that stuff. We talked for days. When we hung out, it was at my home, and you know he lived he he was.

It was an Elephantzgerald's house.

Yeah, I live in Elphant. I live in That's that's your house.

Right Yeah yeah, yeah.

Because he loves el Fitzgerald. So you got to hit him up on that.

I know.

It's amazing because you talk to a lot of these top singers and you asked what made Ellen's so great, and they say she hit the center of every note.

And she was really something.

Yeah.

The board.

By the way, when you're talking about the rat pack, I mean the fact that you were in the steam room with Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and those guys. I mean you got to talk about that because you.

Left one let you left one word out.

Honey, I was in the steam room and they were nude, talk about having trouble with eye contact, right, and they were twice my age. And I'm walking into these guys I idolized and they're sitting there new. I mean, I could tell you who won the hung department.

That would be very very cool.

Yeah, and you told me he's in the bourbon business, and you know, as you know, I have a bourbon business.

Yes, guys, so I.

Want to go about that.

Yeah, I want to hear how he got into the business, how they're doing, you know whatever.

So that'd be that'll be funn.

Yeah, because I introduced to to Larry Ruvo, who who put him in that scene, and he's very excited about it. But yeah, you're so successful with yours, So you guys have to rap about that. But you you, I'll bring it up and then you can go it. Okay, Okay, Yeah, that'd be perfect, perfect because he's cool, he's a real nice guy, easy to talk to, and he'll love him. He's been a good family man. He's a good good family and he's.

Got a great family.

And he loves he loves hockey. I mean, there's so many areas. I mean this guy, he's.

Not a one trick pony.

I mean there's so many things you know that he does that we.

Can Yeah, and you know, I know him right from the beginning. I think the second month in when he was still scuffling and recording, I loaned him five thousand dollars for rent and he just paid me back the last installment two weeks ago.

Wow, that's amazing after ten years.

All right, man, all right, so looking forward to it. I think we're on for tomorrow afternoon. I've got the notes we talked about, great and we'll we'll hit him up on that.

See what's going on in his life.

You've done all right?

Love you love your sleepwarm, sleepwarm shout che By the way, right, how are you?

Jordan? Who's here with us? We got Jordan and Skip.

Richard, Skip Bronson sale over, my buddy Booblay and my buddy Skip and you got Jordan, and you know me. You've had me for how many years?

Now?

Can you believe we've known each other since so far?

Twenty over twenty one years?

Dude?

Can you imagine? You know my claim to fame with him? I loved him so much. He needed rent money? Remember that? Oh yeah, and I gave him five gunny.

He just paid me off. I forgot that last week, Jay, God, so much happened, Paul, you did that time? I got a scary time, buddy.

We used to play hockey.

And I remember five grand because I made a deposit to stay on West Hollywood, this apartment in West Hollywood. And you know what's even crazier. I didn't have a bed. I didn't have a bed bed, No, sir, I did not. I would.

I started unting around. I know you were laying on one of them.

They all loved you. I thought I went to like Costco or something, and I bought a I bought this this blue blow up mattress kind of thing. Yeah, it was horrible, but you know what, he horrible, But the pant of time, it was like but even then, it was like, Wow, I'm in Hollywood. You know I'm doing this?

He were he was so let me tell you something. Along with his talent, he was so humble and open to this world that he had walked into. And I was so in love with this guy because you know, it wasn't easy. You know, it wasn't easy for him or me started that young. But Michael was in there and we did everything. Hey, Michael was telling the story about when we were looking for money to do the album and I got the guy that made boxes, remember the guy in Australia, And I got five hundred thousand to make the album because he believed like Foster and I believed. And then things just went from there into Warners. I've never spoken to the guy since. I think he would like to put me in one of his boxes and buried me.

Yeah, because that because that was the deal went away. You know, funny, we've never talked about it. Why are we? Why have we had it? How it went away.

Because we went to Warners we had no money.

But that's not what happened.

Oh what happened?

I know because you're because you're busy and you're living a life where you're you're, you're, you're doing a million different things. Yeah, so what happened is we I had the money. What I did was I went bank to bank with Bath at the time, and Bev got this this sweet Indian guy came up with the money and came to Foster, and because Foster didn't want to do it, he he was. He just kept saying, I'm never going to produce you. I'm never going to sign you to the label. He's over and over again he kept saying it. So, uh, finally I said, okay, well, you know, we kept driving him nuts. Bav kept saying, well, what does it take, come on, what does it take?

Give us?

So what is the thing?

You know?

And he said and finally he got pissed off. He said, oh, you know what, it takes a grand a song? Okay, six songs, and he says, and I'll do the demos, but then Warner would get right of her first ride refusal or something like that. And what he didn't expect was that Bev and I would go to Vancouver and find the money and we got a guy to invest. So he came and we showed up to Malibu. Remember David's that place in Malibu. We had the upstairs with all the this piano with all the anyway, and I says, here's the money. We got the money. And he said, oh, now he's in Troup. Now he's got Now he's now he's got to do it, you know. So he goes, okay, so we'll do this. And then we went to Vegas and I was opening for Jay Leno, and I remember that I got that night. I had had quite a few drinks and I was quite late, and he said to me, you're gonna come and I want you to come to my villa tomorrow morning because I'm I got Paul Ank, you know, like I like you to meet him. Holy shit, Paul Ank? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding? And I was loaded, okay, Pall. I'd spend all night drinking hard, and I'd hang out to blackjack tables, you know. And I was so nervous. And so we came into the the his villa and you were wearing a house coat, and he walked in, and I remember you were very sweet with me, you know, very warm, always very warm with me. And uh David went to the concierge guy or or whatever it's called, the butler though the villa butler, and said, bring in a piano and they rolled in a piano and he sat down at the piano and he said, what should we do?

And you said, well, how about my way?

And so he sat down and as usual, the guy the greatest goddamn piano player in the world.

And you didn't know, how do.

I play this?

How what is this?

And uh? And I went and no end isn't here, and I sang, and you stopped me and you said, okay, that's enough.

I'm in.

He said, I'm in, I'm in. What do you need? And David said, we need about one some eight hundred grand were one point two million to make this thing? And I remember bab Delis at the time just bawling, uncontrollably crying, you know, and this this kid, you know, that worked so long and so hard that this was the moment that it was going to happen. So then I moved down to La You put me up on the place in Westwood there.

