All right, here we go, welcome on in on a great morning.

All right, here we go, welcome on in on a great morning.

And for me, it's a great morning because I get an interview. One of my guys I looked up to in this league had a sixteen year career.

And for me, it's a great morning because I get an interview. One of my guys I looked up to in this league had a sixteen year career.

And I was like, Lord, how do I get there?

And I was like, Lord, how do I get there?

And now I'm heading the year fifteen, So you know, I think, yeah, we're fighting either way. We talked about mister Andrew Whitworth, a Louisiana native himself. Well, I guess I'm not a native because he's moved out to California.

And now I'm heading the year fifteen, So you know, I think, yeah, we're fighting either way. We talked about mister Andrew Whitworth, a Louisiana native himself. Well, I guess I'm not a native because he's moved out to California.

Yeah. I don't know if they claim me anymore.

Yeah. I don't know if they claim me anymore.

But you know, Louisian's very own Super Bowl champ fifty six with the.

But you know, Louisian's very own Super Bowl champ fifty six with the.

Los Angeles Rams.

Los Angeles Rams.

Walk off home running was what I call it, you know, win a Super Bowl. Hey, I'm retired. You've had a hell of career as a four time pro bowler, you know, going to East West Shrine Shrine game. Oh college, gay, I love, I love when I get a little college things already, you know, inducted to the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame.

Walk off home running was what I call it, you know, win a Super Bowl. Hey, I'm retired. You've had a hell of career as a four time pro bowler, you know, going to East West Shrine Shrine game. Oh college, gay, I love, I love when I get a little college things already, you know, inducted to the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame.

Again, it was a very own native.

Again, it was a very own native.

But like you know, Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year twenty twenty one, same year you want a Super Bowl.

But like you know, Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year twenty twenty one, same year you want a Super Bowl.

Just a that's a good little week, you know, solid, solid as they come.

Just a that's a good little week, you know, solid, solid as they come.

I appreciate you to tapping in with it with the podcast Off the Edge of Me, your host and now my guy Andrew Whitworth. When I say I'm just excited for you to come in, I mean, everybody knows you're a great guy, you know, and and the battles that we've had when you were at the Rams were fun. I'm just thinking, I got I actually got to I actually got to play on your side, which, yeah, you know, you're a left tackle. I think one of the games at the Rams, I came over, I was given haven't seen work, and they're like, hey, we're just locking up somebody. I was like, all right, I'm going over there. They started running your way and I was like.

I appreciate you to tapping in with it with the podcast Off the Edge of Me, your host and now my guy Andrew Whitworth. When I say I'm just excited for you to come in, I mean, everybody knows you're a great guy, you know, and and the battles that we've had when you were at the Rams were fun. I'm just thinking, I got I actually got to I actually got to play on your side, which, yeah, you know, you're a left tackle. I think one of the games at the Rams, I came over, I was given haven't seen work, and they're like, hey, we're just locking up somebody. I was like, all right, I'm going over there. They started running your way and I was like.

I need that.

I need that.

Yeah, those are good days.

Yeah, those are good days.

Unfortunately, in the Coliseum we were the well I guess you know so far it's been that way a little bit too. But unfortunately the Coliseum we were always the away team, even though we were playing at home with the fans.

Unfortunately, in the Coliseum we were the well I guess you know so far it's been that way a little bit too. But unfortunately the Coliseum we were always the away team, even though we were playing at home with the fans.

That was rough.

That was rough.

Silent count at home is just a it's a good way to just really take an ego just cut it right now?

Silent count at home is just a it's a good way to just really take an ego just cut it right now?

How does yeah, how does that work? Because LA fans are there for the event?

How does yeah, how does that work? Because LA fans are there for the event?

Well, yeah, I mean it's La.

Well, yeah, I mean it's La.

Listen. I will say this. I always said this when I was playing. You want a lot of Rams fans there. I wish more showed up in some of those situations where we had a bigger fan base. But when you moved the team to Saint Louis and you move it all the way back, you've kind of done.

Listen. I will say this. I always said this when I was playing. You want a lot of Rams fans there. I wish more showed up in some of those situations where we had a bigger fan base. But when you moved the team to Saint Louis and you move it all the way back, you've kind of done.

That yourself a little bit.

That yourself a little bit.

And let's be honest, if I was sitting there saying, hey, there's about five other things I can think of I'd want to do on a Sunday in LA and go to sit in a football game.

And let's be honest, if I was sitting there saying, hey, there's about five other things I can think of I'd want to do on a Sunday in LA and go to sit in a football game.

So there's some pretty cool cool spots to going.

So there's some pretty cool cool spots to going.

There's not. I don't care what it is. If football is always king.

There's not. I don't care what it is. If football is always king.

Like, I don't know, clearly I'm biased. I'm like, no, there's nothing I'd rather do than go watch football.

Like, I don't know, clearly I'm biased. I'm like, no, there's nothing I'd rather do than go watch football.

No, no, I'll watch football.

No, no, I'll watch football.

I'll just watch it from Malibu at the beach while somebody's you know, serving me lunch or something that'd be great, you know, go to Nobuu Malibu, go to Soho Malibu on a TV watch it.

I'll just watch it from Malibu at the beach while somebody's you know, serving me lunch or something that'd be great, you know, go to Nobuu Malibu, go to Soho Malibu on a TV watch it.

I want the energy like when I see the energy, I want that so like you know, but you've seen, You've seen a good old, the new one, a super dome like this unmad energy, like you can't watch it. You can't catch set energy from the from the TV set. Sitting at the crib, being at a at a bar is.

I want the energy like when I see the energy, I want that so like you know, but you've seen, You've seen a good old, the new one, a super dome like this unmad energy, like you can't watch it. You can't catch set energy from the from the TV set. Sitting at the crib, being at a at a bar is.

Not hitting the same.

Not hitting the same.

No, it's not. It's still one of the most epic moments in my life.

No, it's not. It's still one of the most epic moments in my life.

Winning the National Championship at unless you in New Orleans an hour away from Baton Rouge was one of the coolest experiences ever. That felt like we were rock stars for the entire week because the whole freaking state of Louisiana was at the game.

Winning the National Championship at unless you in New Orleans an hour away from Baton Rouge was one of the coolest experiences ever. That felt like we were rock stars for the entire week because the whole freaking state of Louisiana was at the game.

I could believe that I was like two things, that two things Louisiana gonna do.

I could believe that I was like two things, that two things Louisiana gonna do.

Support their Saints and if bat Rouge on up, support them them them Tigers.

Support their Saints and if bat Rouge on up, support them them them Tigers.

Yes sir, and yeah national chimps could be I could imagine, Oh.

Yes sir, and yeah national chimps could be I could imagine, Oh.

My, it was good.

My, it was good.

