The volume. Oka see did what they needed to do. They came to Indiana and got a game. They're going back to OKC tiede two two thanks to a one eleven one oh four victory. Thank you, guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner co hosts Liberty City's own Benga Ring of Fame otter Ree.

The volume. Oka see did what they needed to do. They came to Indiana and got a game. They're going back to OKC tiede two two thanks to a one eleven one oh four victory. Thank you, guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner co hosts Liberty City's own Benga Ring of Fame otter Ree.

He's the pro bowler, All Pro. That's Chad.

He's the pro bowler, All Pro. That's Chad.

It's O Chosenko Johnson and the third number of our squad, Arkansas lul Rock native the University of Arkansas, lum I so old Joe Joe Johnson and joining us to break down the game tonight as a three time All Star, NBA champ, nineteen ninety six national champion winning at the University of Kentucky, and twine Walker Twin. Thanks for Joe this again. We're gonna get to you in just a second. Please make sure y'all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the light button, and guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank each and every one of you. If you're listening, if you're watching, we can't thank you enough for your support, and hopefully you'll continue to give us your continued support because thanks to you. It's because of you we're able to do what we're able to do, and we cannot thank you enough, So thank you again. Make sure you check out Shave by Laportier. We have it in stop now. If you can't find Shave by la Portier and a package shop or Total Wines or wherever the case may be in a city or state near you, ordered online and we'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you check out my media company page on all of its platforms, shay Shape Media add my clothing company eighty four with eighty four being spelled out. That link is pinned into the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone, so please grab yours while supplies last. The thunder even the series Crew two two. Uh Shaye was sensational. The first forty four minutes. Guys, he had two free throws. The last the last eight minutes, last, excuse me, the last four minutes he had eight free throws, so he was ten of ten for tonight. Jalen Williams was eleven of eleven. He had thirty five points on twelve twenty four shooting. Jaylen Williams was eight of eighteen eleven eleven from the free throw line, chet six and six from the free throw line.

It's O Chosenko Johnson and the third number of our squad, Arkansas lul Rock native the University of Arkansas, lum I so old Joe Joe Johnson and joining us to break down the game tonight as a three time All Star, NBA champ, nineteen ninety six national champion winning at the University of Kentucky, and twine Walker Twin. Thanks for Joe this again. We're gonna get to you in just a second. Please make sure y'all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the light button, and guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank each and every one of you. If you're listening, if you're watching, we can't thank you enough for your support, and hopefully you'll continue to give us your continued support because thanks to you. It's because of you we're able to do what we're able to do, and we cannot thank you enough, So thank you again. Make sure you check out Shave by Laportier. We have it in stop now. If you can't find Shave by la Portier and a package shop or Total Wines or wherever the case may be in a city or state near you, ordered online and we'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you check out my media company page on all of its platforms, shay Shape Media add my clothing company eighty four with eighty four being spelled out. That link is pinned into the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone, so please grab yours while supplies last. The thunder even the series Crew two two. Uh Shaye was sensational. The first forty four minutes. Guys, he had two free throws. The last the last eight minutes, last, excuse me, the last four minutes he had eight free throws, so he was ten of ten for tonight. Jalen Williams was eleven of eleven. He had thirty five points on twelve twenty four shooting. Jaylen Williams was eight of eighteen eleven eleven from the free throw line, chet six and six from the free throw line.

But I thought the guy that kept a minute, just like Matthern did the other night.

But I thought the guy that kept a minute, just like Matthern did the other night.

It was Alex Caruso. He was sensational the night. He didn't let them he did. Uh. And don't get me wrong, Obie Topping played well. They got what thirty five sixteen thirty thirty six points? Uh yeah, thirty six points from their bench. But Carusoe was tremendous early. Joelyn Marvels started you and then Twine, we're gonna kick it off to you. Joe lem ask your question. Did the Thunder win this game? Or did the Pacers lose it?

It was Alex Caruso. He was sensational the night. He didn't let them he did. Uh. And don't get me wrong, Obie Topping played well. They got what thirty five sixteen thirty thirty six points? Uh yeah, thirty six points from their bench. But Carusoe was tremendous early. Joelyn Marvels started you and then Twine, we're gonna kick it off to you. Joe lem ask your question. Did the Thunder win this game? Or did the Pacers lose it?

Now? The Thunder wonning, Man, that is a great game.

Now? The Thunder wonning, Man, that is a great game.

It was kind of Teeter Titer pretty much throughout the whole game, and the Thunder I scored him a bout fourteen and that fourth quarter that was the taiale of the game right there.

It was kind of Teeter Titer pretty much throughout the whole game, and the Thunder I scored him a bout fourteen and that fourth quarter that was the taiale of the game right there.

Hey, look, I ain't gonna tell you. I know, Lie, I was nervous over here.

Hey, look, I ain't gonna tell you. I know, Lie, I was nervous over here.

I was watching the game for OKC because I felt, you know, especially toward the end of their third to one, you know, Indiana took the momentum, you know what I mean. I felt like I said, man, they gonna end up closing these board out because OKC looked like they had got a little fatigued down the stretch. What they did to the third and in the fourth quarter, they just made big play out the big play, and the Pacers seemed like they had a hard time scoring and the paces, I mean, the OKAC ended up pulling out. Well, honestly, I'm gonna be be honest, and we gotta be honest fellas, you know we're doing this. You saw the MVP Shay take this game to the next level fourth quarter.

