Here we are off the edge with your host Cam Jordan.

Here we are off the edge with your host Cam Jordan.

I'm excited because I gotta talk to one of my one of my young legends.

I'm excited because I gotta talk to one of my one of my young legends.

When I was young, he was a.

When I was young, he was a.

Legend as well as you know, had some time to play at the same time, as well as a man who used to call yours on the home found out it's no longer home for but it's fine. I still do a Vikings for sure, a legend, a man who played with kans City Chiefs.

Legend as well as you know, had some time to play at the same time, as well as a man who used to call yours on the home found out it's no longer home for but it's fine. I still do a Vikings for sure, a legend, a man who played with kans City Chiefs.

And finished with the Panthers.

And finished with the Panthers.

We'll talk about it. Don't forget the stint with Chicago as well.

We'll talk about it. Don't forget the stint with Chicago as well.

We're trying to forget that.

We're trying to forget that.

My guy, Jared Allen, big dog, how are you feeling?

My guy, Jared Allen, big dog, how are you feeling?

I mean, we could also add to all pros the Pro Bowls, you know, one hundred and thirty six sacks, five time Pro bowler, you know.

I mean, we could also add to all pros the Pro Bowls, you know, one hundred and thirty six sacks, five time Pro bowler, you know.

Yeah, I'm good, man, I'm good.

Yeah, I'm good, man, I'm good.

Just enjoying, enjoying the retired life now, I tell you what, you blinking it And I can't believe I've been done for almost nine ten years now and it's uh, it's a crazy thing.

Just enjoying, enjoying the retired life now, I tell you what, you blinking it And I can't believe I've been done for almost nine ten years now and it's uh, it's a crazy thing.

Mm you're still playing. I'll say it sounds good though.

Mm you're still playing. I'll say it sounds good though.

Oh, it's amazing. I love it. I love it.

Oh, it's amazing. I love it. I love it.

I saw you, I saw you on do some NFL thing the other day, and I was just you know, they said fourteen years, and I think it's because I have I know your dad so well right then, I just make sure you was younger and not really like like you know, I'm like fourteen years. There's definitely long in the tooth.

I saw you, I saw you on do some NFL thing the other day, and I was just you know, they said fourteen years, and I think it's because I have I know your dad so well right then, I just make sure you was younger and not really like like you know, I'm like fourteen years. There's definitely long in the tooth.

Now we're still doing it. I mean, come on your eighties baby. How many eighties baby? We had some, you know, we had some go through.

Now we're still doing it. I mean, come on your eighties baby. How many eighties baby? We had some, you know, we had some go through.

Absolutely, absolutely, it's good to see you out.

Absolutely, absolutely, it's good to see you out.

They're still getting after people, man, and so especially because in this modern day, like you know, what everything's like seems to be like a specific position. Everybody's got this like oh he's a pastors or he's a run They're always constantly moving.

They're still getting after people, man, and so especially because in this modern day, like you know, what everything's like seems to be like a specific position. Everybody's got this like oh he's a pastors or he's a run They're always constantly moving.

So to see a four down d N still crushing and.

So to see a four down d N still crushing and.

Lost, yeah, you know, bring the hands to work and bring them every day, you know, like I still enjoy choking a good office of lineman out and thank you.

Lost, yeah, you know, bring the hands to work and bring them every day, you know, like I still enjoy choking a good office of lineman out and thank you.

I was telling something the other day, this is that hands of the face rule where you can't go to hands the face office. You want to get my hands on my face, go for it, because I'm going right back to you, no doubt, right, So you know what, it's getting a little soft in there, and.

I was telling something the other day, this is that hands of the face rule where you can't go to hands the face office. You want to get my hands on my face, go for it, because I'm going right back to you, no doubt, right, So you know what, it's getting a little soft in there, and.

The triple a little now that the referees are stuck behind the office of line so all that they don't even see it hands on the face.

The triple a little now that the referees are stuck behind the office of line so all that they don't even see it hands on the face.

They just see net movement. I'm like, come on, don't do this. You know they're fat and mel athletic. Anyways, Off, it's a lineman like that's they don't have a neck to push back. Anyways, what are we talking about?

They just see net movement. I'm like, come on, don't do this. You know they're fat and mel athletic. Anyways, Off, it's a lineman like that's they don't have a neck to push back. Anyways, what are we talking about?

Yeah, I'm with you, but I guess I want to go roll it right into my first question because I don't even know if I know the answer to this. Why did you have the number sixty nine? Like as a kid, we laughed at it all the time, but you know, no, so dude, no joke.

Yeah, I'm with you, but I guess I want to go roll it right into my first question because I don't even know if I know the answer to this. Why did you have the number sixty nine? Like as a kid, we laughed at it all the time, but you know, no, so dude, no joke.

So I was number forty one.

So I was number forty one.

So I was number one in high school, right, and my best friend was forty five, I bet when my best friends passed away in high school. So I was gonna get forty five going to college for him, And for some reason they wanted to merge the two and they gave me forty one in college. So I kept it right, cool whatever, but back and then you know when I came to the league. You had to have certain there was you know, each position could only be a certain number set right, and I'll pick They gave me sixty nine, right, And there was another you know between a fat out of a lot of those fat out of the alignment that number six and nine two. I'm like, GEESEU, this doesn't farewell one of.

So I was number one in high school, right, and my best friend was forty five, I bet when my best friends passed away in high school. So I was gonna get forty five going to college for him, And for some reason they wanted to merge the two and they gave me forty one in college. So I kept it right, cool whatever, but back and then you know when I came to the league. You had to have certain there was you know, each position could only be a certain number set right, and I'll pick They gave me sixty nine, right, And there was another you know between a fat out of a lot of those fat out of the alignment that number six and nine two. I'm like, GEESEU, this doesn't farewell one of.

Us, can't. You know, one of us is making the team.

Us, can't. You know, one of us is making the team.

So anyways, I get through I get through camp obviously, you know, make the team, no problem.

So anyways, I get through I get through camp obviously, you know, make the team, no problem.

Uh.

Uh.

And they asked me if I wanted to change it in my d line coach Bob carmellowitz Uh. He was, I mean, it was just tougher.

And they asked me if I wanted to change it in my d line coach Bob carmellowitz Uh. He was, I mean, it was just tougher.

I spoke like this if my throat cancer like fourteen times, and and just it was just always just a hardcore, just no nonsense guy. He was like, you keep that number. You're an old school player, and you're gonna make it that that's an old school number. You keep that number, don't. I don't want to see you in the nineties or anything like that. So I was like, all right, cool man, So I just kept it.

I spoke like this if my throat cancer like fourteen times, and and just it was just always just a hardcore, just no nonsense guy. He was like, you keep that number. You're an old school player, and you're gonna make it that that's an old school number. You keep that number, don't. I don't want to see you in the nineties or anything like that. So I was like, all right, cool man, So I just kept it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of people think like, oh, I had all the other connotations. I'm like, yeah, dude to me, and then a guy I respected told me not.