Yeah, let's just say, you know, we didn't have nil then, but we weren't paying for much in New Orleans.

Yeah, let's just say, you know, we didn't have nil then, but we weren't paying for much in New Orleans.

Man assure you that for sure, look at it.

Man assure you that for sure, look at it.

I already knew, like I said, sec, yeah, you ain't gotta lie to me. I'd be like I've been telling people for years like n I L is just everybody catching up.

I already knew, like I said, sec, yeah, you ain't gotta lie to me. I'd be like I've been telling people for years like n I L is just everybody catching up.

To everybody else.

To everybody else.

Yeah, like come on stop it. But uh, you've been a pro bowler.

Yeah, like come on stop it. But uh, you've been a pro bowler.

How do you compare that to Walter paper Man NFL Man of the Year. I've been a nominee I think like three or four times now, but you winning.

How do you compare that to Walter paper Man NFL Man of the Year. I've been a nominee I think like three or four times now, but you winning.

That, you know in LA. Yeah, those those La Yeah, yeah.

That, you know in LA. Yeah, those those La Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that was a cool week.

Yeah, that was a cool week.

I mean you think of being in the Super Bowl and then also I've been a nominee a bunch of times, but to be here in LA in a super Bowl in our stadium, and then also be up for the award and then to find out you want it was pretty crazy. Now, I will say that the fun part of that day is, you know, you get told on Tuesday or Wednesday, Hey, you know he want you to come to honors blah blahlah blah. And you know that kind of means, well, man, it's I'm playing in the game and they really want me to come. This guy, I got to be in the final three or in the runnings or finalists.

I mean you think of being in the Super Bowl and then also I've been a nominee a bunch of times, but to be here in LA in a super Bowl in our stadium, and then also be up for the award and then to find out you want it was pretty crazy. Now, I will say that the fun part of that day is, you know, you get told on Tuesday or Wednesday, Hey, you know he want you to come to honors blah blahlah blah. And you know that kind of means, well, man, it's I'm playing in the game and they really want me to come. This guy, I got to be in the final three or in the runnings or finalists.

Something got to happen.

Something got to happen.

Then it's like all right, you know I Cooper cup is going to win Offensive Player of the Year, so they had to tell him because he wouldn't go because he's playing in the game. So like Cooper, he's got to go. So you two are going to travel together. So we we adjust our practice schedule that day. So then I'm like, we got to be winning. Like they're adjusting the practice schedule. We must to be about to win, you know, these awards. So we adjust our practice schedule. We get to the house to all ride together. Somebody forgot to book the car service. So the only good part was that the police patrol that was going to guide us to the stadium, because I mean, like I told you earlier today, we're about two hours from Sofa Stadium. So the police patrol is going to guide us shows up and they're like, can y'all drive your cars? Like yeah, we'll drive, Like all right, let's do this. We let up the kids, the families getting two cars. It was the coolest experience ever. These guys are moving cars all over the one on one in the four or five, and we were hauling.

Then it's like all right, you know I Cooper cup is going to win Offensive Player of the Year, so they had to tell him because he wouldn't go because he's playing in the game. So like Cooper, he's got to go. So you two are going to travel together. So we we adjust our practice schedule that day. So then I'm like, we got to be winning. Like they're adjusting the practice schedule. We must to be about to win, you know, these awards. So we adjust our practice schedule. We get to the house to all ride together. Somebody forgot to book the car service. So the only good part was that the police patrol that was going to guide us to the stadium, because I mean, like I told you earlier today, we're about two hours from Sofa Stadium. So the police patrol is going to guide us shows up and they're like, can y'all drive your cars? Like yeah, we'll drive, Like all right, let's do this. We let up the kids, the families getting two cars. It was the coolest experience ever. These guys are moving cars all over the one on one in the four or five, and we were hauling.

But two regular cars just going down.

But two regular cars just going down.

We pull up to the theater and just park right out front of it. And Cooper just jumps out. He literally was getting his award like three minutes. They ran him to the stage like we're in a sweat still basically in our suits. I luckily was last, so I got to go chill out in the green room for a minute, right, But it was a funny experience.

We pull up to the theater and just park right out front of it. And Cooper just jumps out. He literally was getting his award like three minutes. They ran him to the stage like we're in a sweat still basically in our suits. I luckily was last, so I got to go chill out in the green room for a minute, right, But it was a funny experience.

Just that whole night was pretty amazing.

Just that whole night was pretty amazing.

I hear you been pushing for you know, in an individual ward for office alignment.

I hear you been pushing for you know, in an individual ward for office alignment.

Yep.

Yep.

Why you know, it's really one of those things that came up. Some guys are kind of talking about.

Why you know, it's really one of those things that came up. Some guys are kind of talking about.

It, Dawkins over at Buffalo.

It, Dawkins over at Buffalo.

Yeah, and so I think that, you know, really, you know, Dawkins brought it up, some guys that brought it up over the years. But really it's one of those things that at honors, if you think about potential to win an award, right, so let's just put in forget, what do you think of who should have an award or not have an award? The potential to win an award, So for an offensive lineman, offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year, any position can really win those that are stat driven. So you look at it, Cooper Cup won it. You know, his stats, you know you've seen Lamar Jackson, you know, Josh Allens and these guys being those conversations, Christian McCaffrey, Sakuon Barkley, all stat driven award type stuff for offensive players, scoring touchdowns, yards, all that. Then defensively you have you know, defensive linement obviously with sacks, corners, with interceptions, tackles, all those type things. Often the lineman you have no stats.

Yeah, and so I think that, you know, really, you know, Dawkins brought it up, some guys that brought it up over the years. But really it's one of those things that at honors, if you think about potential to win an award, right, so let's just put in forget, what do you think of who should have an award or not have an award? The potential to win an award, So for an offensive lineman, offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year, any position can really win those that are stat driven. So you look at it, Cooper Cup won it. You know, his stats, you know you've seen Lamar Jackson, you know, Josh Allens and these guys being those conversations, Christian McCaffrey, Sakuon Barkley, all stat driven award type stuff for offensive players, scoring touchdowns, yards, all that. Then defensively you have you know, defensive linement obviously with sacks, corners, with interceptions, tackles, all those type things. Often the lineman you have no stats.

The only stat to keep of us is whether you held.

The only stat to keep of us is whether you held.

Somebody or you jumped off side. Absolutely, that's the only positive stats. You know, there's no positive stats. There's only your best game is when nobody knows who you are, nobody knew you played exactly. So somebody made the point that Trent Williams a couple of years ago was so dominant, had an insane year, like he should be off for the Play of the Year, but he doesn't have any stats. It's like, all right, well, in that situation, shouldn't we come up with an award? Because right now, if you looked at the league and you said, all right, let's look across all the teams that are really successful, even just look at the NFC and AFC championships last year, you know, and even the final eight man some of the best offensive lines in the entire NFL. So obviously, regardless of what we think of all the other talent, it's a huge factor to why teams have success. Can we have some kind of an award that really establishes Hey, these guys are worthy of being recognized for their individual contributions as well, because they are the only group that's really excluded from having that opportunity to win an award for their individual.