I was watching the game for OKC because I felt, you know, especially toward the end of their third to one, you know, Indiana took the momentum, you know what I mean. I felt like I said, man, they gonna end up closing these board out because OKC looked like they had got a little fatigued down the stretch. What they did to the third and in the fourth quarter, they just made big play out the big play, and the Pacers seemed like they had a hard time scoring and the paces, I mean, the OKAC ended up pulling out. Well, honestly, I'm gonna be be honest, and we gotta be honest fellas, you know we're doing this. You saw the MVP Shay take this game to the next level fourth quarter.

It's the reason why he got to the award.

It's the reason why he got to the award.

We looked for those type of performances to go on the road and close the game out, and he did what he had to do, and that's what he did. He did even this series up, and he did what he had to do. But also too, you know, you gotta think about it when you look at with Indiana, and don't get me wrong, with Indiana has been great all year. I love Indiana. I actually have. I think Indiana can win this series. But when you're doing it by committee and makes it hard when you don't really have that guy. I know, we know, we talk about Tyler Harbert. You know Tyler a lot and think that he can get it done. But they do it by committee. They don't do it, you know, okay, see is for the young as they are and the way they play. Shaye has to play great and deliver for them down the stretch for.

We looked for those type of performances to go on the road and close the game out, and he did what he had to do, and that's what he did. He did even this series up, and he did what he had to do. But also too, you know, you gotta think about it when you look at with Indiana, and don't get me wrong, with Indiana has been great all year. I love Indiana. I actually have. I think Indiana can win this series. But when you're doing it by committee and makes it hard when you don't really have that guy. I know, we know, we talk about Tyler Harbert. You know Tyler a lot and think that he can get it done. But they do it by committee. They don't do it, you know, okay, see is for the young as they are and the way they play. Shaye has to play great and deliver for them down the stretch for.

Them to win.

Them to win.

We all know that no matter how good, we know how great they've been all season.

We all know that no matter how good, we know how great they've been all season.

We know Williams has been great.

We know Williams has been great.

We got no check and have his moments where he plays great. But when Shane plays great and delivers, they win. And with Indiana it's too much about committee. I don't know if you guys felt the way I felt. You just don't know who's gonna make a shot. I look at the offense, it's just too random. It's not like you know and Joe, you understand this more. I want to be able to give it to my guy. We're gonna want to pick a roll. He's gonna make the best players, gonna look score or get the best guy a possible shot. Indiana is too random for me. And that's what happens laden games and it gets too random. Well, okay, see we know Shan's taking that shot. We know Shan's gonna make that shot. He's gonna take that shot. Indiana just too random. And I don't want to take anything away from what he at right now and still have a chance to win his title.

We got no check and have his moments where he plays great. But when Shane plays great and delivers, they win. And with Indiana it's too much about committee. I don't know if you guys felt the way I felt. You just don't know who's gonna make a shot. I look at the offense, it's just too random. It's not like you know and Joe, you understand this more. I want to be able to give it to my guy. We're gonna want to pick a roll. He's gonna make the best players, gonna look score or get the best guy a possible shot. Indiana is too random for me. And that's what happens laden games and it gets too random. Well, okay, see we know Shan's taking that shot. We know Shan's gonna make that shot. He's gonna take that shot. Indiana just too random. And I don't want to take anything away from what he at right now and still have a chance to win his title.

But when you're doing it by committee, it's tough man in these type of games.

But when you're doing it by committee, it's tough man in these type of games.

Oh Joe, you had the Pacers to win the series, you had him picked to win this game. What didn't you like about what you saw from the Pacers down the stretch?

Oh Joe, you had the Pacers to win the series, you had him picked to win this game. What didn't you like about what you saw from the Pacers down the stretch?

Listen, obviously, what enough plays. I'm gonna piggyback off what Tawan said. It's too random. It's too random. They can't actually run a set play and have a specific guy that's a go to guy that can get your shot where you want to, Like Tawan say, they do everything by committee, and it really ain't. Honestly, I think the Pacers lost this game because of what the god damn thunder decided to do.

Listen, obviously, what enough plays. I'm gonna piggyback off what Tawan said. It's too random. It's too random. They can't actually run a set play and have a specific guy that's a go to guy that can get your shot where you want to, Like Tawan say, they do everything by committee, and it really ain't. Honestly, I think the Pacers lost this game because of what the god damn thunder decided to do.

Let's talk about identity and she ain't gonna do it.

Let's talk about identity and she ain't gonna do it.

Oh do it, XGA do No matter what, He's always gonna close it game on. You know, he ain't worried about efficiency. He gonna take them out, sharing damn shots and get his points. But the Thunder finally remember who they are. What they've done all postseason when they didn't do the first two games is they had been in their biggs and what they did tonight went right back to their big lineup. They had shtting On Wrenn and Isaiah Hartlstein starting together, just like they did the whole postseason. What happened Chad had a double Dublin Hardestyn to have a he'd have a great game. But listen, they wanted to paint, They wanted the glass, and the hell they wanted.