A lot of people think like, oh, I had all the other connotations. I'm like, yeah, dude to me, and then a guy I respected told me not.

To not to change it, so I was like, cool, I'm in that makes a lot of sense too. I mean, I like the connotation's part. But you know, you're in high school. You see Jared Allen with the sack and like, yeah, sixty nine back then again.

To not to change it, so I was like, cool, I'm in that makes a lot of sense too. I mean, I like the connotation's part. But you know, you're in high school. You see Jared Allen with the sack and like, yeah, sixty nine back then again.

I'm like the only you know, being a California kid growing up and going to school in California. You know, I got to meet Snoop Dogg, like once or twice you got to meet a Super Bowl time. I was thinking, I was like, maybe Snup will wear my jersey one time because of the number, and he never did.

I'm like the only you know, being a California kid growing up and going to school in California. You know, I got to meet Snoop Dogg, like once or twice you got to meet a Super Bowl time. I was thinking, I was like, maybe Snup will wear my jersey one time because of the number, and he never did.

Aht to get you.

Aht to get you.

Come on, come on. Snoop is the only person that's been like deemed the unk for the last forty years. I have no idea how he is. He's uncle. Snoop just been around for that long.

Come on, come on. Snoop is the only person that's been like deemed the unk for the last forty years. I have no idea how he is. He's uncle. Snoop just been around for that long.

She doesn't age. I don't know what it is he doesn't age.

She doesn't age. I don't know what it is he doesn't age.

It's like it's like when he was twenty, he looked like he was forty, but now that he's like sixty, he still looks like he's forty.

It's like it's like when he was twenty, he looked like he was forty, but now that he's like sixty, he still looks like he's forty.

I haven't been able to.

I haven't been able to.

And on everything, on everything, and that's the one guy you don't get tired of seeing on everything.

And on everything, on everything, and that's the one guy you don't get tired of seeing on everything.

Loved him as the ambassador to the to the Olympics, the best him and Martha Stewart.

Loved him as the ambassador to the to the Olympics, the best him and Martha Stewart.

I was like, this is this is so, but we're not here to talk about it. Then we're going to talk about you.

I was like, this is this is so, but we're not here to talk about it. Then we're going to talk about you.

You and my dad have kicked it, bro Like you know, like the last story I heard you, like I said that was was back when you you own a piece.

You and my dad have kicked it, bro Like you know, like the last story I heard you, like I said that was was back when you you own a piece.

Of a club in like Scottsdale.

Of a club in like Scottsdale.

You know I used to half Yeah, no, I never owned all halfe one of an oral parts. So I owned the lodge for goodness, like twelve years. I used to own a place called Revolver out there, and I should remember that place.

You know I used to half Yeah, no, I never owned all halfe one of an oral parts. So I owned the lodge for goodness, like twelve years. I used to own a place called Revolver out there, and I should remember that place.

The Red Revolver, the double R.

The Red Revolver, the double R.

Yes, the Red Revolver.

Yes, the Red Revolver.

So that we stole that and then you know, I just I just got out of the lodge last year, gave that over to our GM and my little partner, and so yeah, you know I got obviously be with Minnesota.

So that we stole that and then you know, I just I just got out of the lodge last year, gave that over to our GM and my little partner, and so yeah, you know I got obviously be with Minnesota.

Your dad's a big name you know there.

Your dad's a big name you know there.

Uh well, I mean again when I was playing you know, and you know, uh, we had our golf tournament with my foundation were when I was in Arizona, and you want to get people to and we always wanted to get local.

Uh well, I mean again when I was playing you know, and you know, uh, we had our golf tournament with my foundation were when I was in Arizona, and you want to get people to and we always wanted to get local.

Guys and always you know, some of the older guys.

Guys and always you know, some of the older guys.

You always had a mixed bag of people because our golf tournament was not about anybody who was was too that thought they were too important.

You always had a mixed bag of people because our golf tournament was not about anybody who was was too that thought they were too important.

It was about just having fun and good times.

It was about just having fun and good times.

And so your dad's company at Ryans, the company actually sponsored a couple of vance holes came out and honestly, we just started staying in touch and then you know, we got a couple of beers at the you know, at the three party or something like that. Right, always enjoyed talking him. Did your dad become one of my favorite people? Just like his story, his journey, you know, playing in the eighties, you know what I mean was a totally different ballgame and coming out the other side of the strikes and stuff like that. And man going to Brown University like to me, like your Pops' story is inspiring across the board for Everybody's just a cool dude.

And so your dad's company at Ryans, the company actually sponsored a couple of vance holes came out and honestly, we just started staying in touch and then you know, we got a couple of beers at the you know, at the three party or something like that. Right, always enjoyed talking him. Did your dad become one of my favorite people? Just like his story, his journey, you know, playing in the eighties, you know what I mean was a totally different ballgame and coming out the other side of the strikes and stuff like that. And man going to Brown University like to me, like your Pops' story is inspiring across the board for Everybody's just a cool dude.

A Phoenix kid with two parents that were teachers, and next thing you know, he goes to Brown and yeah, somehow puts together a thirteen year, six time Pro Bowl career. No yeah, just a stud and then just a freaking stud.

A Phoenix kid with two parents that were teachers, and next thing you know, he goes to Brown and yeah, somehow puts together a thirteen year, six time Pro Bowl career. No yeah, just a stud and then just a freaking stud.

Like you know how many kids it takes to create his his life story, Like I'm the football player, my brother has to work in construction, you know, like it's gonna take both sons equal what Pops did.

Like you know how many kids it takes to create his his life story, Like I'm the football player, my brother has to work in construction, you know, like it's gonna take both sons equal what Pops did.

Yeah, that's the and then like not even like just what he's an engineer, right, and it's like you have an engineering degree from Brown and worked for Ryan Company is like this massive fortune five hundred company. I think I was always look at you know and tell people, you know, and your dad was, you know, so awesome to come up to my ring of honest ceremonial as well. So I was still down them.

Yeah, that's the and then like not even like just what he's an engineer, right, and it's like you have an engineering degree from Brown and worked for Ryan Company is like this massive fortune five hundred company. I think I was always look at you know and tell people, you know, and your dad was, you know, so awesome to come up to my ring of honest ceremonial as well. So I was still down them.

There for that.

There for that.

But yeah, like I view him as like the perfect I you know, like Jerry West was like the icon of the the NBA is what it is supposed to be, right, Like you have a great career and then you're successful after your career, like.

But yeah, like I view him as like the perfect I you know, like Jerry West was like the icon of the the NBA is what it is supposed to be, right, Like you have a great career and then you're successful after your career, like.

You know, it's awesome.