Somebody or you jumped off side. Absolutely, that's the only positive stats. You know, there's no positive stats. There's only your best game is when nobody knows who you are, nobody knew you played exactly. So somebody made the point that Trent Williams a couple of years ago was so dominant, had an insane year, like he should be off for the Play of the Year, but he doesn't have any stats. It's like, all right, well, in that situation, shouldn't we come up with an award? Because right now, if you looked at the league and you said, all right, let's look across all the teams that are really successful, even just look at the NFC and AFC championships last year, you know, and even the final eight man some of the best offensive lines in the entire NFL. So obviously, regardless of what we think of all the other talent, it's a huge factor to why teams have success. Can we have some kind of an award that really establishes Hey, these guys are worthy of being recognized for their individual contributions as well, because they are the only group that's really excluded from having that opportunity to win an award for their individual.

Excellence in a season. And so that's really the basis of why we want to do it.

Excellence in a season. And so that's really the basis of why we want to do it.

Yeah, when you say, you know, individual war for off the lineman, I just I'm always on the counter of that.

Yeah, when you say, you know, individual war for off the lineman, I just I'm always on the counter of that.

I'm like, but it's a group effort for them.

I'm like, but it's a group effort for them.

You know, like you could beat a tackle, but a be right there, you know, pulling a pulling guard goes and makes a huge play. Trent William Cumbs pulls makes a huge play, but it's because you know, the guard is probably sealed off the edge. Now everybody sort of slid over and protected them. Like, there's not an individual, in my mind, an individual Acolae Blake, Oh, he's just he's the reason why they won the football game.

You know, like you could beat a tackle, but a be right there, you know, pulling a pulling guard goes and makes a huge play. Trent William Cumbs pulls makes a huge play, but it's because you know, the guard is probably sealed off the edge. Now everybody sort of slid over and protected them. Like, there's not an individual, in my mind, an individual Acolae Blake, Oh, he's just he's the reason why they won the football game.

Yeah, Well, it's not really within a football game, it's excellence. Right, So like defensive lineman for example, we can combat here a little bit. There's a lot of defensive ends to Trey Hendrickson being one who led the league in sacks and his defense was god awful. So should Trey Hendrickson get an individual award for that? No, he shouldn't because he didn't actually help his team win. So the point is that when you play a position and you excel at it, you should be acknowledged for it. And so I think when you really talk about a lead offensive lineman, yeah, I think some people are worried that could turn into a left tackle award because the reality is, you do have some guys a Laramie Tonesela, Trent Williams. You know, I look at the right side, though you have Lane Johnson, you have some guys who individually have a massive impact on how good they are at their job. And if it's going to be hard to say all right guards and centers to your point, will they ever have the opportunity win the award?

Yeah, Well, it's not really within a football game, it's excellence. Right, So like defensive lineman for example, we can combat here a little bit. There's a lot of defensive ends to Trey Hendrickson being one who led the league in sacks and his defense was god awful. So should Trey Hendrickson get an individual award for that? No, he shouldn't because he didn't actually help his team win. So the point is that when you play a position and you excel at it, you should be acknowledged for it. And so I think when you really talk about a lead offensive lineman, yeah, I think some people are worried that could turn into a left tackle award because the reality is, you do have some guys a Laramie Tonesela, Trent Williams. You know, I look at the right side, though you have Lane Johnson, you have some guys who individually have a massive impact on how good they are at their job. And if it's going to be hard to say all right guards and centers to your point, will they ever have the opportunity win the award?

Really? Are you really just make an attackle award? Right?

Really? Are you really just make an attackle award? Right?

But you know, I think the argument to that is maybe Jason Kelsey a couple of years ago, you would say that he's probably in that conversation to win that and would be a guy who would definitely have wanted at some point in his career because he's really effective player and really good. Yeah, Gwen Nelson is a guard. I mean, there's some guys out there that have that potential. So I think it's really about establishing not necessarily whether you I think whether your team has success as a part of it. But let's just say that, you know, if we want to say truest measure of performance consistency over time, who are these guys who year in and year out from a sack production, from a pressure production, from their contributions in the run game, from whether they're really what they are and their team builds it around. They are that elite guy, and they are the guy that this offense stresses, because every offense is set up that way a little bit. There's a guy in that offensive line group that they go, hey, look these other four, like we gonna kind of need to use two and two to help each other. But there's this one guy like, you're gonna be on you going by, You're gonna be all by yourself, right, So so you're gonna have to be that guy. Like Sean McVay always talked about that in seventeen and eighteen when I first got there. He was like, hey man, listen, you just on your own, bro, Like you.

But you know, I think the argument to that is maybe Jason Kelsey a couple of years ago, you would say that he's probably in that conversation to win that and would be a guy who would definitely have wanted at some point in his career because he's really effective player and really good. Yeah, Gwen Nelson is a guard. I mean, there's some guys out there that have that potential. So I think it's really about establishing not necessarily whether you I think whether your team has success as a part of it. But let's just say that, you know, if we want to say truest measure of performance consistency over time, who are these guys who year in and year out from a sack production, from a pressure production, from their contributions in the run game, from whether they're really what they are and their team builds it around. They are that elite guy, and they are the guy that this offense stresses, because every offense is set up that way a little bit. There's a guy in that offensive line group that they go, hey, look these other four, like we gonna kind of need to use two and two to help each other. But there's this one guy like, you're gonna be on you going by, You're gonna be all by yourself, right, So so you're gonna have to be that guy. Like Sean McVay always talked about that in seventeen and eighteen when I first got there. He was like, hey man, listen, you just on your own, bro, Like you.

Here for a reason. We paid you to be here.

Here for a reason. We paid you to be here.

Like you on your own, like the rest of the offense, Like, we're going to do other things, but you're gonna be on your own a lot, and that's just what we're going to do. So there's times when there is guys that are stressed that way that do need to be acknowledged, And I think that's really what it's for. It's just to acknowledge some of those individual efforts that offensive line have and we will still have.

Like you on your own, like the rest of the offense, Like, we're going to do other things, but you're gonna be on your own a lot, and that's just what we're going to do. So there's times when there is guys that are stressed that way that do need to be acknowledged, And I think that's really what it's for. It's just to acknowledge some of those individual efforts that offensive line have and we will still have.

If you remember a.

If you remember a.