Oh do it, XGA do No matter what, He's always gonna close it game on. You know, he ain't worried about efficiency. He gonna take them out, sharing damn shots and get his points. But the Thunder finally remember who they are. What they've done all postseason when they didn't do the first two games is they had been in their biggs and what they did tonight went right back to their big lineup. They had shtting On Wrenn and Isaiah Hartlstein starting together, just like they did the whole postseason. What happened Chad had a double Dublin Hardestyn to have a he'd have a great game. But listen, they wanted to paint, They wanted the glass, and the hell they wanted.

The goddamn game.

The goddamn game.

Yeah Sga is the first player since Jerry West to have thirty five plus points and zero assists in the Finals game. Caruso the first bench player in the NBA Finals history with twenty points and five steals in the game. JOYDT pull that back up and Jaylen Williams had twenty seven points. He was sensational in the night. You could see why he was an All the NBA selection. Everybody think Joe, you and I we questioned them switching their lineups man. You in the finals, you got their won sixty eight games, and with the exception of their Nuggets, you won relatively Eve, you swept, You swept Memphis, you lose one game to a Minnesota you have to go. I mean, you had to go seven with the Nuggets, but you end up blowing them out. And so I didn't understand T one. I didn't understand Joe and I we were talking about it. I didn't understand why they went to that small lineup because maybe they saw the success that Indy had against Cleveland two bigs, the success they had against the Knicks two bigs, and they say, no, we're not gonna give them that advantage. But your advantage is your advantage. Your advantage is playing Hartenstein and the home run together and then going to your bench because your bench is very good. These probably the two best bench teams in all of basketball, and it's no surprise that they're here. I think it's a blessing at a curse to one because when you look at the Pacers, because they don't have a guy that you have to key on, you don't know who's gonna hurt you on a given night. They're gonna have I'm a guy in somewhere in the twenties, and they're gonna have a bunch of teams a boy nineteen or eighteen or seventeen. Yeah, you would like to have a guy that you could say giving the ball like a shape, or you have a guy like you got with a Brunson or one of those guys, you know, one of the top players that you can give in the ball and go get your bucket.

Yeah Sga is the first player since Jerry West to have thirty five plus points and zero assists in the Finals game. Caruso the first bench player in the NBA Finals history with twenty points and five steals in the game. JOYDT pull that back up and Jaylen Williams had twenty seven points. He was sensational in the night. You could see why he was an All the NBA selection. Everybody think Joe, you and I we questioned them switching their lineups man. You in the finals, you got their won sixty eight games, and with the exception of their Nuggets, you won relatively Eve, you swept, You swept Memphis, you lose one game to a Minnesota you have to go. I mean, you had to go seven with the Nuggets, but you end up blowing them out. And so I didn't understand T one. I didn't understand Joe and I we were talking about it. I didn't understand why they went to that small lineup because maybe they saw the success that Indy had against Cleveland two bigs, the success they had against the Knicks two bigs, and they say, no, we're not gonna give them that advantage. But your advantage is your advantage. Your advantage is playing Hartenstein and the home run together and then going to your bench because your bench is very good. These probably the two best bench teams in all of basketball, and it's no surprise that they're here. I think it's a blessing at a curse to one because when you look at the Pacers, because they don't have a guy that you have to key on, you don't know who's gonna hurt you on a given night. They're gonna have I'm a guy in somewhere in the twenties, and they're gonna have a bunch of teams a boy nineteen or eighteen or seventeen. Yeah, you would like to have a guy that you could say giving the ball like a shape, or you have a guy like you got with a Brunson or one of those guys, you know, one of the top players that you can give in the ball and go get your bucket.

That's not what they have. What they have is a bunch.

That's not what they have. What they have is a bunch.

Of guys that's not afraid to take shots in big moments tonight that didn't happen. Halliburton airball two threes, Miles Turner airball to three. I thought the difference in this ball game tonight. Look at the percentage that Indiana shot forty three. This is the OKC that we used to seeing, the getting up into them, getting the ball, forcing the turnovers.

Of guys that's not afraid to take shots in big moments tonight that didn't happen. Halliburton airball two threes, Miles Turner airball to three. I thought the difference in this ball game tonight. Look at the percentage that Indiana shot forty three. This is the OKC that we used to seeing, the getting up into them, getting the ball, forcing the turnovers.

One shot and that's it.

One shot and that's it.

They dominated them on the glass, They turned them over, and Halliburton had five Turner when he has basically more than three turnovers. It's not gonna be good for them because he's a guy that really doesn't turn the ball over. But I think you have to give credit to OKC tonight. Yeah, I thought, you know, now to ten point lead late in the thirty and they end up going to the fourth with a seven point lead. But okay, see you race that within the first four minutes of the fourth quarter, that lead was gone.

They dominated them on the glass, They turned them over, and Halliburton had five Turner when he has basically more than three turnovers. It's not gonna be good for them because he's a guy that really doesn't turn the ball over. But I think you have to give credit to OKC tonight. Yeah, I thought, you know, now to ten point lead late in the thirty and they end up going to the fourth with a seven point lead. But okay, see you race that within the first four minutes of the fourth quarter, that lead was gone.

Yeah. I got say something though.

Yeah. I got say something though.

If it's always picking backing off shot, it's always tough. And Joe, you understand this and shack when you're not when you don't have a real go to guy. And I'm not taking anything away from Tyler Hamburg and obviously Pascal Siakam two threes at Tyris. I'm sorry Tyres hamp and obviously Pascal, two guys that will played terrific basketball and have led their team to the finals. So I don't want to take anything away from them. But that's the reason why it's certain guys get paid fifty sixty million dollars a year. He is the reason why Shay is about the side for probably four hundred million dollars.

