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Waleed Aly spent more than a decade on our screens four nights a week on The Project. He’s one of the most recognisable people in Australian media, yet he has never had a social media account and very few of us know much about him at all.

In this conversation, Kate and her former Project colleague go back to Vermont in Melbourne’s east, where the son of Egyptian migrants grew up in a house where big ideas were argued over the dinner table, and where his English-teacher mum still corrects his grammar. He talks about how close his dad came to giving up on Australia altogether, the trip to Cairo at 20 that changed his faith, and how the woman he married first told him she wouldn’t marry him “if you were the last man on earth”.

Waleed opens up about keeping his kids out of the public eye, the backlash that came with his Gold Logie, the night he lost his father, and whether he really did cry on the last night of The Project. And he explains why he’ll never go into politics, why he’s a pessimist who wishes he were an optimist, and the peace that comes from accepting you’re not in control.

Reasoning with Chaos: Dispatches from disorder by Waleed Aly is available now. 

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CREDITS:

Guest: Waleed Aly

Host: Kate Langbroek

Executive Producer: Bree Player

Video, Content and Social Producer: Jess Chan

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