You know, it's awesome.

Yeah, sorry, you put yourself in the mold. You're freaking you freaking have a ranch. You were like a ranch hype. In fact, how do you go from you know, finishing up in Carolina to going and living in Arizona? To moving to Nashville, Like, oh yeah.

Yeah, sorry, you put yourself in the mold. You're freaking you freaking have a ranch. You were like a ranch hype. In fact, how do you go from you know, finishing up in Carolina to going and living in Arizona? To moving to Nashville, Like, oh yeah.

So Arizona was always two thousand and I think six. I move Arizona is my off season base right was training out there and my wife, my wife out there in two thousand and nine. We have married twenty ten, but she wore to Issue. She's from Shock area. But we lived out there for almost like fourteen years. Right when we did, right when I went after I left me the stoar and went into free agency, and then it was still there.

So Arizona was always two thousand and I think six. I move Arizona is my off season base right was training out there and my wife, my wife out there in two thousand and nine. We have married twenty ten, but she wore to Issue. She's from Shock area. But we lived out there for almost like fourteen years. Right when we did, right when I went after I left me the stoar and went into free agency, and then it was still there.

Went to Chicago. Chicago was was a dumpty. I was the only time I took the money. I took the money. Should have just retired. Blew my L five out right. It was like, oh my goodness.

Went to Chicago. Chicago was was a dumpty. I was the only time I took the money. I took the money. Should have just retired. Blew my L five out right. It was like, oh my goodness.

And then so I asked him to tram me to Carolina my last year, knowing I was going to retire. Gets Carolina first for Little No Joe.

And then so I asked him to tram me to Carolina my last year, knowing I was going to retire. Gets Carolina first for Little No Joe.

Saturday walked the.

Saturday walked the.

Were getting ready to go to play Tampa rookie quarterback, rookie tackle and my hands back in the dirt and my dad, I'm about to eat this dude live walked through. Bam, dude runs into my hip L five blown out again. I was like, ah, play played that game with a bust at l five. Couldn't feel like I couldn't lift my heel off the ground for like three weeks after that, got back, but then after so so after that, I I was retired for Carolina Super Bowl. So we went back there Scott's Stale with there out of your building it. We've just been building our house, lived there for about a year and and we just been got kind of tired of the desert. We wanted seasons again.

Were getting ready to go to play Tampa rookie quarterback, rookie tackle and my hands back in the dirt and my dad, I'm about to eat this dude live walked through. Bam, dude runs into my hip L five blown out again. I was like, ah, play played that game with a bust at l five. Couldn't feel like I couldn't lift my heel off the ground for like three weeks after that, got back, but then after so so after that, I I was retired for Carolina Super Bowl. So we went back there Scott's Stale with there out of your building it. We've just been building our house, lived there for about a year and and we just been got kind of tired of the desert. We wanted seasons again.

Like I said, wait, you just finished building the house and then you left the year later.

Like I said, wait, you just finished building the house and then you left the year later.

Year later, No joking, this is gonna sound so stupid, you understand the different. So we went from Arizona, never having scorpions. Was this beautiful house that was silver Relief and we lived. Yeah, we came up from Tall We came up from Tono one year one day and uh and dude, they're building behind us and left in all of a sudden. I mean we must have fod like thirteen scorpions of the house. And I was like, oh, hell no, I'm done. My kids were younger at the time. My oldest was like, uh, I guess probably five. My youngest was three.

Year later, No joking, this is gonna sound so stupid, you understand the different. So we went from Arizona, never having scorpions. Was this beautiful house that was silver Relief and we lived. Yeah, we came up from Tall We came up from Tono one year one day and uh and dude, they're building behind us and left in all of a sudden. I mean we must have fod like thirteen scorpions of the house. And I was like, oh, hell no, I'm done. My kids were younger at the time. My oldest was like, uh, I guess probably five. My youngest was three.

And you know, we we've been wanting seasons anyways or you know, some mild seasons. And we loved Carolina, We really did. Charlotte was so much fun. We had such a blast.

And you know, we we've been wanting seasons anyways or you know, some mild seasons. And we loved Carolina, We really did. Charlotte was so much fun. We had such a blast.

And I had friends out in Nashville, so we're like, that's screw it, let's let's go. And they were going to some the you know they're really good schools. Were looking for good Christian schools center kids too, And then we got here and it was like circa Phoenix two thousand and you know, six seven, eight, nine, ten.

And I had friends out in Nashville, so we're like, that's screw it, let's let's go. And they were going to some the you know they're really good schools. Were looking for good Christian schools center kids too, And then we got here and it was like circa Phoenix two thousand and you know, six seven, eight, nine, ten.

Just like everybody moved out here.

Just like everybody moved out here.

Every reason we left, like North Scottsdale, Like, if I see one more person drop their kid off and a freaking ferrari.

Every reason we left, like North Scottsdale, Like, if I see one more person drop their kid off and a freaking ferrari.

I'm about to punch somebody, like like we all got money to drive a truck.

I'm about to punch somebody, like like we all got money to drive a truck.

That's that's that. I don't know where these kids are going to find their struggle from. I don't, dude.

That's that's that. I don't know where these kids are going to find their struggle from. I don't, dude.

I struggle with that as probably too.

I struggle with that as probably too.

It's like, you know, even though I remind my kids constantly, just because your mom and I live good doesn't mean you have anything anything.

It's like, you know, even though I remind my kids constantly, just because your mom and I live good doesn't mean you have anything anything.

Yeah, and we work, right, we still whether it's in the garden, whether it's you know, on the farm, right, we show our.

Yeah, and we work, right, we still whether it's in the garden, whether it's you know, on the farm, right, we show our.

Kids, like listen, we don't have anti and if people's lifestyle are for that, no judgment.

Kids, like listen, we don't have anti and if people's lifestyle are for that, no judgment.

We just that's not our lifestyle. And it's hard, especially.

We just that's not our lifestyle. And it's hard, especially.

When you're you know, you know, probably I you know, I grew up very blue collar, grew up on a horsemancher and my dad tying rain and cutting horses, and then to have something, you know, to I still have that mindset. I still everything I do, I just work and do it myself. But you said, you try to send your kids at the best schools.

When you're you know, you know, probably I you know, I grew up very blue collar, grew up on a horsemancher and my dad tying rain and cutting horses, and then to have something, you know, to I still have that mindset. I still everything I do, I just work and do it myself. But you said, you try to send your kids at the best schools.

You try to send your kids and these things, but then they're surrounded by.

You try to send your kids and these things, but then they're surrounded by.

These you know, you can kids that have been been used to having the best first, and you're just like.

These you know, you can kids that have been been used to having the best first, and you're just like.

I've told Wifey, in a couple of years, we're going to a three bedroom, two bedroom apartment for a year. Like yep, you're gonna know what roymen Noodle and Tampico.