If it's always picking backing off shot, it's always tough. And Joe, you understand this and shack when you're not when you don't have a real go to guy. And I'm not taking anything away from Tyler Hamburg and obviously Pascal Siakam two threes at Tyris. I'm sorry Tyres hamp and obviously Pascal, two guys that will played terrific basketball and have led their team to the finals. So I don't want to take anything away from them. But that's the reason why it's certain guys get paid fifty sixty million dollars a year. He is the reason why Shay is about the side for probably four hundred million dollars.

You gotta have a guy that can go get you one.

You gotta have a guy that can go get you one.

The players get thrown out the window when you get to the finals and get to these situations, especially the last six to eight minutes of a game. I want to be able to get it to a guy individually and go get me a bucket, draw double team, get a guy open shot. And with Indiana is too random. By being so random, you don't know who's gonna score, right, And I think it kind of it kind of messes them up a little bit because they don't even know. I don't know if Rick and Rick Carlin is one of the greatest coaches ever coached this game, it's tough for him. I'm sure he's like, who do I go to, Who's the guy who's gonna stop up? Yeah, who's the guy that's gonna actually step up and get me a bucket or draw double team and get that. And that's I think that's what makes it hard for Andy. Well, Okay, scenes kind.

The players get thrown out the window when you get to the finals and get to these situations, especially the last six to eight minutes of a game. I want to be able to get it to a guy individually and go get me a bucket, draw double team, get a guy open shot. And with Indiana is too random. By being so random, you don't know who's gonna score, right, And I think it kind of it kind of messes them up a little bit because they don't even know. I don't know if Rick and Rick Carlin is one of the greatest coaches ever coached this game, it's tough for him. I'm sure he's like, who do I go to, Who's the guy who's gonna stop up? Yeah, who's the guy that's gonna actually step up and get me a bucket or draw double team and get that. And that's I think that's what makes it hard for Andy. Well, Okay, scenes kind.

Of know the role.

Of know the role.

All the players know their role. They know Shay's gonna dictake the pace. Especially with eight six four minutes to go in the game, who's gonna play off him and Indiana. I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel like it's just too random.

All the players know their role. They know Shay's gonna dictake the pace. Especially with eight six four minutes to go in the game, who's gonna play off him and Indiana. I don't know how you guys feel, but I feel like it's just too random.

I don't know who's gonna shoot the ball. Yeah, Well that's why.

I don't know who's gonna shoot the ball. Yeah, Well that's why.

So that's why you don't see a whole lot of teams like Indiana win championships. You gotta go back, and we talked about it the other night, Oh Joe and Joe. You got to go back to Detroit where you had a bunch of guys, no superstar players that you didn't know whether it gonna be Real Hamilton, whether it gonna be Chouncey normally Chauncey Tugget. That's how he got the name mister big Shot, Rashee Wallas or Tasha, So you.

So that's why you don't see a whole lot of teams like Indiana win championships. You gotta go back, and we talked about it the other night, Oh Joe and Joe. You got to go back to Detroit where you had a bunch of guys, no superstar players that you didn't know whether it gonna be Real Hamilton, whether it gonna be Chouncey normally Chauncey Tugget. That's how he got the name mister big Shot, Rashee Wallas or Tasha, So you.

Really didn't know. Normally teams win championships.

Really didn't know. Normally teams win championships.

They got a guy that we can give him the ball and he can go get us a bucket. You go back and look at the Lakers, whether it was Kareem with the sky hook magic, or you look at Bird or you look at.

They got a guy that we can give him the ball and he can go get us a bucket. You go back and look at the Lakers, whether it was Kareem with the sky hook magic, or you look at Bird or you look at.

You know, you Moses Malone.

You know, you Moses Malone.

You go back and look at history, Isaiah Thomas with the bad, bad boy pistons, that most teams shot of Kobe.

You go back and look at history, Isaiah Thomas with the bad, bad boy pistons, that most teams shot of Kobe.

Normally it was Kobe because they're gonna file shot.

Normally it was Kobe because they're gonna file shot.

But you've always had a guy that we can give the ball to and we know he can go get a bucket or he's gonna get filed. We know that that's not what Indiana have, and to their credit, they've made the most of the situation.

But you've always had a guy that we can give the ball to and we know he can go get a bucket or he's gonna get filed. We know that that's not what Indiana have, and to their credit, they've made the most of the situation.

And we talked about this the other night, is that because it's by.

And we talked about this the other night, is that because it's by.

Committee, you really don't know who's gonna be the one that's gonna put stick the knife in you, because you know, Pascal can get hot, and we seen him get hot. We seen Halliburton gets hot. We saw Matthren the other night he got hot. But right now they had this game, they're kicking himself. That is seven point lead, and they had him on the ropes because Shade was getting Shane looked like he was tied in the first ten minutes of.

Committee, you really don't know who's gonna be the one that's gonna put stick the knife in you, because you know, Pascal can get hot, and we seen him get hot. We seen Halliburton gets hot. We saw Matthren the other night he got hot. But right now they had this game, they're kicking himself. That is seven point lead, and they had him on the ropes because Shade was getting Shane looked like he was tied in the first ten minutes of.

The ball game.