Yeah.

We made four or five songs and we're a couple of weeks in and this drummer, you know, the drummer I used to answer the phone at the studio and I go, chart maker, Michael, here, how can I help you? And he says, hey, hey, Mike, you know I played drums on the on that demo.

I said, oh yeah.

He said, listen, I'm just wondering, where's the where's the money? You know? He says, I don't want to break balls, but my check never came. And I said, oh, that's that's impossible. So I went into the other side. Remember we had the two studios, the elephant kind of studios. And I went into the other side and I said, David, I said, uh, what's happening. He's I just got a call saying that the money didn't come through for hit their drummer, you know. And he said to me, and then he had a used to remember he had that little machine he used to when he was mixing. He would touch tap the buttons right right right, yeah, I can't remember. It was this weird thing he had like invented where he would get a little box splice the you know, splice the takes together. And I remember that he put his pencil in his mouth and he put his glasses down and he said, hey, the deal felt And I said what And he said, Mike, man, this isn't going to happen with me. And he said and I'm really sorry because I know that you know how excited you were. He said, listen, it's going to happen for you, it's just not going to be with me. And dude, my whole world, Paul. I mean, I was there, Paul, I had it, I had it all it was, you know, and my whole world crashed and I I died, and uh, I remember I didn't BEV was gone, she had the car and.

She'd taken off.

And Alberto Gettica was this producer that we were working with, engineer, and he said, I'll drive you home to Westwood and I said okay. So he drove me home and he parked beside the building. He didn't go in the driveway, and then he looked at me and he said, listen, David Foster doesn't like confrontation. He doesn't like it at all. It makes them uncomfortable. He said, well, what are you doing here? It's special and unique and great, and he said, you need to make David Foster feel uncomfortable. You need to confront him. And here's what you need to say. And Paul, when I tell you, Alberto Getica word for word went through exactly what I would say to Foster h And about three days later, four days later, Kenny G and his wife were having an anniversary party and I had been there, you know, Todave David used to have me sing it all those things, and I said, David, can I speak with you in the other room? You know? He said okay, yeah, yeah, And I just regurgitated every single thing that Domberto said, and I, you know, looking dead into his eye. And I was very confrontational. And it worked because about two days later he called me and he says, let's see where a twenty six year old kid knows about the record business. And we went to go to Warner, to that old studio in Burbank, that studio the remember, the big Warner, the big Win and H. David was even nervous. And we walked in the room with Tom Wally, who was the president at the time. Tom sat down. Tom sits down and he says, first thing, why should we sign you to reprise? He says, we have Sinatra? And I said, with all due respect, mister Wally, Sinatra was gone, he's dead. I said, give me a chance, give me a chance to keep this music alive, and I will work harder than any artist has ever worked for you, and I can do it right, you know, I genuinely I love it. I live it, and you give me a chance, I'll show you that. And we walked out of the office that day and I said to David, Hey Foster, I said, you know, thank you, thank you. I said, for you know, putting your balls on the line there. And I said, what do you think? And he had no idea. Paul, he looked at me and he said yeah. He said, Mike, you did a great job. You know what I had promised him. Paul to David was I said, if you let me go into the president, you get me into that meeting. And he tells me to get lost. I said, I'll never ever bother you again because I was driving on nuts. And they signed me. And you know, Paul, thank god you came, you stayed, you were the executive producer. You helped me pick up. Here's the thing, so and it all sort of come together. What's what's interesting for me to tell people this story, which is so strange, is that you know, this was Paul anka International superstar and there he was where he would we put two rocks against the doors as a goal and Paul would have a tennis racket, and Paul was the goalie from Ottawa, you know, and I would have my tennis ball and my hockey stick and we'd be we'd be doing takes. I'd be singing, put your head on my shoulder, you know, and then coming out in the break so that we and he was and I don't know if you know this story, Paul, but you were so sort of humble, so that my parents and grandparents came to visit the studio one day and Paul, you were in a black cap with just a T shirt, you know, real casual track pants or something, and you were, you know, you were standing outside there was it used to be this little outside the studio. There was these little kind of little call them flower pots, little terrace. My mom thought you were the gardener for the longest time she did.

That was my prior.

And then and then the gardener, the gardener came out and said, Hi, good to meet you. I'm paul An. It's a real pleasure to me. She said, Holy ship, the gardener is Paul Anka.

That's true.

We had.

Remember we had so much fun that he was making moves and go to those restaurants.

He knows what he's doing with a stick. Let me tell you something. He loves his hockey and Skip's got some hockey stuff, but Michael knows his way around Skip that hockey. He loves it to this day when we converse. I mean, he'll tell you he's like, he's like the voice for the Vancouver team. He's got one guy.

I love that team, man, and we just we're a you know what, Paul just doing this. I was just talking to those hockey guys on there on their show, and I know you know this, but I kept saying to them, there's a lot that we share in common with those athletes. There's a ton there really is high pressure job. Yeah, it's it's a high pressure job where performance means everything.

People watching you, people watching your performance, ego, fear insecurity, ask around you, people you can't trust, it's all there. And then it's money.

Money, It's all there, man.

Yeah.

And by the way, most people have a pretty short window, like there's there's very few people that you know, are Paul Ancas where you were in what how many how many years?

Is there baseball my eighth decade.

That's that's it's not normal. I mean talk about not normal to be around here.

Still you you you got a long journey ahead of you, and you've already come out this farest and so five. I just want to know what whiskey other than your own? What are you drinking today?

I mean that you're talking about other whiskeys?

Yeah, I mean are you true to your own? Yes? But I mean back then, you you're hitting about two or three. I mean you loved your boots.

Yeah. I mean I'm going to be really honest with you. I enjoy my own whiskey too much. It's a problem. I'm gonna say.

We were selling out there. Man. You can't selling out in Canada, right.

I went. I took my family to their Christmas party. We went to a restaurant called Orange the other night. Yeah okay, And I was gonna go nice and quick, We'll have nice dinner, bring the kids. And my sister Brandy said to me, what she said, you're gonna what are you gonna do? She says, you never hang with us have a drink? I says, really, Brandy, I'm good tonight. You know I don't want to. She said, have one with us? And I had one. I poured an effort, actually it's not true. I had an f and t old fashioned. Okay, I made a nice little old fashion had just tasted. It just went down too smooth and too fast, and then the next one too, and the next one after that ended. At about three point thirty in the morning, I found myself outside saying to my brother in law, Yu, maybe I should get a new burg home. And I felt so ill, Paul that I watched football all day yesterday. Thank God, my wife loves me and she has mercy on me, because I felt I did the thing. You've done the thing a million times, me and the shower saying what was he doing? Why did you do that?