I've told Wifey, in a couple of years, we're going to a three bedroom, two bedroom apartment for a year. Like yep, you're gonna know what roymen Noodle and Tampico.

Is, you know, like just like, get us some bunk beds.

Is, you know, like just like, get us some bunk beds.

But let me, I got so off topic. That's that's on me.

But let me, I got so off topic. That's that's on me.

I did talk to Peanut Tilban and Big Heart, and they they said you were an amazing teammate, but they wanted to talk a little bit about your time in Carolina. You know, it's called twenty fifteen and just said see if you had any any four thoughts on one.

I did talk to Peanut Tilban and Big Heart, and they they said you were an amazing teammate, but they wanted to talk a little bit about your time in Carolina. You know, it's called twenty fifteen and just said see if you had any any four thoughts on one.

Thomas Davis and a prayer circle O prayer in the locker room.

Thomas Davis and a prayer circle O prayer in the locker room.

Thomas Davis was a listen as a Christian.

Thomas Davis was a listen as a Christian.

I'm all for prayer anywhere, but sometimes you can't be dropping like f bombs during the prayer.

I'm all for prayer anywhere, but sometimes you can't be dropping like f bombs during the prayer.

You know what I'm saying. Oh, no, you gotta get, you gotta get free, free, he gets, he gets.

You know what I'm saying. Oh, no, you gotta get, you gotta get free, free, he gets, he gets.

He just goes. So we have this rehearse you know, you know it was a rehearsed, but he.

He just goes. So we have this rehearse you know, you know it was a rehearsed, but he.

Basically takes some Thomas Davis would take some, uh some quotes from the Bible, like you know, if you know, if he's.

Basically takes some Thomas Davis would take some, uh some quotes from the Bible, like you know, if you know, if he's.

For us, who could be against us? Those times thing everybody be shouted out and kind of became this thing. I always always thought it was interesting, funny. So I thought Rome. Rome was one of my favorite people.

For us, who could be against us? Those times thing everybody be shouted out and kind of became this thing. I always always thought it was interesting, funny. So I thought Rome. Rome was one of my favorite people.

I love Pianis and Peanut I were in Chicago together too, right and uh Rome always used to remind me that, you know he has.

I love Pianis and Peanut I were in Chicago together too, right and uh Rome always used to remind me that, you know he has.

My Super Bowl ring.

My Super Bowl ring.

Uh when because good old New Orleans Saints and back in two thousand and nine, freaking you guys, and uh so we always joke that we're gonna win one together. Then you let the pass me the past, and then uh peanuts. Peanut says he's the best. He's a prankster and and love. So I'll tell you a funny story about Chicago though. So I got pneumonia and Chicago and uh busted.

Uh when because good old New Orleans Saints and back in two thousand and nine, freaking you guys, and uh so we always joke that we're gonna win one together. Then you let the pass me the past, and then uh peanuts. Peanut says he's the best. He's a prankster and and love. So I'll tell you a funny story about Chicago though. So I got pneumonia and Chicago and uh busted.

Chicago was rough. I busted my out five literally got the money.

Chicago was rough. I busted my out five literally got the money.

I lost like nineteen pounds in like a in like a seven day span. Right, So I missed the Green Bay game and I come back and playing Carolina. We're actually playing Carolina, so I get you know, you gotta wear a suit on the on the plane. So I come and my suit no longer is like this rune, it's like this, right, So I got my cowboy and on everything like that. So Peter starts calling me DBC Dallas fires Fluck so stuck, so stuck, and you call me DVC the rest of the year because I just looked deadly sick, oh dude, And uh so, yeah that was that was a good time. But yeah, Thomas Davis, the Praisers, Sure it was always great, uh man, I always, I just did. We had so much fun in Carolina that year. It suck not to win the Super Bowl. We talked about being humbled. That was one of those years, and as as a as an older guy and a pass rusher in the league, and and but you know, you you expect there to stay at a level that is. It's that you expect, right, you don't play it anybody don't the standard of your team. You played your standard. And you know, it was frustrated my last my last year dealing with those injuries and stuff like that. And then and you know, knowing I was going to retire because I wasn't willing to put the work in to be at the standard.

I lost like nineteen pounds in like a in like a seven day span. Right, So I missed the Green Bay game and I come back and playing Carolina. We're actually playing Carolina, so I get you know, you gotta wear a suit on the on the plane. So I come and my suit no longer is like this rune, it's like this, right, So I got my cowboy and on everything like that. So Peter starts calling me DBC Dallas fires Fluck so stuck, so stuck, and you call me DVC the rest of the year because I just looked deadly sick, oh dude, And uh so, yeah that was that was a good time. But yeah, Thomas Davis, the Praisers, Sure it was always great, uh man, I always, I just did. We had so much fun in Carolina that year. It suck not to win the Super Bowl. We talked about being humbled. That was one of those years, and as as a as an older guy and a pass rusher in the league, and and but you know, you you expect there to stay at a level that is. It's that you expect, right, you don't play it anybody don't the standard of your team. You played your standard. And you know, it was frustrated my last my last year dealing with those injuries and stuff like that. And then and you know, knowing I was going to retire because I wasn't willing to put the work in to be at the standard.

Iye game necessary, but it.

Iye game necessary, but it.

Was humbling because it was like statistically one of my worst years I've ever you know, I played, but from a team standpoint, is our best.

Was humbling because it was like statistically one of my worst years I've ever you know, I played, but from a team standpoint, is our best.

You know, I got to play in the super Bowl.

You know, I got to play in the super Bowl.

It was great.

It was great.

And that's why you know, Carolina will always hold you know, a special time at place in my heart because we had so much fun. Sean McDermott like, I love that guy.

And that's why you know, Carolina will always hold you know, a special time at place in my heart because we had so much fun. Sean McDermott like, I love that guy.

I never came out. I came in. I was like apologizing toil. I was like, man, coach, you know, I've been hitting the quarterback and.

I never came out. I came in. I was like apologizing toil. I was like, man, coach, you know, I've been hitting the quarterback and.

I got to get these sac numbers up to help us, and he threw on my run tape right and he's like, we don't.

I got to get these sac numbers up to help us, and he threw on my run tape right and he's like, we don't.

Have anybody at setting edgines like this right now. And so I was like it was humbling, right, because you get so sometimes.

Have anybody at setting edgines like this right now. And so I was like it was humbling, right, because you get so sometimes.

You get so caught up in what the flashy stuff is, you forget that, you know, football is a team sport, and sometimes you have a role to play and sometimes you know it ain't the role you want to play, right, But we're winning games and you know.

You get so caught up in what the flashy stuff is, you forget that, you know, football is a team sport, and sometimes you have a role to play and sometimes you know it ain't the role you want to play, right, But we're winning games and you know.