The ball game.

He was.

He was.

He did, he did, he did, And so I was like, okay, man, this ain't looking good.

He did, he did, he did, And so I was like, okay, man, this ain't looking good.

Seven point lead going into the fourth quarter and okay, see, like, nah, we can't go down three one, and even though we're going back home, we need to tie this thing up.

Seven point lead going into the fourth quarter and okay, see, like, nah, we can't go down three one, and even though we're going back home, we need to tie this thing up.

Hey, Joe, Joe, I know it's by committee, but you gotta understand something, right, Twyne says, random, But this is what they've done all season long.

Hey, Joe, Joe, I know it's by committee, but you gotta understand something, right, Twyne says, random, But this is what they've done all season long.

That's what they've done all season long.

That's what they've done all season long.

And I think that's what make the Pacers so goddamn special in this series, because you don't know whose night is gonna be you know sometimes Tyler Ferby beat he's he's up and down. But then you know, nim Hard come out of nowhere, you know. And I really think that the game is gonna go to seven, right, You're gonna go to seven, And I think the Pacers, the Pacers is gonna pull it off.

And I think that's what make the Pacers so goddamn special in this series, because you don't know whose night is gonna be you know sometimes Tyler Ferby beat he's he's up and down. But then you know, nim Hard come out of nowhere, you know. And I really think that the game is gonna go to seven, right, You're gonna go to seven, And I think the Pacers, the Pacers is gonna pull it off.

They were gonna pull it off.

They were gonna pull it off.

I got listen.

I got listen.

I think I thought it was a hell of a game, but I thought it was in favor of OKC because of the scoring. Like the Pacer only scored one hundred and four points. That's what Okay want. They don't want a one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. See, that's that that helps the Pacers. For me, I feel like Jalen Williams, he was like I know Shade had thirty five, but I think Jalen was more than MVP because he kind of kept him in and he was aggressive throughout the whole entire Absolutely, I totally agree. He was getting into the TV, they defense, putting the pressure on the Pacers to foul, he was scoring.

I think I thought it was a hell of a game, but I thought it was in favor of OKC because of the scoring. Like the Pacer only scored one hundred and four points. That's what Okay want. They don't want a one hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty. See, that's that that helps the Pacers. For me, I feel like Jalen Williams, he was like I know Shade had thirty five, but I think Jalen was more than MVP because he kind of kept him in and he was aggressive throughout the whole entire Absolutely, I totally agree. He was getting into the TV, they defense, putting the pressure on the Pacers to foul, he was scoring.

I thought he'd done a great job night and keeping him in the game.

I thought he'd done a great job night and keeping him in the game.

And in the fourth quarter, I thought Shade came through and put his stamp on the game.

And in the fourth quarter, I thought Shade came through and put his stamp on the game.

Man, it was. It was definitely a tight, close, niche game.

Man, it was. It was definitely a tight, close, niche game.

But with OKC, you know, being having their youth on they side, I felt like and having shade the MVP, you know, they was able to pull it out toward the end.

But with OKC, you know, being having their youth on they side, I felt like and having shade the MVP, you know, they was able to pull it out toward the end.

I think the thing is also twat.

I think the thing is also twat.

And let me know what you think about this, the officiating down the stretch the lamb. The first forty four minutes, shall only shot two free throws. The last four minutes he shot eight free throws. How many three throws did they shoot the last four because I think but they turned the ball over. I mean on a drip, on a handoff, Miles turn to try to hand the ball off to Halliburton, George steals it, and we saw them turn the ball over. And they didn't have a whole lot of turnovers. It's when they had the turnovers. All turnovers aren't created equals like in football.

And let me know what you think about this, the officiating down the stretch the lamb. The first forty four minutes, shall only shot two free throws. The last four minutes he shot eight free throws. How many three throws did they shoot the last four because I think but they turned the ball over. I mean on a drip, on a handoff, Miles turn to try to hand the ball off to Halliburton, George steals it, and we saw them turn the ball over. And they didn't have a whole lot of turnovers. It's when they had the turnovers. All turnovers aren't created equals like in football.

Ohho.

Ohho.

We talk about this all the time. If you turn them all in the over in the fourth quarter a first quarter, it's a lot different than turning over in the fourth quarter, especially if you're up a score or you down a score. Now you give them the possession back and you don't really have a whole lot of time to make that up. And so when you're turning the ball over like Indiana was in the fourth quarter, look at what you did. Now a lead, now you don't even get a shot up at the realm, they get down, they get two. But let me you make a great point, shining, that's a great point. But this is the difference between two different teams. You got an everyp on one team where everybody knows that road we're gonna go through. She shakes to create eight, whether he take the shot or give somebody else a shot.

We talk about this all the time. If you turn them all in the over in the fourth quarter a first quarter, it's a lot different than turning over in the fourth quarter, especially if you're up a score or you down a score. Now you give them the possession back and you don't really have a whole lot of time to make that up. And so when you're turning the ball over like Indiana was in the fourth quarter, look at what you did. Now a lead, now you don't even get a shot up at the realm, they get down, they get two. But let me you make a great point, shining, that's a great point. But this is the difference between two different teams. You got an everyp on one team where everybody knows that road we're gonna go through. She shakes to create eight, whether he take the shot or give somebody else a shot.

When you talk.

When you talk.

