Mary Katharine Ham and Karol Markowicz are back with Normalish takes on crime, free speech, politics, pop culture — and why sometimes the secret to a happy marriage is simply being nice about the new bowls.
First, they examine a series of criminal justice controversies, including developments involving San Francisco’s law-enforcement oversight system, Virginia’s parole board and Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner. A federal judge has referred Krasner and a senior prosecutor to federal authorities for potential investigation over their conduct in a post-conviction murder case; Krasner disputes the judge’s findings and plans to appeal.
Then, Karol and Mary Katharine dive into the controversy surrounding Macklemore’s removal from Ed Sheeran’s U.S. tour following his pro-Palestinian remarks at MetLife Stadium. Tour promoter Messina Touring Group said multiple venues would not host concerts with Macklemore on the lineup, while Sheeran has said the decision was made by promoters and venues rather than by him. Other supporting acts subsequently withdrew from the tour in solidarity with Macklemore.
The conversation expands into a broader debate over political expression, boycotts, free speech and consequences in entertainment. They also discuss Mahmoud Khalil’s lawsuit against Columbia University and NBA player Kyle Kuzma’s public comments about Palestinians, Hamas and Israel.
Finally, they lighten things up with some relationship advice inspired by a viral debate about husbands, wives and replacing perfectly functional cereal bowls. Their takeaway: you don’t have to care about the bowls — but being nice to your spouse is free.

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