So you know, Carolina was great, Thomas Davids was great. Room was my guy. Peanut freaking joined the FBI like that dude, they're nuts.

So you know, Carolina was great, Thomas Davids was great. Room was my guy. Peanut freaking joined the FBI like that dude, they're nuts.

And he showed he showed you that edge run play. Did he make you start playing three technique?

And he showed he showed you that edge run play. Did he make you start playing three technique?

No?

No?

That was I was never gonna be that heavy, right, That's.

That was I was never gonna be that heavy, right, That's.

Good for you, bro. Look this year happened for me.

Good for you, bro. Look this year happened for me.

I'm like, I came in the lightest I've ever been, like two seventy something, two seventy, two seventy four, and.

I'm like, I came in the lightest I've ever been, like two seventy something, two seventy, two seventy four, and.

This year like, hey, third down, go go rush against the guard. And I was like, no, that's not what I do.

This year like, hey, third down, go go rush against the guard. And I was like, no, that's not what I do.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

In fact, Russia gets the Russian gets the center. We're gonna have these young guys on this edge, and I'm like, what did I do to deserve this?

In fact, Russia gets the Russian gets the center. We're gonna have these young guys on this edge, and I'm like, what did I do to deserve this?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Right, Like, all all I've done is ever whooped everybody on the edge. Now you're gonna ring me in a three technique the seventies like a d tackle these days.

Right, Like, all all I've done is ever whooped everybody on the edge. Now you're gonna ring me in a three technique the seventies like a d tackle these days.

Yeah, if you're if you're Aaron Donald.

Yeah, if you're if you're Aaron Donald.

Yeah, well that's that's a whole other beast right there. Now.

Yeah, well that's that's a whole other beast right there. Now.

They keep the Vitaves, the Vitavese, the dexter Lawrences, the dexter Lawrences.

They keep the Vitaves, the Vitavese, the dexter Lawrences, the dexter Lawrences.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love seeing Chris Jones.

I love seeing Chris Jones.

And the dude, dude, dude gets to the quarterback, he stops the one, right, I mean, of course, it's it's like it's remember I used to tell our d line coach all the time too.

And the dude, dude, dude gets to the quarterback, he stops the one, right, I mean, of course, it's it's like it's remember I used to tell our d line coach all the time too.

I used to hate when we would go our nickel.

I used to hate when we would go our nickel.

Package right and then we go green and have two three techniques because I'm like, now, all you're doing is out on the center of scan.

Package right and then we go green and have two three techniques because I'm like, now, all you're doing is out on the center of scan.

I was like, I used to love a big dukie. Pat Williams was right there on the nose.

I was like, I used to love a big dukie. Pat Williams was right there on the nose.

Williams wall.

Williams wall.

You know I played with big He's gonna get three yards deep. No one's not stopping Pat from getting three yards deep. Nobody now and now the guard has to respect him. And if the guard comes to me, he's gonna win. If not, I got a one on one. So yeah, I'm a big fan of keeping the big guys in there, even when you're pass rushing.

You know I played with big He's gonna get three yards deep. No one's not stopping Pat from getting three yards deep. Nobody now and now the guard has to respect him. And if the guard comes to me, he's gonna win. If not, I got a one on one. So yeah, I'm a big fan of keeping the big guys in there, even when you're pass rushing.

Keep the big guys. Look, you don't need four dancing bears. Sometimes you need a ward hog or two.

Keep the big guys. Look, you don't need four dancing bears. Sometimes you need a ward hog or two.

Yeah, push that big ass pocket and guess what. The ads can do anything they want.

Yeah, push that big ass pocket and guess what. The ads can do anything they want.

I used to tell the the de Tagle all the time.

I used to tell the the de Tagle all the time.

I said, if you get three yards deep every pass rush and stay in your let, I promise you I'll get your five sacks.

I said, if you get three yards deep every pass rush and stay in your let, I promise you I'll get your five sacks.

He's three five sacks. I'll chase him right to you.

He's three five sacks. I'll chase him right to you.

They gonna step up in yours.

They gonna step up in yours.

You start thinking yourself, then you're not and you get my way. We're gonna have a problem every.

You start thinking yourself, then you're not and you get my way. We're gonna have a problem every.

And every year.

And every year.

You're gonna get a detacle like oh, I like to do the swim or the rif with the chop like, well, actually you're six yards up the field, bro, I didn't ask you to be there.

You're gonna get a detacle like oh, I like to do the swim or the rif with the chop like, well, actually you're six yards up the field, bro, I didn't ask you to be there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I need I need interior rushers to be three to four yards up the field and be able to play both gaps.

I need I need interior rushers to be three to four yards up the field and be able to play both gaps.

And I need and I need you to go ahead and stop the screens. That's your job.

And I need and I need you to go ahead and stop the screens. That's your job.

So uh yeah, I think the game the game shifted either so many hybrids now there's so many this, but you go back and there's still some teams out there getting you know, I like, I like what Denver did this year, right, you know, and they got it. They got some big guys in the in the in the in the DJ Jones, I think he played DJ Jones.

So uh yeah, I think the game the game shifted either so many hybrids now there's so many this, but you go back and there's still some teams out there getting you know, I like, I like what Denver did this year, right, you know, and they got it. They got some big guys in the in the in the in the DJ Jones, I think he played DJ Jones.

Zach Zach Taylor, Yeah, yeah, Zach Zach Allen, Right, yeah, Allen, what does that?

Zach Zach Taylor, Yeah, yeah, Zach Zach Allen, Right, yeah, Allen, what does that?

Zach Zach Allen, Yeah DJ. I like DJ from the standpoint, like he can do it both.

Zach Zach Allen, Yeah DJ. I like DJ from the standpoint, like he can do it both.

But he's another one of those old school kind of nose tackles, right, you know, he actually played for three.

But he's another one of those old school kind of nose tackles, right, you know, he actually played for three.

He's that interior d lineman that that's what he does.

He's that interior d lineman that that's what he does.

You know.

You know.

Zach's kind of could flex a little bit I think in modern day.

Zach's kind of could flex a little bit I think in modern day.

But then yeah, but you got guys like Nick Benito who know they're roy they are going to come off the edge, and I think that's you saw me. You know, they got sixty three SASH this year. And when I watched their film, guy knew their role in their responsibilities in the past Rush game and that's in you know, a good a good solid interior allows your your your edge guys to.

But then yeah, but you got guys like Nick Benito who know they're roy they are going to come off the edge, and I think that's you saw me. You know, they got sixty three SASH this year. And when I watched their film, guy knew their role in their responsibilities in the past Rush game and that's in you know, a good a good solid interior allows your your your edge guys to.

Have two way go. You're freaking absolutely has a two way go. You're good. At some point you're killing a tackle.

Have two way go. You're freaking absolutely has a two way go. You're good. At some point you're killing a tackle.