About Indiana, and I say this again, and I don't want to take anything away from my own people think I'm hating or thinking they're not great.

About Indiana, and I say this again, and I don't want to take anything away from my own people think I'm hating or thinking they're not great.

The way they play has been terrific all year.

The way they play has been terrific all year.

But when you do it by committee, it's always tough because now you're not you have to This is the reason why and joke it relates to this. It's a reason why guys make fifty fifty five million of year, sixty million a year. It's the reason why you play these certain guys because you don't want to do it by committey late you want to go to your best player and whether he gets double team, make a pass, or he's taking the shot when Indiana, it's too random. How many times we've been watching the series, we don't know who's gonna score for Indiana. I mean, think about that. We don't know who's going to score for them late when it gets to six minutes, under six minutes, we don't know. The best game I thought they play is when Holliburg took control. Yeah, when he actually took control at Controller pays and when he takes the shot. And I'm not selling you get to the finals, so it's hard for me to question their style where they play, but when you get to this point in this game, you gotta have a go to guy that you give it to that could create a double team or could create his own shot. And when I look at Indiana, they don't have that. No, And okay, see he's too good defensively, You're not gonna beat them just one on one. You have to make an extra pass, Somebody has to make an extra move. You gotta have some guy with a skill level that's gonna score. And to be honest, if I was gonna make that decision on Indiana, I'm giving to Pascal Siakam and move it out the way.

But when you do it by committee, it's always tough because now you're not you have to This is the reason why and joke it relates to this. It's a reason why guys make fifty fifty five million of year, sixty million a year. It's the reason why you play these certain guys because you don't want to do it by committey late you want to go to your best player and whether he gets double team, make a pass, or he's taking the shot when Indiana, it's too random. How many times we've been watching the series, we don't know who's gonna score for Indiana. I mean, think about that. We don't know who's going to score for them late when it gets to six minutes, under six minutes, we don't know. The best game I thought they play is when Holliburg took control. Yeah, when he actually took control at Controller pays and when he takes the shot. And I'm not selling you get to the finals, so it's hard for me to question their style where they play, but when you get to this point in this game, you gotta have a go to guy that you give it to that could create a double team or could create his own shot. And when I look at Indiana, they don't have that. No, And okay, see he's too good defensively, You're not gonna beat them just one on one. You have to make an extra pass, Somebody has to make an extra move. You gotta have some guy with a skill level that's gonna score. And to be honest, if I was gonna make that decision on Indiana, I'm giving to Pascal Siakam and move it out the way.

I know they haven't died with haling Bird making decisions late.

I know they haven't died with haling Bird making decisions late.

I'm gonna give it to him because he's my best one on one player, and I'm gonna give it to him. You gotta simplify the game late. It's not about that I sold Joe. You've been in situation. You get the ball man.

I'm gonna give it to him because he's my best one on one player, and I'm gonna give it to him. You gotta simplify the game late. It's not about that I sold Joe. You've been in situation. You get the ball man.

You only gonna help. You don't even gonna help.

You only gonna help. You don't even gonna help.

I played with a great one on one player, Paul piss and after I could score. But Paul, you don't want me on this side. He's gonna be getting out the way right where. Indiana is too random, and by being so random, that's the reason that they in the position that they're in right now. You lose a game for on your own floor. They play good enough to win the night. You don't want to lose that game. It's gonna be tough for them now. I don't want to cap them out. You know, things happen. It's too two. Anything can go that way. Andrew's playing a part. God got have a bad night. So I'm not gonna predict the series right now. But Indiana got a little soul searching to do. It's some other guys got to step up, or Holli burd Is gonna have to live and die with him taking twenty five thirty shots or being aggressive and saying, hey, I can go home at night. Hey I was aggressive. I didn't have it. But you cannot play the random basketball with all these different guys thinking they can have I think they may have four or five. They may have six guys in double figures. And that's cute some nights. In most NBA nights, five guys, that's cute most knights.

I played with a great one on one player, Paul piss and after I could score. But Paul, you don't want me on this side. He's gonna be getting out the way right where. Indiana is too random, and by being so random, that's the reason that they in the position that they're in right now. You lose a game for on your own floor. They play good enough to win the night. You don't want to lose that game. It's gonna be tough for them now. I don't want to cap them out. You know, things happen. It's too two. Anything can go that way. Andrew's playing a part. God got have a bad night. So I'm not gonna predict the series right now. But Indiana got a little soul searching to do. It's some other guys got to step up, or Holli burd Is gonna have to live and die with him taking twenty five thirty shots or being aggressive and saying, hey, I can go home at night. Hey I was aggressive. I didn't have it. But you cannot play the random basketball with all these different guys thinking they can have I think they may have four or five. They may have six guys in double figures. And that's cute some nights. In most NBA nights, five guys, that's cute most knights.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

It's good you get five sis guys from sure, coaches love it. But this is the reason why we pay those mass contracts right now, reason why you give guys forty forty five fifty million dollars a year to show up right now. I don't know who that guy is from any Indiana. They may I have that guy. Hey, somebody gonna have to do it or shake Gunna picked them apart for these next two games.

It's good you get five sis guys from sure, coaches love it. But this is the reason why we pay those mass contracts right now, reason why you give guys forty forty five fifty million dollars a year to show up right now. I don't know who that guy is from any Indiana. They may I have that guy. Hey, somebody gonna have to do it or shake Gunna picked them apart for these next two games.