Couple of years ago, there used to be like a little bit of an offensive line of award acknowledgement, which they kind of stopped doing. And I think there will be some version of that back and that will kind of lead into who the individual is.

Couple of years ago, there used to be like a little bit of an offensive line of award acknowledgement, which they kind of stopped doing. And I think there will be some version of that back and that will kind of lead into who the individual is.

Do you take it to like the college level and give it like the random.

Do you take it to like the college level and give it like the random.

Super old oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you got all the award? Yeah, I know. I think that.

Super old oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you got all the award? Yeah, I know. I think that.

I think the idea is to keep it to something as the Protector of the Year or the shield, something that kind of just you know, is a symbolic of the position.

I think the idea is to keep it to something as the Protector of the Year or the shield, something that kind of just you know, is a symbolic of the position.

No names.

No names.

I don't really care ifnybody listen. I don't even care if anybody knows that anything to do with it. I just think it's something to be awesome to, you know, bring some attention to some of the guys who've played this game for a really long time, made awesome contributions and should get a chance to be recognized for it.

I don't really care ifnybody listen. I don't even care if anybody knows that anything to do with it. I just think it's something to be awesome to, you know, bring some attention to some of the guys who've played this game for a really long time, made awesome contributions and should get a chance to be recognized for it.

No doubt, that's what I'm all about. I want people to be.

No doubt, that's what I'm all about. I want people to be.

Recognized off of the lineman.

Recognized off of the lineman.

That's right.

That's right.

How do we at this point, I'm going off for real, how do we feel about a team drafting off of the lineman in.

How do we at this point, I'm going off for real, how do we feel about a team drafting off of the lineman in.

The first round.

The first round.

Well, let's see here. It depends on the situation. I would say that, you know, it's it's extremely tough, probably in this day and age, to draft tackles and have them be all right. First round tackle you're going to be an excellent player as a young rookie. Because I think that's now with how much the passing game is, how much teams are in shotgun all that it is a whole new skill to learn because it's just so different than the college game in the sense of how good defensive ends are. I mean, I know when I played LSU, I didn't play anybody like I played in the NFL on Sundays. So even playing in the SEC, none of those guys were similar to the challenges that I face as a rookie in the NFL. So I just think it's a big challenge when you're drafting a tackle and expecting them to come in and be a part of a winning team, like, hey, we're going to play at a certain level and those kind of thing. Yeah, there's two rare guys, but but you know, if you went off of year and in year out, the percentage of those guys very few. It's very few guard center I could see if you think it's a really talented kid who can get in there. I'm not saying he's gonna play at veteran level yet, but there's some guard center guys that, you know, talent wise, maybe they could get in there and do that. But I'm okay with the team doing that in the first round if they really feel like this guy changes and it's got to be different. And I say the same thing Cam, and I'm sure you'd agree that. I even think it end right like the same thing, like if they're not really like all right, tell me this specific situation where this guy is a difference maker, then that's when you really could say, all right, or what are you we drafting him for? I think that's really the thing that matters to most of these teams is if it's free agency and I'm signing a defensive end or or a tackle, or it's the draft and I'm going after one of those guys. Is it for a long term situation, k In two years we're going to just got to be something, or is it an immediate need. If it's immediate need, young offensive lineman in the first round is usually a challenge.

Well, let's see here. It depends on the situation. I would say that, you know, it's it's extremely tough, probably in this day and age, to draft tackles and have them be all right. First round tackle you're going to be an excellent player as a young rookie. Because I think that's now with how much the passing game is, how much teams are in shotgun all that it is a whole new skill to learn because it's just so different than the college game in the sense of how good defensive ends are. I mean, I know when I played LSU, I didn't play anybody like I played in the NFL on Sundays. So even playing in the SEC, none of those guys were similar to the challenges that I face as a rookie in the NFL. So I just think it's a big challenge when you're drafting a tackle and expecting them to come in and be a part of a winning team, like, hey, we're going to play at a certain level and those kind of thing. Yeah, there's two rare guys, but but you know, if you went off of year and in year out, the percentage of those guys very few. It's very few guard center I could see if you think it's a really talented kid who can get in there. I'm not saying he's gonna play at veteran level yet, but there's some guard center guys that, you know, talent wise, maybe they could get in there and do that. But I'm okay with the team doing that in the first round if they really feel like this guy changes and it's got to be different. And I say the same thing Cam, and I'm sure you'd agree that. I even think it end right like the same thing, like if they're not really like all right, tell me this specific situation where this guy is a difference maker, then that's when you really could say, all right, or what are you we drafting him for? I think that's really the thing that matters to most of these teams is if it's free agency and I'm signing a defensive end or or a tackle, or it's the draft and I'm going after one of those guys. Is it for a long term situation, k In two years we're going to just got to be something, or is it an immediate need. If it's immediate need, young offensive lineman in the first round is usually a challenge.

Now.

Now.

I ate Joe Walt last year. I thought played really really freaking good for a rookie. But still it's gonna be a challenge when you're drafting for an immediate need at offensive line, which I think is the case anywhere in the draft right If you're drafting for immediate need off in the lineman, it takes time.

I ate Joe Walt last year. I thought played really really freaking good for a rookie. But still it's gonna be a challenge when you're drafting for an immediate need at offensive line, which I think is the case anywhere in the draft right If you're drafting for immediate need off in the lineman, it takes time.

Yeah, I'm about as is the fan of me.

Yeah, I'm about as is the fan of me.

I'm like, give me a splash player and the defensi ligne in me, I'm like, how many actually work out?

I'm like, give me a splash player and the defensi ligne in me, I'm like, how many actually work out?

And once I knew those those stats, I was like, now we're just wasting picks here. I'm like, what do we you know?

And once I knew those those stats, I was like, now we're just wasting picks here. I'm like, what do we you know?

It's the wild part I think people don't realize is they want one and then and then it's like, all right, give me an explosive player. But I think the biggest thing you see in really D line and O line. I think this is a huge thing because obviously I think both of us would agree, we know that's where the games really started with those two groups. Is when you miss on those, you miss on O line and D line in the draft, you pick in the first two three rounds and you get you go with that position and you miss it hurts because you can miss on a speed receiver, you can miss on a skilled back and like, they're still going to have some contribution, They're still gonna have some opportunity to help the certain skills they have, right absolutely, But when you miss on linemen man that can't get out there and play or they playing, they're bad.

It's the wild part I think people don't realize is they want one and then and then it's like, all right, give me an explosive player. But I think the biggest thing you see in really D line and O line. I think this is a huge thing because obviously I think both of us would agree, we know that's where the games really started with those two groups. Is when you miss on those, you miss on O line and D line in the draft, you pick in the first two three rounds and you get you go with that position and you miss it hurts because you can miss on a speed receiver, you can miss on a skilled back and like, they're still going to have some contribution, They're still gonna have some opportunity to help the certain skills they have, right absolutely, But when you miss on linemen man that can't get out there and play or they playing, they're bad.