But I remember I was there with you on a few of those. You know, Skipson is in the booze business. You know that?

Oh no way, yeah, tell me about it.

You've It came about sort of a different kind of way. A group of us bought a golf course in uh Chattanooga, Tennessee called Sweeten's Cove. And there was always a tradition at this golf course, Michael where he took a shot before you teeed off. So we decided, why don't we create our own brand. So we created a whist of bourbon called Sweeten's called Bourbon. My partners are the the Manning brothers, Peyton Manning, Eli and Cooper Manning, Andy Roddick, the last American winner of the US Open tennis tournament, Jim Nance that you watch a lot of football, Jim Nance. And those are all my partners. And we have a very very successful Bourbon who was rated the highest ranked new bourbon when it first came out two years ago. We had a premium super premium two hundred dollars bottle version, and then we came out with a more popular price still high price, fifty dollars a bottle called Tennessee because of course the barrels come from Kentucky, but we distill it in Tennessee. What Tennessee Distillery, the same distillery that does Bob Dylan's Kevin's Door and you know, and also White labels all the whiskey for Costco. So yeah, it's been it's been a lot of fun. We've done really well with it. It's still you know, it's still in its infancy, but you know, it doesn't sell the way to kill itselves. But it's done very very well.

I've learned to be patient. It's a business where you have That's what it is. It's interesting, you know. I named my son, my second son, after one of those Manning brothers. I named him after Eleas Patterson and Eli Manning, and my wife I really loved I always loved the name. I really liked Manning a lot. I just thought he had a great personality. I thought he had a great playing career. And Eleas Patterson when we drafted him, I already knew, I mean, at least I thought he was going to be a great hockey player. And so I named my son. And it's funny because my wife. I kept saying to my wife, you know, I really like Elias, you know, or Elias.

I do you want to call Elias?

And she kept saying Elijah. I like Elijah. And it's one of the few times that I ever really sort of stuck to my guns and thought, can I please have this one? Can I have Elias? So it's it's interesting, you know. The whiskey thing for me was it was it just came out of nowhere. It was about me and my wife. We had we had bought, we'd become a part owner of this little this really wonderful boutique distillery in Montreal called Circa and and we just did it because we thought it'll be fun. You know what a cool thing for a husband and wife to do.

Is in a partnership.

And and then I I, you know, as you know, Paul Larry Ruvel.

Uh, he's a friend was the reason.

Yeah, he's what and what a beautiful dude. And he said to me because we called him and said, you know, any advice, like, we don't know what we're doing, and you know, we don't expect you know, we just you know, what, what do you do with this little boutique, this wonderful thing. And and he's the one who said, I think you go and talk to Shelley Stein in New York. And Shelley was the head of West Brands and UH, and we became partners and UH and then heaven Hill for the first time in over one hundred years the family is the first time they've ever worked ever an outside Brandon. They started to help help us make a whiskey from Kentucky and and and partly from this distillery in UH in Montreal, and so very quickly I started to see that it was becoming what it was becoming even though it never you know, it didn't start that way. But at this point it's been a lot of fun. Skip, it's been a lot of fun and having so much fun man. And you know what doing the going out and meeting you know, I like people, so it's an easy thing for me to go and meet meet the buyers, you know what I mean, meet you know, meet der bar owners, meet restaurant tours. Because I like it. Man, I doant to have a drink with everybody, and I you know, it's easy.

I'm happy I yan killed you to Larry because I knew he'd be big in your life and Larry would be there.

For well Larry. Now Larry owns part of the company. He's with me there.

And when I introduced you to him, I said, this is these are two guys that should know each other.

He's a great guy, do you know, I think the great Do you remember Paul the story of us too, when.

You did the when I you did his charity.

Yeah, yep, very much. Sure for the charity.

Well, I'll tell you at the end of the story because Michael won't. Because I said, Michael, you've got to really meet this guy. And I think Michael's manager, Bruce was moving to Vegas. The short of it is, he hires Michael to do his amazing Alzheimer charity every year. I mean, he's so dedicated to it. Anyway, Michael shows up, hits the home run that he always does, and at the end of it, Michael Boublay gave him back the check that he had given him. He gave Rubo back the check for his charity. That's my boy, man, It was, it was. It was really moving, man.

And to see how it affected his family and you know how karma, how crazy is karma?

Where I don't address believe.

Me, but dude, who knew that years after that, not long after that, my grandmother would be diagnosed with dementia and it would literally change the whole I mean, it would just change our family completely, the whole dynamic of our family. And you know, I just I watched my mom. My mom is a great my mom is a great daughter, and I watched my mother give up ten years of her life in dedication to her mom, and it just you know, and it made me even happier that I had had that relationship with Larry, because he's got an incredible foundation he's got one of the biggest you know, he's got.

That center in Vegas, which is just unbelievable.

And as a matter of fact, you know, Paul, I just did a movie.

I just did the Uh.

Yeah, I just did a movie about Alzheimer's. I was I was the.

Commission I will a documentary or commission.

Yeah it's yeah, it's a documentary and I'm the I'm the uh a narrator and uh it's it's about And it's funny because I called Larry and and uh and before I did it, before I did the film, I said, says, I want to know if I'm helping, you know, I want to know if what we're talking about here is on the up and up.

And I know it's controversial.

And I want to make sure that that it's okay with you and uh and and other doctors in Bolts and basically Paul. The film it's called Memories for Life, And what they're saying is that there are other ways because pills, I mean, it's a death sentence, right. You get you get that, you know, diagnosis, it's over for you. It's just a matter of time. But there's a doctor who has discovered that through intense dietary change is an exercise. Not only can you slow down the effects of dementia and Alzheimer's on the brain, but you can reverse it. You know, we're not stuck.

No, you know, there's a lot of events.

So yeah, there's a lot of the batsment. So I just I loved it. It's so funny how life happens though, Like that, isn't it.