A torn ojo.

A torn ojo.

When you when you look at this game, I thought Indiana, I'll played them for three quarters.

When you when you look at this game, I thought Indiana, I'll played them for three quarters.

They did.

They did.

They all played them for three quarters, and in that fourth quarter. I felt, you know, OKC, they knew what they had to do to win. They out scored them by fourteen. So it lets me know, you've seen air balls, you've seen block shots from OKC, like they really locked down, and then you know you got your best player getting to the line getting free throws. They took the momentimum away from Indiana in that fourth quarter. Man, they seemed like the edges went out in that building. But I agree with torn I thought I thought Indiana played well enough to win. They just got out played in the fourth corner. It was Tito taa from the first, second, third, and then the fourth you get out scored like that.

They all played them for three quarters, and in that fourth quarter. I felt, you know, OKC, they knew what they had to do to win. They out scored them by fourteen. So it lets me know, you've seen air balls, you've seen block shots from OKC, like they really locked down, and then you know you got your best player getting to the line getting free throws. They took the momentimum away from Indiana in that fourth quarter. Man, they seemed like the edges went out in that building. But I agree with torn I thought I thought Indiana played well enough to win. They just got out played in the fourth corner. It was Tito taa from the first, second, third, and then the fourth you get out scored like that.

Yeah, okay, you can't. You can't beat them like that.

Yeah, okay, you can't. You can't beat them like that.

But you remember, guys, if we go back and look at Indiana this entire postseason and clutch situation, they've been great. Look at them when they played the Cavs, they were great. Look at them when they played the Knicks, they've been great. And even the first two games when the games were closed, Game one, game three, look at how they prevailed tonight. I thought they you know, and fourteen OKC had tennisists. Let us think it we were twelve was the last time you ever played on the team that in the NBA game only had tennisists in forty eight minutes, your MVP your started.

But you remember, guys, if we go back and look at Indiana this entire postseason and clutch situation, they've been great. Look at them when they played the Cavs, they were great. Look at them when they played the Knicks, they've been great. And even the first two games when the games were closed, Game one, game three, look at how they prevailed tonight. I thought they you know, and fourteen OKC had tennisists. Let us think it we were twelve was the last time you ever played on the team that in the NBA game only had tennisists in forty eight minutes, your MVP your started.

Didn't even have He didn't have a assists.

Didn't even have He didn't have a assists.

Yeah he did, you know, And go back to what I said, though, Shannon, this guy is god time.

Yeah he did, you know, And go back to what I said, though, Shannon, this guy is god time.

This ain't about the others. Ain't about to passing.

This ain't about the others. Ain't about to passing.

Huh No, It's about It's about the MVP who we talk about the fourth course, who took control the game. It's the reason why he got the reward. It's a reason why we we named them the MVP of the NBA. It's because he has the ability to close the game out. When I think about Indiana, I don't know. And I don't get me wrong. I love Lumber, I love Titler. I think he's great. He's a great player. He's played great. Well, you're talking about close it out and have that mentality. It's a little different when you're the MVP and he separated himself tonight. Are we okay in an NBA Finals game with seventy one free throw attempts? That's wow, that's a great question. Actually I'm not. This is my personal opinion. I think that you know, you know at some point, especially at this level, and the way these two teams play, that both teams get up and down, they run, they're not necessarily considering playing for the free throw line. This is not a grinded out series. This is two teams that want to play one fifteen one twenty.

Huh No, It's about It's about the MVP who we talk about the fourth course, who took control the game. It's the reason why he got the reward. It's a reason why we we named them the MVP of the NBA. It's because he has the ability to close the game out. When I think about Indiana, I don't know. And I don't get me wrong. I love Lumber, I love Titler. I think he's great. He's a great player. He's played great. Well, you're talking about close it out and have that mentality. It's a little different when you're the MVP and he separated himself tonight. Are we okay in an NBA Finals game with seventy one free throw attempts? That's wow, that's a great question. Actually I'm not. This is my personal opinion. I think that you know, you know at some point, especially at this level, and the way these two teams play, that both teams get up and down, they run, they're not necessarily considering playing for the free throw line. This is not a grinded out series. This is two teams that want to play one fifteen one twenty.

So this is a game.

So this is a game.

This is actually great for the referees because they don't really have to get involved because both of these teams like to get up and down and play the fast pace. So it is something to think about. I mean, I didn't look at that number. I'm glad you brought that stet up. I didn't think about that, But that's something really to think about because these two teams don't really want to play in the nineties. They want to play one fifteen one twenty if they can, so they're not worried about the foul call. They want to get up and down. So that's a great point. They go OKC had twelve offensive rebounds, chat Hogrid had four, Hartenstein had three. They so the two Bigs had seven of the twelve offensive rebounds. Indiana only had seven offensive rebounds. They beat them by ten. They were plus ten in the rebounding margin. They did a great job. They did a better job of taking care of the basketball tonight, okay see, okay, se had gotten You know, they were starting.