Jonathan Cooper on the other side going crazy, like you look up and it's it's, you know, thirteen sacks one side, eleven sacks the other side.

Jonathan Cooper on the other side going crazy, like you look up and it's it's, you know, thirteen sacks one side, eleven sacks the other side.

Six sacks in the middle like the eight sacks. They're like you just you can piece together quite time.

Six sacks in the middle like the eight sacks. They're like you just you can piece together quite time.

And that's and that's the thing. And that's and that's where coaches kind of got it. You got to get the way. That's why I love Jamarking.

And that's and that's the thing. And that's and that's where coaches kind of got it. You got to get the way. That's why I love Jamarking.

So I was able to not just this year, the year before I did it, Uh just some consulting with Denver and and it was it was really cool. I got, you know, work with Jamar and Mike will Hoyt and those guys, and and you know, even you know, talking with coaches given the player perspective, is you know, really allowing because somebody coaches too, they want to get into this this.

So I was able to not just this year, the year before I did it, Uh just some consulting with Denver and and it was it was really cool. I got, you know, work with Jamar and Mike will Hoyt and those guys, and and you know, even you know, talking with coaches given the player perspective, is you know, really allowing because somebody coaches too, they want to get into this this.

Aspect of like, well we got to push the middle.

Aspect of like, well we got to push the middle.

We got a cajuble on the outside, especially in this I mean, you know better than me, We didn't have that many mobile quarterbacks when I when I was playing right. Uh, this whole era of crazy athletic quarterbacks, I think coaches kind of they they chase ghosts and they get scared and they don't they don't allow their guys to take their shot. So that's why it's so important to have guys on the same page and have middle push that you see color replace color. But you gotta allow your talented guys to have two way goes.

We got a cajuble on the outside, especially in this I mean, you know better than me, We didn't have that many mobile quarterbacks when I when I was playing right. Uh, this whole era of crazy athletic quarterbacks, I think coaches kind of they they chase ghosts and they get scared and they don't they don't allow their guys to take their shot. So that's why it's so important to have guys on the same page and have middle push that you see color replace color. But you gotta allow your talented guys to have two way goes.

You got allowed to throw.

You got allowed to throw.

Otherwise you get into these things where these quarterbacks are too good that they can scramble, they can pat the ball, they can just tear you apart.

Otherwise you get into these things where these quarterbacks are too good that they can scramble, they can pat the ball, they can just tear you apart.

It hurts you.

It hurts you.

It hurts you in the ground and in the air.

It hurts you in the ground and in the air.

Then you're just sitting there stuck. We gotta we got to cage them, but he's killing us in the air. But we gotta get after him, but he's killing us with his feet.

Then you're just sitting there stuck. We gotta we got to cage them, but he's killing us in the air. But we gotta get after him, but he's killing us with his feet.

Yeah, you get coach ever told me I would?

Yeah, you get coach ever told me I would?

Oh man, it was dang or a fight you If I heard the word cage rush come out of some coaches mouth on the sidelines, you always then why am I here?

Oh man, it was dang or a fight you If I heard the word cage rush come out of some coaches mouth on the sidelines, you always then why am I here?

You want a cage rush? Go get me gags.

You want a cage rush? Go get me gags.

Look, I was. I was okay with them, Like, yo, I'm a power rusher.

Look, I was. I was okay with them, Like, yo, I'm a power rusher.

Anyways, throw age, okay, cage rush because I'm on the left side and i'm and we're facing a right handed quarterback.

Anyways, throw age, okay, cage rush because I'm on the left side and i'm and we're facing a right handed quarterback.

I get it. But you gotta let the other court, the other defensive be and go eat then.

I get it. But you gotta let the other court, the other defensive be and go eat then.

Yeah, Like, if he's right right handed quarterback, that means that the guy on the other side got to be able to have the inside movie.

Yeah, Like, if he's right right handed quarterback, that means that the guy on the other side got to be able to have the inside movie.

Did you know that you also got to earn the right to miss right? You got to earn the right.

Did you know that you also got to earn the right to miss right? You got to earn the right.

I tell people all the time, the difference between greatness and failure this much. I actually got a chance, and the only reason I'm considered great is because I made the plays. If I missed him, I probably would have washed out.

I tell people all the time, the difference between greatness and failure this much. I actually got a chance, and the only reason I'm considered great is because I made the plays. If I missed him, I probably would have washed out.

But hey, that's tell guys all the time, like, hey, pressures, pressures are cool.

But hey, that's tell guys all the time, like, hey, pressures, pressures are cool.

Sacks will come, but if they don't, and all you are is a pressure guy.

Sacks will come, but if they don't, and all you are is a pressure guy.

Have you seen some of these stats they make?

Have you seen some of these stats they make?

They love they love the pressure, led the pressures every year. What does that do for you?

They love they love the pressure, led the pressures every year. What does that do for you?

The guy has three sacks, but he's led the league. He's the number one defensive player for pressures, QB hits and attempted sacks. I'm like, jeez, get out of here.

The guy has three sacks, but he's led the league. He's the number one defensive player for pressures, QB hits and attempted sacks. I'm like, jeez, get out of here.

I'm like, I'm like, and that's a stat that nobody will care about when he's done playing, right.

I'm like, I'm like, and that's a stat that nobody will care about when he's done playing, right.

Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

It's it's amazing how they find ways to, uh to create hype on some of these guys.

It's it's amazing how they find ways to, uh to create hype on some of these guys.

Now, I feel like Brad Pitt and he was when he was Achilles, like, and that's why nobody else will remember your name, precious.

Now, I feel like Brad Pitt and he was when he was Achilles, like, and that's why nobody else will remember your name, precious.

QB is like, did you get them down? Yes or no? Like we can talk about the theory of getting them down, but like, that's what that is.

QB is like, did you get them down? Yes or no? Like we can talk about the theory of getting them down, but like, that's what that is.

Theory one hundred percent. Yeah, you got to get that's step one. But eventually you got it, you gotta make it happen. And that's why I'm you know, and I look at guys, you know you rush, especially these top guys that rushing.

Theory one hundred percent. Yeah, you got to get that's step one. But eventually you got it, you gotta make it happen. And that's why I'm you know, and I look at guys, you know you rush, especially these top guys that rushing.

Crazy this year.

Crazy this year.

A lot of these top guys are on the left. That's my probably my only point I don't like about some of these top tier guys. Go to the right side, go with the best tackle and let's see what Let's see what happens.

A lot of these top guys are on the left. That's my probably my only point I don't like about some of these top tier guys. Go to the right side, go with the best tackle and let's see what Let's see what happens.

I don't know if I don't know if they're the best tackles anymore. Honestly, no, I agree with you. And honestly, now look at the right ends, like you sort of had it easy. Like are you like if you're on if you're.