Yeah, where you talk about those connections, Michael, You know, Larry of course is affiliate. His charity is affiliated with Cleveland Clinic. And yes, my mother in the late nineteen sixties was the first woman in America to have heart bypass surgery. It was done at the Cleveland Clinic. They had done two men, and then my mother was the first female to ever have heart bypass surgery. It was done at the Cleveland Clinic on Euclid Avenue in Cleveland. When I met Larry and started talking to Larry about Cleveland Clinic. You know, Paul and I always talk about the six degrees of separation. It's rather remarkable. But just on a lighter note, not talking about illness. The house that I live in, Eli Fitzgerald lived in the house that I live in. She lived in the house twenty five years, and I've lived in it twenty three years. So your friend in Paul's friend, my friend Quincy Jones. The day we first bought the house twenty three years ago, he came over to the house and he walked in the front door, and he paused just inside the door, and he looked up and he said, Ella, I feel you. And he said, you know, Skip, she wanted to die in this house because she had diabetes. She was at Cedar's son in a hospital and they unfortunately had an amputator leg. But she came home to the house. So Quincy looked at me and said, she died in near bed. Man, she died in near bed. I say, Quincy, she may have died in my bedroom, but I promised I brought my own bed when I bought the house. Quincy, he was such a character. He always whenever he's been to the house, he always walks in, does the same thing at the front, stops past cut I can feel your baby.

When I'm asked as a vocalist, who's you know, who's the who are the greatest singers of all? I always say, and it's the true, The greatest in my opinion, the greatest singer who ever lived, and I mean ever ever lived, in my opinion, was Alant. There has been no one with control, tone, action. She is a machine. I couldn't even understand how she could do what she could do. And Paul, when you when you get asked, what do you say?

Well, el Ella, certainly. And Louis Armstrong I loved you know, people aren't aware of how good forget the trumpet. I mean, here's a kid that was get out of jail, lived with another family, and he worked his way. But as a vocalist, I loved Louis Armstrong. Dean Martin is underrated. He's a good thing, without question. And and you and I know, because you know all those days we spent, I gave you all those the Sinatra arrangements that you in fact, you know the one that work clicked in for me with Michael digressing a little. He came on stage with me at the Mirage and we sang I've got you under my skin to the Nelson riddled arrangement. Now here's a young guy which I could identify because I was what sixteen, He got up there and kicked the shit out of that song when we sang it, and I knew there and then, against all odds of what was going on in the music business, that this guy needed his name and persona in the spotlight. And that was and I gave you but three or four of those Sinatra arrangements. Remember what you put.

On the Oh yeah, but for me, those arrangements are just unreal.

Yeah, they're the best and Sinatra for you and I, we've spoken about it stylistically owning the lyric as he did. I think you and I agreed that he he was the guy.

You know, he's a beast ball He's a beast. Yeah, honestly, he's a beast. It's like talking about a baseball player. Yeah, you know when the baseball player. You can have talent, okay, talent, but the physicality, the way that that instrument was built, he was a beast. Ah.

Yeah, you know it is. It's like what you've got. When people say to me that voice, that voice, I say, it's genetic, genetic. The tone in his voice where people have tone. He had that genetic magic that anyone that stood in front of a band came second. He ruined it for all singers all through the years. You couldn't get in front of a band because he owned and with Frank, if you heard the first five seconds of anything, he owned you and you knew who it was. Yeah, you do.

It's interesting because I've spent so many years Paul trying to deconstruct voices. Yeah, yours included you know, the stylistically, what what does Alla?

What?

How?

What makes Frank gray? What makes Dean great? The way Dean drops us up a glottis and everything is, Oh, he has that thing.

He does a little love.

Body lovesal.

I love you, you will to do it? You hop me up to do it.

And the other night I was in the car and I was listening to the song in one of the radio stations, one of three point five was on and they had Sinatra. I said to my wife, I said, listen, Lou, And I started to notice something that I'd never noticed before. No vibrato, No vibrato until the last, the end of maybe the fourth phrase. So many singers that you hear would say, Oh the weather outside is frightful, but the fire is so delightful. The vibrato you hear, that's the shake of the voice. And I noticed that he was going, oh, the weather outside his fight. Oh but all straight, yeah, but the fire m they're light full and since we have no place too smooth, all smooth zero zero, and it's almost talking.

It's like he was talking.

Yeah, and yet somehow tonally.

Oh, some of Michael, someone have verbrados you could walk through. I'm not going to name any names because I have respect for our fellow artists, but you know the ones that are very apparent. And this guy, when he would would shud a song, he'd go with Jimmy van Heusen because I was in that circle, and he and Jimmy would go down to Palm Springs and they would would shed every song, every approach and they'd sit in Palm Springs and he would rehearse. You know, I've got access to the my Way track. You know he did it in one take and when you listen to his isolated vocal, it's amazing. I'll play it for you one day, Michael, Paul I have.

I have sat and tried in every recording over twenty years to emulate the to emulate the feeling I get. Yeah, when listening to those old records. By the way, Paul, you it's not the same either. Your some of your records, okay, your older records. Yeah, I'm saying when you were you know, a kid, a kid. Yeah, terrible Yeah, well but no they're not terrible. Squeaky voice. Yeah, but I'm just saying that the mix, the mix, the arrangements, the sound that you got in the studio, which I know you're standing in the middle of that goddamn room. It's not you didn't do this. And then the drummer did a separated track, and then they put Paul ank in and Paul sang forty times and they kicked it to get it together. I have tried for twenty years, in every which way with every producer. I still haven't figured it out. Okay, I do my best. I put all room, I do room mics. Yeah, I go and I put a mic in the middle so I can the sound doesn't bleed too much. But it never sounds like they sounded. It just doesn't.

We would stand in the middle of the room, we rehearse for a couple of hours, and then we just record. It's all just pure blood, sweat, honesty and what you got on that little quarter inch tape that was it. And when you wanted to make an edit. They took out a razor blade and scotch tape and they'd cut the tape and they put the scotch tape and that was your edit.

What kind of vocal training did you have, if any?

I went to a woman named Sandy Ellis, Sandy Siemens Ellis for years, and then I went to It's interesting. But I went to a guy. And I don't want to be cruel, but I don't think I had ever been so bored in my entire life. I went to a vocal coach named Joseph Shore, and he would sit with me and tell me.