Right, You're two.

Right, You're two.

Years in just buried them into the depth chart, trying to ship them off. And I'm like come on, that's your first round and that's your second round. It's it's impressive, Like why would you draft him?

Years in just buried them into the depth chart, trying to ship them off. And I'm like come on, that's your first round and that's your second round. It's it's impressive, Like why would you draft him?

Then you better get that right. And I want a guy drafting the draft room that knows O line, D line that's for sure.

Then you better get that right. And I want a guy drafting the draft room that knows O line, D line that's for sure.

Who you know, and the right coach to develop them.

Who you know, and the right coach to develop them.

Ye.

Ye.

It is super important, especially with young young guys in the trenches like wide receiver.

It is super important, especially with young young guys in the trenches like wide receiver.

I think like, if he's fast, he's fast.

I think like, if he's fast, he's fast.

You know, if if he's a row technician college, you know, what you're getting def is a line like you can teach technique office a line you for sure can teach technique.

You know, if if he's a row technician college, you know, what you're getting def is a line like you can teach technique office a line you for sure can teach technique.

Set them up with a vet that knows how to change the sets. Yeah.

Set them up with a vet that knows how to change the sets. Yeah.

Absolutely. What is your stance on the Packers the toush push? Why is everybody so against it?

Absolutely. What is your stance on the Packers the toush push? Why is everybody so against it?

Yeah? I don't really.

Yeah? I don't really.

It's one of those that I just don't even think about. I mean, honestly, don't even think of the play.

It's one of those that I just don't even think about. I mean, honestly, don't even think of the play.

I don't.

I don't.

It's one of those I don't understand the idea to ban it. I get that, like some people are like, hey, it doesn't look like a normal football player that we're used to, you know, some of those type things. And then when you get into like competitive advantages and that kind of stuff.

It's one of those I don't understand the idea to ban it. I get that, like some people are like, hey, it doesn't look like a normal football player that we're used to, you know, some of those type things. And then when you get into like competitive advantages and that kind of stuff.

It's like, all right, well, you know.

It's like, all right, well, you know.

You took away that right on field goal, even though that doesn't count as a regular play, Like we're defensive, you know, Lineman. I remember when I got in the league. You know, it's Ray Lewis pushing holoading a guy on a field goal or extra point and you're just, you know, put yours cleats in the ground and get prepared for the back of your helmet to hit the turf. But it's like, hey, it wasn't fun, but you just held on for dear life and got the kickoff. But you know they took that rule out, you know, and so, but that doesn't pertain to you know, down in and down out in the NFL.

You took away that right on field goal, even though that doesn't count as a regular play, Like we're defensive, you know, Lineman. I remember when I got in the league. You know, it's Ray Lewis pushing holoading a guy on a field goal or extra point and you're just, you know, put yours cleats in the ground and get prepared for the back of your helmet to hit the turf. But it's like, hey, it wasn't fun, but you just held on for dear life and got the kickoff. But you know they took that rule out, you know, and so, but that doesn't pertain to you know, down in and down out in the NFL.

It's a special team's play.

It's a special team's play.

But to me, it's like, why would you take that one out from a health and safety standpoint and not take the toush push. That kind of seems like it's the same idea. But I think that their truth is they're really good at the play and nobody else he is, and so teams wanted out. But I don't think there's a real reason.

But to me, it's like, why would you take that one out from a health and safety standpoint and not take the toush push. That kind of seems like it's the same idea. But I think that their truth is they're really good at the play and nobody else he is, and so teams wanted out. But I don't think there's a real reason.

They being the Philadelphia Eagles.

They being the Philadelphia Eagles.

The Philadelphia Eagles are really good at it.

The Philadelphia Eagles are really good at it.

Really, that's it. But it only works with Jalen Hurts. I'm trying to tell people, like, look, I've seen it.

Really, that's it. But it only works with Jalen Hurts. I'm trying to tell people, like, look, I've seen it.

I've seen you know, the Philadelphia Eagles do it with a quarterback not named Jalen Hurts and it did not work out.

I've seen you know, the Philadelphia Eagles do it with a quarterback not named Jalen Hurts and it did not work out.

Yeah, So I mean that's what I mean. I don't know. I think it's silly to get rid of it. I really do.

Yeah, So I mean that's what I mean. I don't know. I think it's silly to get rid of it. I really do.

I think we're wasting our time just with something that is a play that team's really good at. And if another team could get those specific guys all lined up and run the play, well, they'd want to do good.

I think we're wasting our time just with something that is a play that team's really good at. And if another team could get those specific guys all lined up and run the play, well, they'd want to do good.

Absolutely if you don't like it, get them out of that third and one situation four to one. But you know, that's that I hear you talk about. You know, you've got a group of guys that do with like six am workouts. Yeah it Sean McVay, you know, what what does that do with your relationship off the field.

Absolutely if you don't like it, get them out of that third and one situation four to one. But you know, that's that I hear you talk about. You know, you've got a group of guys that do with like six am workouts. Yeah it Sean McVay, you know, what what does that do with your relationship off the field.

Yeah, it's been it's been. Uh, it's been cool.

Yeah, it's been it's been. Uh, it's been cool.

You know, Sean and I this offseason kind of started training together in the mornings throughout the week, early in the morning, sometimes five, five thirty six, kind of depends on when his morning meetings start. But uh, yeah, I have a gym out here in LA that Cooper Cup myself got named Ryan Sorenson is our trainer, and and some other families kind of just went in together and started our own little private spot where we wanted to train at. We were during COVID, kind of started from COVID. We had all basically Ryan had trained all of us. He used to be one of the top guys at Proactive and he left and kind of did his own deal. He was training people in their garages. So we had all, like because of COVID, built like these garage gyms. Everybody had him, you know, all the players and you know, at one time we were kicked out of our facilities for a while, and so we all kind of built our own spots. And then Christian Yelich, baseball player for the Brewers, also trained with Ryan, so he had his own spot. We were sitting there were like, man like, I'm ready to get out of my garage working out, and it was like it's been long enough. You know, Christians got all this equipment, Coopskyll's equipment I got was like, do why don't we just get a place together and put all this in here. It's gonna be the best weight room in the area because we got everything, Like we've all we've all had plenty of money to buy lots of equipment, So we put it all together and got our own, got ourselves a spot, and Ryan trains all his clients there. It's called the Village atg and you know, it's it's awesome, you know. I named it that because it's kind of those village of people that have been a part of my whole career and it's fun. It's cool that that we opened a year ago and it's already become like Sean trains there, which obviously is a mass part of my career, like Cooper and Pookah and Tyler Higbee and and uh you know, Xavier and Rob Hanstein and a lot that got the old line now come in there and train with Ryan and uh, you know, and then still a circle of families that we did it with. So it really is like our village of people that we've kind of gotten to know and live with in La that are all still in there.