I don't know if I don't know if they're the best tackles anymore. Honestly, no, I agree with you. And honestly, now look at the right ends, like you sort of had it easy. Like are you like if you're on if you're.

On the left, you're a left d or whatever. Whatever.

On the left, you're a left d or whatever. Whatever.

You go against their left tackle. You're right in and you're going against the better tackle. You're also in the quarterbacks blind spot. Yeah, he doesn't see you at all.

You go against their left tackle. You're right in and you're going against the better tackle. You're also in the quarterbacks blind spot. Yeah, he doesn't see you at all.

That's that's that's why I love us. That's how I got put over there. Right.

That's that's that's why I love us. That's how I got put over there. Right.

That's back in the day, they're like, the best tackle is going to be on the black spot. You want to be the best, you gotta go against the best. I you know, I see you know, guys kind of move around, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, you know again, you're right.

That's back in the day, they're like, the best tackle is going to be on the black spot. You want to be the best, you gotta go against the best. I you know, I see you know, guys kind of move around, you know, stuff like that. Yeah, you know again, you're right.

The tackle play though it is not the same. It's not the same you first came in either, uh and so I.

The tackle play though it is not the same. It's not the same you first came in either, uh and so I.

But it's it's funny to see the shift because when I was when I was in the league, I mean, everybody who was in.

But it's it's funny to see the shift because when I was when I was in the league, I mean, everybody who was in.

The top tier was the right end.

The top tier was the right end.

Right.

Right.

It's flopped. Now almost everybody in the top tier is a left end. Yeah, right, so I.

It's flopped. Now almost everybody in the top tier is a left end. Yeah, right, so I.

So I then I argue, I wonder, you know, you know, Trent Williams is probably still the only true solid like left tackle from from from from you know, back in the day a little bit. But yeah, maybe maybe that, maybe that maybe they're with these mobile quarterbacks and shift, they're putting the best players, you know, they put the best players.

So I then I argue, I wonder, you know, you know, Trent Williams is probably still the only true solid like left tackle from from from from you know, back in the day a little bit. But yeah, maybe maybe that, maybe that maybe they're with these mobile quarterbacks and shift, they're putting the best players, you know, they put the best players.

They're putting the best player on the.

They're putting the best player on the.

Right now because the right ends or left ends might be getting more one on ones because now they know the quarterbacks can see them and they're gone anyway, So what do they care about their blind side?

Right now because the right ends or left ends might be getting more one on ones because now they know the quarterbacks can see them and they're gone anyway, So what do they care about their blind side?

Yeah, I gotta don't have worry about the black side's about to be out of here.

Yeah, I gotta don't have worry about the black side's about to be out of here.

He can't get the ball off of the first second read. He's gone anyways.

He can't get the ball off of the first second read. He's gone anyways.

Because you look at you go back and look at Philly what Lane Johnson was kind of their all pro. He was the right he was the right tackle.

Because you look at you go back and look at Philly what Lane Johnson was kind of their all pro. He was the right he was the right tackle.

Right.

Right.

Yeah, interesting, that's interesting.

Yeah, interesting, that's interesting.

I gotta take a look at that because I think maybe the dynamics shift and that's why you're seeing the top guys over on the left.

I gotta take a look at that because I think maybe the dynamics shift and that's why you're seeing the top guys over on the left.

As quarterbacks to get more mobile.

As quarterbacks to get more mobile.

You don't need you like you gotta if you gotta just the guy on the on the uh, you know, protect the blind side. That's fine because he got his first three second read out. Yeah, you got guys that can make it work.

You don't need you like you gotta if you gotta just the guy on the on the uh, you know, protect the blind side. That's fine because he got his first three second read out. Yeah, you got guys that can make it work.

Hey, I guess then you want your best.

Hey, I guess then you want your best.

You want your best, and then you're gonna wat your best pass usure in his in his vision, right right, You're gonna want him looking at you.

You want your best, and then you're gonna wat your best pass usure in his in his vision, right right, You're gonna want him looking at you.

That makes sense. That that's football. The game is always changing.

That makes sense. That that's football. The game is always changing.

Look, it's always evolving.

Look, it's always evolving.

We'll be right back. You're nine years out now, about to be ten years out. That's crazy to think about. In the history of the NFL. I looked up, it's just you and one. You know one Arizona uh one, Arizona native Terrell's US. They have over one hundred and you know, one hundred and thirty something sacks. You know you ad one thirty six has got to be somewhere around there on thirty eight ish. You two are the only ones above one hundred and thirty without the h o F.

We'll be right back. You're nine years out now, about to be ten years out. That's crazy to think about. In the history of the NFL. I looked up, it's just you and one. You know one Arizona uh one, Arizona native Terrell's US. They have over one hundred and you know, one hundred and thirty something sacks. You know you ad one thirty six has got to be somewhere around there on thirty eight ish. You two are the only ones above one hundred and thirty without the h o F.

When does it call it? Your name?

When does it call it? Your name?

Oh Man?

Oh Man?

To be honest with you, I thought I should have been in. Yeah, I should have been in three years ago. You know I've been since I was eligible. I've been a finalist. This is my fifth time as a finalist. I know Troell sucks.

To be honest with you, I thought I should have been in. Yeah, I should have been in three years ago. You know I've been since I was eligible. I've been a finalist. This is my fifth time as a finalist. I know Troell sucks.

He's a finalist this year is his first year is eligibility. I don't know why.

He's a finalist this year is his first year is eligibility. I don't know why.

I don't know why they haven't putting in. Dude, be honestly, I tell them all the time. I'm like, it clearly isn't because of my numbers. So I probably pised somebody off along the way. You can't say that to me, So I be honest. I thought I was gonna go in my second year. I was pretty bumped. I didn't get to go in uh third year, especially like me and where the markets were, I have pretty much identical careers. And then so he went on his second ballot, freeing who I my numbers are. I got more numbers less.

I don't know why they haven't putting in. Dude, be honestly, I tell them all the time. I'm like, it clearly isn't because of my numbers. So I probably pised somebody off along the way. You can't say that to me, So I be honest. I thought I was gonna go in my second year. I was pretty bumped. I didn't get to go in uh third year, especially like me and where the markets were, I have pretty much identical careers. And then so he went on his second ballot, freeing who I my numbers are. I got more numbers less.

Time than him.

Time than him.

He went in a second ballot. Somehow I was sitting around in my fifth ballot. All the great players, I think. That's my My beef with the Hall is like they they make you start kind of like second guessing, and you're like, well, hold I played, I've been out ten years. There's nothing I can do about it, right, I'm right, one more season yourself. Like I'm a massive fan of Julius Pepers, I'm a massive fan of all these guys. There are great players, you know, But the reality is when I played. Nobody had more sex than me in the twelve years I played.