About the mechanics of the voice and why opera singers had stronger instruments, and how it was possible through training the muscle to have an approach it killed it.

I used, and I was a kids seventeen years old. The lesson I would be sitting. But you know what what I liked about him, and I didn't like when teachers would when the coaches would say to me, now I want you to feel the note. I want you to see, and I would trying to see the fuck, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Do you know what I'm talking about acting coaches acting.

It's like and now you see it and as you lift the note, and I would be my body doesn't understand. I don't know what that means. I would try to fake it, but it would be faking it. And this guy Joe would bring down a chart, no shit, a chart of the of anatomy of the of the and he would say he did is non that's what it's doing. When you drop the epigloons and you go down to that place, Wow, that gives you this sound that you want for these songs. And when you need a range where we need to hear your head voice, I want you. And it was all clinical, I mean clinical, boring, clinical, but he helped me to understand, you know. And then more than more than anything skip, it was me stealing. I say it all the time. I say to every parent who ever asked me about their kid, I stole and I still steal if I find something that's beautiful. And what Al's doing in the way that she has a trill changing going. I don't know what it's called when they do the what's that scatting that? But that it's not scatting, it's it's gymnastics. It's the gymnastics.

Like that gymnastics.

There's a million things I just steal.

Do you feel you have to be a good actor to be a good singer the way you were?

I think we are actors.

That's what it is.

What made you go into classic songs? Most young guys want rock and roll. That's sort of your writing.

Why I was so in love with my Grandpa's records when I tell you, And it started, by the way, in a very strange way. It started with the infiltration musically coming with Bing Crosby and me being a little little boy and you know, and hearing Bing Crosby's Christmas record playing through my house. And that was my introduction. And then when I say little as young as I can or this was how that music got to me. That's how that those arrangements, the musicianship, the harmonies of the Andrew sisters and him, that is it was. It was infiltration, It really was.

It was.

You know, there's if anyone wonders why my Christmas stuff is so big, well it came from there. That's that was where I found this style of music. God, the grooves were so chunky, you know, I don't care if you like Drake or whoever in hip hop, none of them got beats that are as fat as those beats. They are fat swinging, you know. And because it was a Christmas thing, Oh Christmas, those songs were got unbelievably constructed, Those players were unbelievable, those arrangements were unbelievable. And so it was an introduction to this world of sound. And you know, and by the way, I thought it was incredibly suave and romantic. And then having a grampa who just happened to me be my best friend Skip, who would sit with me on the floor. And by the way, play me Paul Ink, and play me Bennett, and play me Sinatra, and play me the Mills brothers say and tell me the stories. You know this is these are these are the Mills brothers. Okay. And you know who really loved the Mills brothers, This guy Dean Martin, you want to listen, He.

Himself after them exactly.

And so I I just was infatuated by it. And my grandpa used to have a record player where you take the old record and then he would he would tape them onto a cassette. This was quite new at the time. You know, really exciting stuff, and I would listen. I would listen over and over again. I would sit all night and I would listen to Sinatra and the Pied Pipers, and I would lay in bed at fourteen and try my best to figure out how to sound there's no sun up in the sky, storm me with and try to get that you know, that vibrato that you know. But I listened so much Skip. I studied without knowing it was studying that. It was so organic that I had. I knew thousands of goddamn songs before I was Dean.

That's a song. And they would Dean used to sing in the steam room.

Don't know why. I got a lipstick on my fly sloppy blow job and he was singing. You know, we'd all hang in the steam room. You got all my idols. But Michael, you canna appreciate it. And I'm this kid with these guys and were walking around nude, Dean, Sammy, Frank nude, and I'm new on the scene.

I mean talk about having trouble with eye contact, right, and all they did was sing. Man, I mean, Dean had every He was the physically the most funniest guy you'll ever want to be around. Naturally, when they were massaging them on the table, you know, when they pressed down hard with the oil, he had a way of flying off the table onto the floor. And you know, we all had our robes, you know, I was like the kid. Dean Martin was Dago, you know, with respect between Frank and him, they could say that Dago. Sammy Davis was Smoky the bear. Frank was the Pope.

You know.

The education and the experience I got with those guys I could never ever replace, you know, Mike. I mean I wished, and you've done your homework. I mean, you know, but those guys how they you know, I'm a kid. I'm nowhere in their league. I'm doing my cocka made teenage songs. But I'm in there with them. And what I learned and the style and the commitment of those guys was just an education for me. Let me ask you, Michael, when you started back in five with us, right, would you attempt to do that today with the music, seeing the way it is, What would your feeling be?

Yes? I would you would? I have to answer that. Honestly. Here's the thing. The kids today, okay, and this is this is just completely one percent true. I talked to the record company. They go, oh, we've just signed this kid. We're really excited about the kid. I says, great, I've seen the kid on TikTok. The kid's good. And I says, how is the kid on stage?

Oh?

The kids? The kid's never been on stage. How do you mean the kids never been on stage?

Oh?

No, the kids. It never sung outside the bedroom. You know, I wouldn't mean they never stand outside the bedroom because the kid can they entertain? Oh no, we don't know. We don't know. But we've got a great following. And so what's happened is they signed the kid because they had a song that went viral and did two hundred million downloads. But that's all they want. Give us the song. You know, we're going to build our publishing. We're going to make billions of dollars because every time it plays, a might just be pennies, but we have we have a lot of pennies stacking up. Yeah, there's no interest many times in growing that business, in creating, you know, putting investing in this person and saying hey let's start here. We're gonna start at clubs. Okay, we might get to theaters. So once we get to theaters, we could do some soft seaters and suett Maybe once it gets really big, we might get into arenas. There's only a few people out there who I see doing that, And for me, that's a good business. And by the way, Paul, I don't give a shit if you're adding one fan a day. If you're adding one fan a day, that's a good business. You're just to grow it. Even if it's that slow, that's steady, because that's something that can be built into having a career. I just don't you know, Like I'll give you an example. My niece the other day, she came over and she said to me, you got to hear this song and this girl this great song. And I said, okay, and I listened to this good song. I said who is it? And my niece said, I don't know. And I said, how can you not know? And she said, I don't know. It's on a playlist. She said, I can go and look, because she had no interest in looking. She had no interest, Paul in finding out who this girl was, no interest in hearing another song, no interest in going through a discography, you know what I mean?