You know, Sean and I this offseason kind of started training together in the mornings throughout the week, early in the morning, sometimes five, five thirty six, kind of depends on when his morning meetings start. But uh, yeah, I have a gym out here in LA that Cooper Cup myself got named Ryan Sorenson is our trainer, and and some other families kind of just went in together and started our own little private spot where we wanted to train at. We were during COVID, kind of started from COVID. We had all basically Ryan had trained all of us. He used to be one of the top guys at Proactive and he left and kind of did his own deal. He was training people in their garages. So we had all, like because of COVID, built like these garage gyms. Everybody had him, you know, all the players and you know, at one time we were kicked out of our facilities for a while, and so we all kind of built our own spots. And then Christian Yelich, baseball player for the Brewers, also trained with Ryan, so he had his own spot. We were sitting there were like, man like, I'm ready to get out of my garage working out, and it was like it's been long enough. You know, Christians got all this equipment, Coopskyll's equipment I got was like, do why don't we just get a place together and put all this in here. It's gonna be the best weight room in the area because we got everything, Like we've all we've all had plenty of money to buy lots of equipment, So we put it all together and got our own, got ourselves a spot, and Ryan trains all his clients there. It's called the Village atg and you know, it's it's awesome, you know. I named it that because it's kind of those village of people that have been a part of my whole career and it's fun. It's cool that that we opened a year ago and it's already become like Sean trains there, which obviously is a mass part of my career, like Cooper and Pookah and Tyler Higbee and and uh you know, Xavier and Rob Hanstein and a lot that got the old line now come in there and train with Ryan and uh, you know, and then still a circle of families that we did it with. So it really is like our village of people that we've kind of gotten to know and live with in La that are all still in there.

And so it's been really fun. Man.

And so it's been really fun. Man.

It's it's a good opportunity for me as an old head that's out of the game now to be sitting on my treadmill doing my little incline walls.

It's it's a good opportunity for me as an old head that's out of the game now to be sitting on my treadmill doing my little incline walls.

Hey, are you partaking in the workouts?

Hey, are you partaking in the workouts?

Oh? I work out in the mornings with Sean. We get after.

Oh? I work out in the mornings with Sean. We get after.

I'm already getting injured. I had the head trainer of the Rams called me to the day. He goes, Hey, listen, we got to talk. I got what what's up? He goes, Man, you are forty three, you played seventeen thousand snaps the NFL. You've called me more now retired than than I talked to you when you played with injuries.

I'm already getting injured. I had the head trainer of the Rams called me to the day. He goes, Hey, listen, we got to talk. I got what what's up? He goes, Man, you are forty three, you played seventeen thousand snaps the NFL. You've called me more now retired than than I talked to you when you played with injuries.

Like, what are we doing?

Like, what are we doing?

Like, let's let's let's stop, Let's go play golf. Kids going to the treadmill. I'm like, listen, I got a daughter about to be a freshman in high school. I'm getting ready for war, you know what I mean. Like, listen, I hope we're going back to Barbarian days.

Like, let's let's let's stop, Let's go play golf. Kids going to the treadmill. I'm like, listen, I got a daughter about to be a freshman in high school. I'm getting ready for war, you know what I mean. Like, listen, I hope we're going back to Barbarian days.

All right.

All right.

I'm trying to be ready right now. But that that that's really it. It's become. It's awesome, man, It's the time. I could spend a lot of time up there, hang out with guys, still have kind of that locker room feel and also working out, which is just a part of my passion in life to being being good shape and get after it.

I'm trying to be ready right now. But that that that's really it. It's become. It's awesome, man, It's the time. I could spend a lot of time up there, hang out with guys, still have kind of that locker room feel and also working out, which is just a part of my passion in life to being being good shape and get after it.

I feel like the only reason I know this guy saw like Sean McVay.

I feel like the only reason I know this guy saw like Sean McVay.

Yeah like three sixty or something doing Yeah, yeah, we're doing squats. Yeah he got he got a lot of fame for that.

Yeah like three sixty or something doing Yeah, yeah, we're doing squats. Yeah he got he got a lot of fame for that.

You know.

You know.

Our trainer actually took those videos and we had no idea. He posted them on his socially and it was like, oh no, So I later the text around, I go, wait, did you post those?

Our trainer actually took those videos and we had no idea. He posted them on his socially and it was like, oh no, So I later the text around, I go, wait, did you post those?

He goes yeah, And I'm like, oh boy, this is a I knew.

He goes yeah, And I'm like, oh boy, this is a I knew.

I already knew Sean doing backsquads is going to go viral, and sure enough it did.

I already knew Sean doing backsquads is going to go viral, and sure enough it did.

Yeah for sure. I mean he was working out like he was trying to be young.

Yeah for sure. I mean he was working out like he was trying to be young.

Oh listen, he you know, I mean you've been around it. He believes in himself a lot, so he's already like, you know, pretty soul that he could like go out there and run with the guys. Now say, man, we get to to He's like, the guys are going to be impressed. Man, I'm put together right now. I'm like, okay, down, com down.

Oh listen, he you know, I mean you've been around it. He believes in himself a lot, so he's already like, you know, pretty soul that he could like go out there and run with the guys. Now say, man, we get to to He's like, the guys are going to be impressed. Man, I'm put together right now. I'm like, okay, down, com down.

It's something to say though, you know, like I've had.

It's something to say though, you know, like I've had.

He loves it, man, Yeah, it is good.

He loves it, man, Yeah, it is good.

You think of these coaches, Man, we talk about all the time, like the stress that's involved with those jobs. And you're always in the building, You're always watching tape, You're always like kind of sitting in there having these conversations where you're constantly pushing yourself mentally and physically to really like understand what's that next step, what's the next thing that we can do, what's the next advantage we can get? And it's high stress and and a lot of expectation, like we know it. Through social media, through everything, we see a lot of mental health stuff. And so I think for him, it's been this awesome like, Man, get out of my own building and just go get a workout in with somebody I love and want to be around, and kind of just have my fellowship time and then I can kind of, you know, drive the facility and kind of reset myself before I go into work. And so I think it's really that opportunity for him to kind of just mental health type man, just get myself in a good place before I walk in that door.