He went in a second ballot. Somehow I was sitting around in my fifth ballot. All the great players, I think. That's my My beef with the Hall is like they they make you start kind of like second guessing, and you're like, well, hold I played, I've been out ten years. There's nothing I can do about it, right, I'm right, one more season yourself. Like I'm a massive fan of Julius Pepers, I'm a massive fan of all these guys. There are great players, you know, But the reality is when I played. Nobody had more sex than me in the twelve years I played.

And so it's hard. It's hard.

And so it's hard. It's hard.

It's hard to understand why I'm not in yet. But hopefully this will be the year. If not, but at the end of the day, you know that's not the reason I played. I truly played this game for the respect of my peers and the respect of those who played before me. So you know, sitting here talking with you and and then you know you have the unique perspective of having it of a dad who's in the Ring of Honor of Minnesota and being able to talk to guys like your dad and then tell me, hey, Jared played the game right like that means more than me than any gold jacket, whether any.

It's hard to understand why I'm not in yet. But hopefully this will be the year. If not, but at the end of the day, you know that's not the reason I played. I truly played this game for the respect of my peers and the respect of those who played before me. So you know, sitting here talking with you and and then you know you have the unique perspective of having it of a dad who's in the Ring of Honor of Minnesota and being able to talk to guys like your dad and then tell me, hey, Jared played the game right like that means more than me than any gold jacket, whether any.

For the people believe or not.

For the people believe or not.

I mean, the Hall of Fame is one of the greatest honors you could ever have. I'd be I would wear that thing with honor. But at the end of the day, I'm not kissing the ring. I'm not playing the political game.

I mean, the Hall of Fame is one of the greatest honors you could ever have. I'd be I would wear that thing with honor. But at the end of the day, I'm not kissing the ring. I'm not playing the political game.

If my if my, if my the.

If my if my, if my the.

Product I put on the field, if it doesn't stand the test of time, or you don't think I'm good enough, then just.

Product I put on the field, if it doesn't stand the test of time, or you don't think I'm good enough, then just.

Say that, right, Let it be what it's gonna be. Don't put me in the files, that's fine. But if it is, put me in, let's stop playing this song and dance because I'm.

Say that, right, Let it be what it's gonna be. Don't put me in the files, that's fine. But if it is, put me in, let's stop playing this song and dance because I'm.

Not I'm not playing the right Stop playing me.

Not I'm not playing the right Stop playing me.

Yeah, right, you know what I mean?

Yeah, right, you know what I mean?

Like my number speak for themselves and again sugs, you know, but he had seventeen years something like that, right, you know, I was big on my average.

Like my number speak for themselves and again sugs, you know, but he had seventeen years something like that, right, you know, I was big on my average.

And you know, they don't really give you criteria. That's the thing that frustrate you. They don't tell you really why you don't make it right? You do criteria.

And you know, they don't really give you criteria. That's the thing that frustrate you. They don't tell you really why you don't make it right? You do criteria.

I've heard things from like, oh, if you would have played, you know, a couple more years and had four more sacks, you would have walked in first ballot. And for me, my my average, I was actually pissed. I dropped below twelve a year. So I but it's probably not the right thing, but it's a great motivation. Got their Cunningham gods. So when I came to the league, he was like, hey, Derek Thomas average twelve sacks a year. You aren't worth your salt unless you average twelve sacks a year as a rookie. So you know, now you got a rookie, he allly cares about to get into the quarterback. So but that's how I measured myself. And I just I you know, I cared so much about making sure I was in that you know, that rough of that twelve sac of year average. And then again just you know, with the injuries. You know, I played in the Super Bowl and bust and foot busted my l five twice.

I've heard things from like, oh, if you would have played, you know, a couple more years and had four more sacks, you would have walked in first ballot. And for me, my my average, I was actually pissed. I dropped below twelve a year. So I but it's probably not the right thing, but it's a great motivation. Got their Cunningham gods. So when I came to the league, he was like, hey, Derek Thomas average twelve sacks a year. You aren't worth your salt unless you average twelve sacks a year as a rookie. So you know, now you got a rookie, he allly cares about to get into the quarterback. So but that's how I measured myself. And I just I you know, I cared so much about making sure I was in that you know, that rough of that twelve sac of year average. And then again just you know, with the injuries. You know, I played in the Super Bowl and bust and foot busted my l five twice.

But you know, no one really knows about those things because I kept playing.

But you know, no one really knows about those things because I kept playing.

I played through them, and I believe that, if you know, seventy percent of me was better than the guy behind me. And that's kind of the other thing that it's hard for me to look at some of these guys that you know, I still got a torn pack. I played nine with a complete torn pack. You know, guys that missed full seasons. You know, with some of these injuries that that I've played through, I mean, teach their own, uh. I just you know, maybe maybe that's maybe that maybe that's maybe some smarter than me. I probably would have got fixed up. I could have had one hundred fifty Hall of Fame already.

I played through them, and I believe that, if you know, seventy percent of me was better than the guy behind me. And that's kind of the other thing that it's hard for me to look at some of these guys that you know, I still got a torn pack. I played nine with a complete torn pack. You know, guys that missed full seasons. You know, with some of these injuries that that I've played through, I mean, teach their own, uh. I just you know, maybe maybe that's maybe that maybe that's maybe some smarter than me. I probably would have got fixed up. I could have had one hundred fifty Hall of Fame already.

You just took a couple of weeks off. No, I don't, I don't know nothing. I don't know.

You just took a couple of weeks off. No, I don't, I don't know nothing. I don't know.

I hope we get it.

I hope we get it.

I love is one of my favorite guys. You know, like I said, he uh, another issue guy. I used to I used to love watching him play in college. I'll give you, I'll give you guys we want here.

I love is one of my favorite guys. You know, like I said, he uh, another issue guy. I used to I used to love watching him play in college. I'll give you, I'll give you guys we want here.

One of the funniest Trell Sugg stories there. It's not even him were we were. It was one of his friends. We were on up we were all planing on to Hawaii and about you.

One of the funniest Trell Sugg stories there. It's not even him were we were. It was one of his friends. We were on up we were all planing on to Hawaii and about you.

Know, Hawaiian airlines non stop from Phoenix to to Honolulu, and uh, we're sitting in first class and so they come around with the pog juice.

Know, Hawaiian airlines non stop from Phoenix to to Honolulu, and uh, we're sitting in first class and so they come around with the pog juice.

You know, you give you those pog juice when you get on the plane.

You know, you give you those pog juice when you get on the plane.

And one of his buddies was sitting behind me, and so he goes, excuse me, ma'm can I get a vodka vodka cranberry and sen bras of Abka cranberry. And he goes to pay and she said, she said, oh no, the drinks are complimentary up here. And his to the amount of excitement this dude got was like hey, he started yelling to his buddies up with the other foot across. You know, we were like the back left the first class literally front right, the first left.