When I had dinner with you. Your son had written a song that you used on your album. How about that you remember your son, you know he was finishing it or when we were dinner. How about what kind of kick was that? Michael? Your son?

I mean, that was the greatest thing ever. Paul. Yesterday, yesterday he was at the piano. Paul and Paul, he can play the piano. He was playing the piano. I'm so jealous because I but I'm so proud. And you know what, I drove him nuts, going to take You're going to take your lessons. You're going to say, I don't want to do my lessons. And then we sat at the piano yesterday and he started playing and I said, oh my god, dude, I said, this is this is beautiful. I said, look at you. You're going to be you know what I mean? And I'm so I don't mean to sound cheesy, but the greatest gift a human being can have is love of music. Your partners in life will break your heart, your businesses might fail. You know, we're all going to go through a bunch of ship and suffering and pain. But the one thing that will never ever let you down is that romance with music.

Yeah.

Never. It will take you. It'll take you through your darkest times and by the way, it'll lift you up and inspire you to your greatest moments. You know, it's cinematic. It's it's what life is about.

You know, a.

Music.

They're all music of them.

Wow, how cool is that? Huh? Do you take them? Do they all go and tour with you?

Still?

Every time?

Everywhere? Yeah? They come everywhere.

That's so cool. I take them on too, I always have.

Yeah, I know, it's unbelievable.

It's the best.

You do that, it's the best.

You know.

What I want for my kids, I'd love to get them. What I'd love is, I tell my wife, I'd like them to come to work for me. I mean as kids, you know, fourteen fifteen. Sure, I wanted to come out and be part of the crew. I like them to learn, just you see what the electricians are doing, to learn to see what the wellder's I'm serious, No, I get I do like it because I think you know, you learn, you learn how adults talk to each other and treat each other. It's a lot different than how kids in school talk to each other. You learn, you learn common respect, you know, you learn what the hard, how to work hard, you know, to take pride in your work and to be fulfilled and getting up in the morning and help load those cases in and be there and see how hard those guys work. That thing doesn't just come up on its own. That stadium or that arena that wasn't there yesterday. These guys got in it got it five six in the morning, and they sweat and they had there was camaraderie and teamwork. And then, by the way, when you do that, then come out to the party afterwards. And you know, I'm not saying party, but I'm saying, if you want to come out and hang with your dad and we can hang till one in the morning, and you want to say and you want to work hard and play hard and come out and dance on the floor and you know, and be with us big guys and talk with us big guys. To me, that's it's what my dad did for me on a fishing boat pole. Yeah, that's why I'm here, That's why I'm who I am.

My dad did it because my dad, I worked in a restaurant. That's why I got into singing.

I hated it.

I had to peel potatoes sit in the kitchen, I said, I'm out of here. You know, Michael and I we all we all played hockey as kids, right, and I was a goalie and I realized somewhere and then I wasn't going to grow anymore because I'm not the tallest guy in town. But I love sports, and that's when I got into music. But you know, when I worked for my dad in the restaurant, in the back, peeling potatoes, you know, the fear was, I'm going to wind up with a restaurant, and in Canada, as Michael knows, we're under snow half the time and it's dark and dreary. But before you, Michael, I was like locked in my room. The only way I could see what was outside. Our windows had little holes in them. That's how we got the air. And I'd stab my pencil and look out and say, I got to get the hell out of here.

So when you were at that restaurant, Paul, when you were working like that, yeah, there was there good parts of it. Was it was there. Did you feel camaraderie? Did you feel Oh, I felt.

Close to my dad. I felt very much a part of the family business. I felt very much a part of work ethic. Work ethic, yes, which led into what I do now or even as a kid, just work ethic earning. You know, I was making three dollars a week. You know, I won my first contest collecting souper wrappers, and I went to New York because that every record I looked at was from New York. So I'm sitting there with forty kids from Canada eating these wet sandwiches. We stayed in New York, went back home, and then I had about one hundred bucks left from my paper route and Caddy I went back down. I got luck eate fifteen, walked into an office. But the work ethic, the family ethic which Michael has, and he's got a hell of a family around him, and I wanted to ask you about how does that feel now, Michael, with everything you've got to do, and you've broadened into everything being the father and then juggling everything else. I mean, there's a lot of people don't know how to do that or care to do that. But you know, when I see you with your kids and that great wife of yours, I'm so proud of you about that family side of you because you just don't see it. You don't see it anymore.

I didn't. There was no choice for me. I wish I could sit and tell you that there was some Yeah, there was no option. That's where I came from. It's the people I came from. Heah got a beauty you know me, you know, my mom and dad. Sure, just they're really beautiful, humble, gorgeous people, beautiful sisters. Hey, I'm lucky you have a manager. I got a manager that loves me like I'm his son, you know, And and they know what comes first. It's always family, my faith, My faith is first. My family's first. And uh, you know, like Bruce will even say, my manager, Bruce will say, you know, hey, you probably could have gotten further, you know without all of that other stuff. It's true. I get it. I understand it. It's a it's a you know, it's a business where you know, you get what you put you get out what you put in. And sometimes I wasn't always able to put in the time because you know, I wasn't going to I wasn't going to tour like that. I still, I mean, I think I'm the most financially irresponsible touring act probably on the planet.

There with you.

You're with me too.

I'm kicking it. They're not going to fight over my money. I'm spending it all. Fuck that I work too, I'm going to enjoy it. I don't want to be the richest guy in a graveyard. Never want exactly.

You know.

I just had so I just had a meet with Bruce and this guy Randy that works in the office. He says, you know, Mike, Randy says, you know, you should. You know, if you could just go and do the eight month tours, just to eight months hard and then you could see the family for a year and a half. I says, go find you shut up, And he says you could, that you can go do that. I said, I'm not. That's not my life. I'm not going to be happy to do that.

You know when you said you when he said you'd go further. The dynamic of family and real successful family in your life is the foundation of the better human being. Fuck going on those tours and making that extra buck and you'd be in trouble today with all these running around. You're a target. You're a pinota for women. We love your women, but it's a new world. Disagree with that, because the meaningful stuff, Michael, no matter what you're going into, is going to come for your family. And you see it, and you and I get it, you know.

Yeah.