You think of these coaches, Man, we talk about all the time, like the stress that's involved with those jobs. And you're always in the building, You're always watching tape, You're always like kind of sitting in there having these conversations where you're constantly pushing yourself mentally and physically to really like understand what's that next step, what's the next thing that we can do, what's the next advantage we can get? And it's high stress and and a lot of expectation, like we know it. Through social media, through everything, we see a lot of mental health stuff. And so I think for him, it's been this awesome like, Man, get out of my own building and just go get a workout in with somebody I love and want to be around, and kind of just have my fellowship time and then I can kind of, you know, drive the facility and kind of reset myself before I go into work. And so I think it's really that opportunity for him to kind of just mental health type man, just get myself in a good place before I walk in that door.

Maybe conditioning he does get in with.

Maybe conditioning he does get in with.

The team's feeling good, he's he's running on the tread.

The team's feeling good, he's he's running on the tread.

He's trying to hit his top speeds. He thinks he can.

He's trying to hit his top speeds. He thinks he can.

I got he's gonna he's gonna get in there, and uh, I think he's gonna try to run some routes for receivers. I'm gonna guess that's gonna be my guess because it feels like he's moving right now.

I got he's gonna he's gonna get in there, and uh, I think he's gonna try to run some routes for receivers. I'm gonna guess that's gonna be my guess because it feels like he's moving right now.

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

Look, I remember one year Sean Payton got gotten like super shaped, super fit shape, and like we were doing some CrossFit, you know, cross condition respect guy yay, and he like he knocked it out with the team, and I was like as many guys as was gripe, and I was like, bro, you can't let this old man beat you.

Look, I remember one year Sean Payton got gotten like super shaped, super fit shape, and like we were doing some CrossFit, you know, cross condition respect guy yay, and he like he knocked it out with the team, and I was like as many guys as was gripe, and I was like, bro, you can't let this old man beat you.

Man, you get beat by the head coach, right.

Man, you get beat by the head coach, right.

But I was like, A great, he's been doing this, he's been training for this one of in one situation.

But I was like, A great, he's been doing this, he's been training for this one of in one situation.

But that's that's amazing. Brouh.

But that's that's amazing. Brouh.

A trailer for episode one of the Training at the Villages came out recently, So yeah, I.

A trailer for episode one of the Training at the Villages came out recently, So yeah, I.

Said, this is a production.

Said, this is a production.

Yeah, So Coop and Pooka and them have had a guy kind of doing content on their workouts.

Yeah, So Coop and Pooka and them have had a guy kind of doing content on their workouts.

You know.

You know.

The receivers man they they're good at that stuff. So uh, they've been doing that for a while. And he came to me, he was like, man, can I make kind of a you know, a little episode of basically Cooper and Pooka and you know, with Cooper leaving and going to Seattle, And he's like, I'd love to kind of document you know, their training together and then before he leaves, and so uh, he was able to put that together, and then you know, he showed a little short of it the other day of Cooper's last day in the gym, which was was tough.

The receivers man they they're good at that stuff. So uh, they've been doing that for a while. And he came to me, he was like, man, can I make kind of a you know, a little episode of basically Cooper and Pooka and you know, with Cooper leaving and going to Seattle, And he's like, I'd love to kind of document you know, their training together and then before he leaves, and so uh, he was able to put that together, and then you know, he showed a little short of it the other day of Cooper's last day in the gym, which was was tough.

Man.

Man.

I mean, we've played long enough, man, you know, it's a you know, we played, both of us have played long enough where you get those moments where there's those guys that leave or go somewhere else or career ins and you're like, man, that one, that one, that one hurt a little bit. And so Coop obviously just you know, he came here as a rookie in seventeen when I came in free agency, so I've kind of been with him since he got there. His impact, the man he is, the way he does things is so rare and so special. So to kind of see the emotions of him knowing this kind of his last days. He's kind of going up to Seattle to make that his home and get ready to play for the Seahawks. It was it was an emotional day, but also like a rush of all the good memories. I mean, we kind of meet Matthew Stafford came up and watched it too, watched his workout, Me and him watched him work out and getting caught the fellowship with him after and it's just like to talk about all the good times and some of the good emotions and fun times off the field. I think sometimes people only think of like football, but you know, we're thinking the breakfast or the dinners we went to, or just different moments where funny stuff's happened. It was good to kind of sit and just have a moment about some of that.

I mean, we've played long enough, man, you know, it's a you know, we played, both of us have played long enough where you get those moments where there's those guys that leave or go somewhere else or career ins and you're like, man, that one, that one, that one hurt a little bit. And so Coop obviously just you know, he came here as a rookie in seventeen when I came in free agency, so I've kind of been with him since he got there. His impact, the man he is, the way he does things is so rare and so special. So to kind of see the emotions of him knowing this kind of his last days. He's kind of going up to Seattle to make that his home and get ready to play for the Seahawks. It was it was an emotional day, but also like a rush of all the good memories. I mean, we kind of meet Matthew Stafford came up and watched it too, watched his workout, Me and him watched him work out and getting caught the fellowship with him after and it's just like to talk about all the good times and some of the good emotions and fun times off the field. I think sometimes people only think of like football, but you know, we're thinking the breakfast or the dinners we went to, or just different moments where funny stuff's happened. It was good to kind of sit and just have a moment about some of that.

At the village.

At the village.

You welcome anytime, you Man.

You welcome anytime, you Man.

If only I worked out for real, you know, I'm big on running.

If only I worked out for real, you know, I'm big on running.

I just want to run.

I just want to run.

I just want to be skinny, and I love that I'm already Big Big comes eas here.

I just want to be skinny, and I love that I'm already Big Big comes eas here.

We always gonna be BIG's same trainer. I tell my Regie Scotty.

We always gonna be BIG's same trainer. I tell my Regie Scotty.

He told me, hey, listen, man, I walked in one day He's like, I know you've been really getting after it, trying to stay lean and stuff. He goes, can I just tell you something? I said, what's that, Reggie? He goes, You're gonna die in a big box? And I was like, thanks, Rich, it's but He's like, no matter what, Bro, you always gonna be big. Just get get used to it.

He told me, hey, listen, man, I walked in one day He's like, I know you've been really getting after it, trying to stay lean and stuff. He goes, can I just tell you something? I said, what's that, Reggie? He goes, You're gonna die in a big box? And I was like, thanks, Rich, it's but He's like, no matter what, Bro, you always gonna be big. Just get get used to it.

Okay, I don't want to be ready.

Okay, I don't want to be ready.

I ain't changed. I could be Okay, I could be why any big?

I ain't changed. I could be Okay, I could be why any big?

All right, it's Katy b Yeah, I'm already gonna be wide, Like, let me not be round and one exactly, you know. Congratulations on the East West Shrine Bowl Hall of Fame.

All right, it's Katy b Yeah, I'm already gonna be wide, Like, let me not be round and one exactly, you know. Congratulations on the East West Shrine Bowl Hall of Fame.

Yeah that was. That was a really cool experience. Man. Got to go down there, go to Dallas. Uh that's where they had it this year.