But you know, Paul, we were you were alluding to it before. You're talking about my son Noah. Yeah, and you know that going through that, that health battle, you know, listen, if it hadn't been clear to me before, that was a there was complete clarity. I realized, you know, things, anything I was confused about had been cleared up in a moment and I mean a fucking in a moment. On Halloween Day, my life changed and I knew what mattered. It's interesting too, It's funny. I remember sitting there that day and I had at the time, the Christmas Record was just going. It just kept on going, and people didn't shut up about the Christmas record. A Christmas guy, Hey, Christmas guy, the King of Christmas King. And I really bothered me, you know, God, you know I'm more than that. I'm come on, I'm a successful time. I'm doing this and I'm doing I don't like it that they're talking about christ sated my wife. I don't like it that they call me that, you know, I got other things, you know, I'm killing it in fifty countries loop. And that day, I remember I sat in the bed at Chla and I don't know why, but I just I remember I thought, Wow, I'm so worried. My ego, my fault self is so worried that they're you know, talking to me about Christmas. What are you thinking about, Mike? What are you doing? You are connected to the most beautiful time in the whole of the year, where people are kinder and more empathetic, and they've got joy in their hearts, and they're inviting you into their homes to celebrate this time with their families, these core memories, these unique times, and you're who they're invited in. And you got a problem with this asshole and it really I remember is looking at my wife and saying babe. And my wife looked at me, because my wife has no gray, she's so black and white, and she looked at me and she said, yeah, honey, what are you talking about?

Of course, of course you know lose a good woman. You're very fortunate. He's really very scared. That was love at first sight for you, man.

Dude at first sight.

If I can pivot for a second. Back to another topic where we actually started. At the top of this, I was involved with the Hartford Whalers hockey team. First started in the WHA and then we wound up with an NHL franchise journey the late seventies. Yeah, it's still one of the highest, still one of the top sellers in the NHL store, I believe it or not. And you won't believe this, but in the late nineteen seventies, Gordi Howe ended his career in Hartford. We had Gordi how and his two sons, Mark and Marty, both sons Mark and Marty, and then we picked up the jet Bobby Hull. So we had in Hartford, Connecticut, right sort of not a major market. We had the Gordy how and Bobby Hall and it was an amazing time for me. So I wanted to just segue for a second because Paul had told me that you've got sort of a special situation downstairs at your house. I was hoping you could describe it to us.

Well, you know, it's funny. I was living in West Vancouver and I liked it there because it was real quiet, you know, you know, no neighbors ever talked to anybody. It's you know, you just live your life and you have this very independent life. And once I had my first son, I started to saying, Jesus, this is a little bit lonely for this kid. You know this I wanted to We were having playdates, but then you go out to the thing and have playates. And I said to my wife, you know, Lou, I'd love to go to Burnaby where I grew up. You know, I got all my friends there and my family's there. I'd like for the you know, for my house was always empty. We lived it, you know, it was just a big house on a hill in West Vancouver. And my best friend Carston was a realisted agent and he and my father just lucked out and found this plot of land that was across from the elementary school that I went to as a kid. And they said, listen, it's quite a few acres and it's a really good price. You know, you could build a dream house there. So I did and it was actually, weirdly enough, Paul. It was David Foster and he said, wow, you bought this big thing a land. He says, what are you going to do? I said, oh, I'm going to you know, make this. I'm going to build this place. And he said to me, you know, Mike, he said, I don't. I'm not. I don't own the Malibu place anymore. He said, it's just too much, too big, too expensive, all of that. He said, But you know, the advice I would give you is once in your life, do it once, you know, do the splashy thing once you know you don't have to do it again. You don't, but you know, you've worked your ass off, you got really lucky, you know, do something stupid, you know, And so I did. I called my dad and I says, Dad, I'd love to I'd love to have an ice drink. And my dad said, okay, let's look at it. And we figured it out. And the first thing that we did when we built this house, when they when they dug everything out, was in the foundation. The first thing that came was the foundation of the ice rink. And then we built the house believe it or not, around a zamboni. The zamboni, So the zamboni was in there first, and we started to build the rink. It's about half size or something like that, a little more half sized rink. It's a it's a blast.

I mean, I got Michael, how many Canucks come over? I got to know what's the content? How many of the Canucks? Anything is Paul?

The funny thing is as it's like as many guys, and there's guys by the way on on other other teams, or there's sometimes like you know, it's funny even the boys on the Giants, well now they're not on the Giants because now those kids play for the kid wont to Stanley Cup with Colorado. But all those boys come over and get on the ice with the kids, or I get. You know, there's there's actors, there's there's singers, there's.

They do you play full out games with hockey players? Just sit there?

You get you don't?

We do not?

You don't. And you don't skate.

You skate, no ice, we skate. But it's more listen. I'm just being honest. It's more drinking. It's more drinking.

And he might and I've been there, I've been I've been there. You know, I go way back with Gretzki. Okay, gave his first jet flights. And the senator is a great guy, and the senators what goes on in that room I'm not gonna spill it. All you talk about drinking and all, you know, ship and they go play funny. I'll never figure it out, man, And we drink till like in the morning, and they're on the ice at four. I couldn't believe it. Couldn't believe.

The other thing. The other thing I built is uh, I built a big green, a big green, you know, a big golf Yeah. And then I got I got these holes, you know, sixty ninety yards and to take a pitching pot, and I got a I got a tennis court, and I got a I built a soccer field.

Yeah.

And so they come over and I'm not kidding you, man. We play every game you can. We're throwing footballs, we're hitting golf. It's just it's kids. We're just being little kids.

Hey, Mike, you want to know something. This is this has been rolling out. You know, you never can predict how much time, how it vibes out. You know, we could sit and talk to you for hours, man, like you and I have been, and we respect the fact. Know you know you're going to look at a box to put your whiskey in because you don't like the shape of the Buck, so we we thank you so much for hanging with us.

And you know what I'm doing, and it's I'm taking I'm taking my kid. He's going to get an allergy tesch Oh you know when you go take him?

They oh yeah, they do it on the back.

I took.

I took ethan. They that back.

Literally that's literally my day as I go to the doctor. But the doctors are real sweet, real sweet guy. Paul, you're never coming because I know you're never coming.

Coming where I wish you would.

I wish you would go to Vancouver.

Well I get there if you just you know, I'll just make a trip. If I have to come up. Skip's a golfer, And if I have to come up, you know, for a day or two. I'd love to see you guys, and I see you.

I'm not done too.

I need to ask you major he's not guy.

Dude. Now, I'm fucking you know. I'm fascinated by you. Now, Skip, I'm gonna be it's going to be me googling you all night.

Yeah, how are you?

Why were you?

And why are the Hartford Whalers? How did you get involved in that?

It's funny. I was a real estate developer in Hartford, and the city went out and did everything asked backwards. So one of the things they did backwards they built an arena, but they didn't have a tenant for the arena. So there was a group of us that went to Boston and met with a friend, now a friend named Howard Baldwin actually one of the owners of the Pittsburgh Penguins later on, and he had a w h a team called the Boston Whalers. We said, look, you're always going to be the second class citizen. I mean the Boston Bruins. People think of hockey and Boston it's the Bruins. But if you come to Hartford, you'll be the biggest thing in the town. And we built this eighteen thousand seed arena. So I was the president of the Hartford Club at the time, involved in the business council, and we induced him to come to Hartford and we sold out. It was great, but there's sort of an ugly story to it at the end. When the team was ultimately sold was sold to a gentleman I won't say his name, but his initials are Peter Carmenos, and he bought the team and he said listen. I will tell you right now. I love it here. I'm buying it a home in Hertford, and this team will always be here. And two years later they were the Carolina Hurricanes. Carolina, so we lost the team, but it was amazing when it was there.

And Howell.

Gary Howard, of course he.

Was my I was a friend of my dad's and my dad to this day he's always a Canuck fan, but he always had to play. He always tells me that he had a special place in his heart always for the heart for whalers.

Isn't that great? But you know, can I just can I just add one thing? You know, I don't have a better friend than Paul. We talk about this all the time. We talk all night and it seems and we said, look, we should do a podcast. It'll be fun to do it and get some get some of our friends to be on with us. But the thing that I take away from from this with you is the same thing with him, and that's balance. You have balance in your life. You know, your family's important, your friends are important. You know you like hockey, you like football, you like doing all these things. You like working. Of course, now you're in a new business. You're in a whiskey business, but you're not just sole purpose like one line straight down. You just you know, try to do everything. And I think that's that's fabulous, that's beautiful. That's probably why we stay.

We have friends like Paul too, Like Paul, you know, the other day I told Paul this. The other day, I've been I actually been talking about Paul in interviews and nothing I was. I was feeling a little bit lost, you know, I was just feeling I don't know, you know, getting that. You know, it's everything what's going on in my career, and I don't know why out of all the times, like because Paul and I talked a lot, you know, and then just out of nothing, I never told Paul any of that, and out of nothing, Paul got on the phone with me and he said, just out of nothing, he said, hey, Mike, don't panic, never panic. You know, you're great, Your life is great, your family's great, you're a good You're a great. Just be you and don't let anyone scare you. Don't change, just keep going forward, doing the way you're doing. And he said, you'll be there, You'll be that Tony Bennett guy. You'll be that, you know. And it's funny because Paul, you know, you didn't know at the time, but I told you the other day. It's just settled me.

You know.

I called my manager Bruce. Actually, just let me tell you, Bruce. I needed needed that, you know, because I was you know, you do you get sometimes it gets you know, you get rocked a little bit, and this business is changing so much, skip so much that you don't know where you stand, you know what I mean.

It's it's just it's just what you standing.

Guys like you are far and few between you are. You got up and you stood. I've seen it all, okay, and just know you're the one of the kind. You've got a career, you've got the foundation. You can't be that dog with his tongue hanging out. You're not going anywhere.

Man.

You just have to keep on keeping on because you got what nobody else has. You got your vibe, your Michael. And you know we've all been conditioned mentally in life to say, oh, you know, we've got to be happy and you've got to find that straight line. Well that's horseshit. Life is not a straight line. However, they've manipulated us through cultures. It's up and down and up and down. And you know, listen, we're so happy that you were with us today.

Mike.

You know I love you. You've got you know. I traveled all over the world and I'm always dropping your name on stage and when I tell you, they feel fucking crazy. They cheer like you're coming out on stage. You've got to stay focused on who you are and don't let that other shit bother you, because at the end of the day, with success, nobody cares about you. It's a hard lesson to learn. They don't care. Once you've got the shit together and you've got your mark and you're there like you are baby, and you're so young. It's yours, man, it's yours the fuck up. And you know what, We're blessed to have you here today.

Man. I just I like, yeah, yeah, how many decades you say you've been in this, how.

Many thanks my eighth I'm going on my xth.

Morning on TikTok. This morning on TikTok, no shit, I felt like every second goddamn video that I skip too was.

Put yours, put your head on, butt your head on my sh everybody here, their.

Uncles saying that, you know, I had no idea that was gonna happen, Michael, It came out of nowhere. I don't know what the fuck do you know?

It's funny. Let me see, let me see if this comes up. Let me see if I can if this comes up. Oh god, because I just thought I was just sitting there and it came up. Come on, come on, let don't turn. Don't let me down here, don't let me down.

Here, don't let me in there somewhere.

Oh god, I'm telling you right now.

Oh that's so funny.

And you hear what it says? How the hell them style go from this with this kid looking all dapper and the song's gorge just yeah, see you see that? That's yeah to this?

Tell me the fucking tell me the second put your head on my shoulders. Really, you know what my original lyric was, Michael, put your legs on my shoulders.

Hey, Paul, you want to do something crazy, so listen please, So this this TikTok alone yeah, that song with your song playing okay over and over again. Kachin Kachin, Kachin Yeah has been looked at eleven million times and has seven hundred and thirty thousand likes. Do you understand that is you can't reach there's no TV show you you couldn't reach that many people doing the super Bowl halftime show. That's it's fucking absolutely, it's unreal.

Oh that's good to know. I'm gonna turn it. I'm not going to sing a halftime turning him down. I'm giving him back the money. I'm out. He just talk me something. I'm not doing a halftime shot.

I was going to say eighteen million downloads and we just made twelve dollars that much.

Mike, you're the real Dale pal.

Welly Skipped you know that we're going to be hanging that way.

Oh, Skim, you're gonna be hanged. Believe me, You're gonna hang with Skip when you're down here. We're hanging for sure.

Looking forward to it.

I love you guys, Love you, buddy, Thanks, love you, Thanks so much. Thanks Michael. Our Away with Paul Anka and Skip Ronson is a production of iHeartRadio.

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