Yeah that was. That was a really cool experience. Man. Got to go down there, go to Dallas. Uh that's where they had it this year.

When I was in it, it was in San Antonio, little remember being in Yeah, a little different setting, but yeah, I was in Dallas.

When I was in it, it was in San Antonio, little remember being in Yeah, a little different setting, but yeah, I was in Dallas.

It was a really cool experience. Eddie George is there.

It was a really cool experience. Eddie George is there.

Got to hang out with him for a while and uh, man, that was that was really cool.

Got to hang out with him for a while and uh, man, that was that was really cool.

It was neat to be there, be in that setting.

It was neat to be there, be in that setting.

And that also brings back those Russian of emotions right when I'm twenty twenty one, twenty two, and I'm thinking, man, how am I probably going to play in the NFL?

And that also brings back those Russian of emotions right when I'm twenty twenty one, twenty two, and I'm thinking, man, how am I probably going to play in the NFL?

Like what does that even mean?

Like what does that even mean?

What? No, that was that was a confidence booster.

What? No, that was that was a confidence booster.

Listen.

Listen.

I was at that game, like man, lsu No. I was confident on the field. But when I'm sitting there thinking about the draft and the expectation like that kind of stuff, You're like, man, you know, you're always living in that world, like what do I gotta do to make sure I'm ready for whatever it is that's in front of you. You know, there's a lot of nerves and pressure to like train and get after your and get after it and be like, all right, I'm gonna be prepared for anything, and little do you know, you're gonna get there and every single days you may learn no matter what, but you just gotta be a warrior and.

I was at that game, like man, lsu No. I was confident on the field. But when I'm sitting there thinking about the draft and the expectation like that kind of stuff, You're like, man, you know, you're always living in that world, like what do I gotta do to make sure I'm ready for whatever it is that's in front of you. You know, there's a lot of nerves and pressure to like train and get after your and get after it and be like, all right, I'm gonna be prepared for anything, and little do you know, you're gonna get there and every single days you may learn no matter what, but you just gotta be a warrior and.

Get after it.

Get after it.

So you had some anxieties, Oh buddy, I've always been that way really yeah. Oh yeah, always wired up. But that's what drives me. I Mean, my daughter and I just had some conversations. She tried out for her high school dance team yesterday, and I just had a conversation where like, go Hey, you've been nerved up, but you've been practicing like I mean literally three four hours, three nights a week. Like you're exhausted. You have to get share therapy and stuff because your ankles and your feet are also messed up with so much dancing. And I was like, and that's all driven from nerves. And I said, Daddy was that way, I like, my nerves are would make me. I would never quit. I would train till I couldn't take it anymore. And I would work out and prepare and watch tape and all this stuff. And I was like, but the day of it, that's when I like woo sah, and it's like, oh yeah, like this this is what I like. I'd always remember when I was in Cincinnati. I would get our tunnel. I would get in that tunnel and we always like I would sit around wait for a second, and I'd always have this yawn. I would like yawn and I would smile and be like, oh man, this is like this is literally like oh man, I almost got I got so relaxed that I'm like I've put all the work in and now it was just now it was time.

So you had some anxieties, Oh buddy, I've always been that way really yeah. Oh yeah, always wired up. But that's what drives me. I Mean, my daughter and I just had some conversations. She tried out for her high school dance team yesterday, and I just had a conversation where like, go Hey, you've been nerved up, but you've been practicing like I mean literally three four hours, three nights a week. Like you're exhausted. You have to get share therapy and stuff because your ankles and your feet are also messed up with so much dancing. And I was like, and that's all driven from nerves. And I said, Daddy was that way, I like, my nerves are would make me. I would never quit. I would train till I couldn't take it anymore. And I would work out and prepare and watch tape and all this stuff. And I was like, but the day of it, that's when I like woo sah, and it's like, oh yeah, like this this is what I like. I'd always remember when I was in Cincinnati. I would get our tunnel. I would get in that tunnel and we always like I would sit around wait for a second, and I'd always have this yawn. I would like yawn and I would smile and be like, oh man, this is like this is literally like oh man, I almost got I got so relaxed that I'm like I've put all the work in and now it was just now it was time.

Now this is like what I love to do. So it's like that feeling.

Now this is like what I love to do. So it's like that feeling.

And so I could see in her like she was excited, like today's the day to go show what I've done, you know, And that was cool to just kind of see her be in that moment.

And so I could see in her like she was excited, like today's the day to go show what I've done, you know, And that was cool to just kind of see her be in that moment.

Yeah, I mean that's crazy to think about it. It was like you were you played sixteen years in the league.

Yeah, I mean that's crazy to think about it. It was like you were you played sixteen years in the league.

Yeah, but you got I seen Kim our position is nothing but anxious. It's like the only thing I can do is jump early, hold or give up a sack.

Yeah, but you got I seen Kim our position is nothing but anxious. It's like the only thing I can do is jump early, hold or give up a sack.

So it's like it's like, man, you know, all I can do is make a mistake.

So it's like it's like, man, you know, all I can do is make a mistake.

Right, Nobody even knows if I do my job, So the only thing you can do is make a mistake.

Right, Nobody even knows if I do my job, So the only thing you can do is make a mistake.

So alignment are always anxious.

So alignment are always anxious.

I was gonna say that I see a lot of old line.

I was gonna say that I see a lot of old line.

That's why when y'all get off on the count fast, we fall apart because we're so anxious we started stepping all over ourselves.

That's why when y'all get off on the count fast, we fall apart because we're so anxious we started stepping all over ourselves.

Or would used to get me was like the Channa Jones not get off, like yeah, like he'd delay his get off, and I'm like, like my whole life I've been born on like yep, first reaction, first reaction, time to count.

Or would used to get me was like the Channa Jones not get off, like yeah, like he'd delay his get off, and I'm like, like my whole life I've been born on like yep, first reaction, first reaction, time to count.

He was a pattern guy. So I used to do that off the white. You know, I faced channel a lot, had a lot of success against him. And Jared Goff came out one day to walk through we're about to play him, and this is Jared Young.

He was a pattern guy. So I used to do that off the white. You know, I faced channel a lot, had a lot of success against him. And Jared Goff came out one day to walk through we're about to play him, and this is Jared Young.

Jared like, yeah, two or three.

Jared like, yeah, two or three.

And he's like, what in the world are you doing? And I'm out there mimicking Chandler's moves and he's like, wait, what are you doing? And I'm like, so, Chandler Jones, you want to understand this. But he's a rhythm and pattern guy. So what I do when I play people's like I was never in the NFL some guy who's like an explosive, get off the ball guy. I learned to study people's habits and patterns. So I would block people in the pattern that they move in, so like I would move my feet when rhythm with how they move, like dancing.