This is actually great for the referees because they don't really have to get involved because both of these teams like to get up and down and play the fast pace. So it is something to think about. I mean, I didn't look at that number. I'm glad you brought that stet up. I didn't think about that, But that's something really to think about because these two teams don't really want to play in the nineties. They want to play one fifteen one twenty if they can, so they're not worried about the foul call. They want to get up and down. So that's a great point. They go OKC had twelve offensive rebounds, chat Hogrid had four, Hartenstein had three. They so the two Bigs had seven of the twelve offensive rebounds. Indiana only had seven offensive rebounds. They beat them by ten. They were plus ten in the rebounding margin. They did a great job. They did a better job of taking care of the basketball tonight, okay see, okay, se had gotten You know, they were starting.

To turn the ball over, and they really do a great job of turning all over.

To turn the ball over, and they really do a great job of turning all over.

Jaylen Williams had four, but for the most part, you know, Shaye only had two. Lou Dort had one, Honger and had one, so then it really turned. They did a great job of protecting the ball. But when you look at them, they shoot you let okay see, okay see shoot forty seven, forty eight in one game. I think they were like fifty percent from the floor. You gonna catch hell beating them because it's because they put so much pressure on you.

Jaylen Williams had four, but for the most part, you know, Shaye only had two. Lou Dort had one, Honger and had one, so then it really turned. They did a great job of protecting the ball. But when you look at them, they shoot you let okay see, okay see shoot forty seven, forty eight in one game. I think they were like fifty percent from the floor. You gonna catch hell beating them because it's because they put so much pressure on you.

The likelihood of you shooting fifty percent. Now we showed it.

The likelihood of you shooting fifty percent. Now we showed it.

I think we saw the other night in game three, I think they shot fifty percent.

I think we saw the other night in game three, I think they shot fifty percent.

But okay, see, do a great job with all those wing defended.

But okay, see, do a great job with all those wing defended.

When you got Jaylen Williams, you got lou Dort, you got Caruso, you got Wigged, you got Wallace, you got guys that can.

When you got Jaylen Williams, you got lou Dort, you got Caruso, you got Wigged, you got Wallace, you got guys that can.

Defend multiple, multiple possessions.

Defend multiple, multiple possessions.

So in other words, hey we can slide hey close out here, he give it up close out there, so you're gonna have to be on your best behavior. I just thought Indiana panic a little bit. They started shooting some shots that they wouldn't normally take guys in the fourth quarter because I think they can feel the movemental start to slip, and everybody wanted to be that guy to hit that big three, to quitible metal, to put us back, to put us back in. Like, hey, everybody's looking at hell. They moment talk about age the Steph Curry, we good eight. Don't worry about me, don't like step in it in the Olympics, don't worry about me.

So in other words, hey we can slide hey close out here, he give it up close out there, so you're gonna have to be on your best behavior. I just thought Indiana panic a little bit. They started shooting some shots that they wouldn't normally take guys in the fourth quarter because I think they can feel the movemental start to slip, and everybody wanted to be that guy to hit that big three, to quitible metal, to put us back, to put us back in. Like, hey, everybody's looking at hell. They moment talk about age the Steph Curry, we good eight. Don't worry about me, don't like step in it in the Olympics, don't worry about me.

I'm okay, hey, and it got it got away from.

I'm okay, hey, and it got it got away from.

Them for me, it might have. He might have got away from uncle. But I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna go. I told you how to see I was gonna go. I told you how well before it even started. I told you at this point, at four games, it would be too to Joe, you owe me some money. Nah, right now, I'm giving you the opportunity. I'm giving you the opportunity, Joe. I'm giving you the opportunities well to change your decision on who you have with in the finals.

Them for me, it might have. He might have got away from uncle. But I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna go. I told you how to see I was gonna go. I told you how well before it even started. I told you at this point, at four games, it would be too to Joe, you owe me some money. Nah, right now, I'm giving you the opportunity. I'm giving you the opportunity, Joe. I'm giving you the opportunities well to change your decision on who you have with in the finals.

Man, you got Chill, you got Joe, you got you got Chailly touring o Joe. When you look at OKC, for me, I love the fact that they didn't settle for the three. They shot seventeen threes, they made three of them. They was getting to the cup. They was putting the onus on the riff. You look at the pacers that they doubled them in three point attempts, you know what I mean?

Man, you got Chill, you got Joe, you got you got Chailly touring o Joe. When you look at OKC, for me, I love the fact that they didn't settle for the three. They shot seventeen threes, they made three of them. They was getting to the cup. They was putting the onus on the riff. You look at the pacers that they doubled them in three point attempts, you know what I mean?

Like them guys was putting their head down for.

Like them guys was putting their head down for.

OKC getting to the cup, making plays and for whatever reason, uh, it just wasn't much resistance there. I thought nim Hart, I thought he played great man for three quarters against Shaye.

OKC getting to the cup, making plays and for whatever reason, uh, it just wasn't much resistance there. I thought nim Hart, I thought he played great man for three quarters against Shaye.

The way he guarded them, yep, I agree. Look Shaye a couple of.

The way he guarded them, yep, I agree. Look Shaye a couple of.

Times he was like, man, y'all gonna bring that thing up. I'm gonna get down in position hey, because that boy was on his back pockets. Man, he wasn't letting him breathe I'm talking about busting through picks, just making him work.

Times he was like, man, y'all gonna bring that thing up. I'm gonna get down in position hey, because that boy was on his back pockets. Man, he wasn't letting him breathe I'm talking about busting through picks, just making him work.

You want to tire him out.

You want to tire him out.

And like I said, I think when he caught his second win because he got tired early, you know, he was able to withstanding that and uh, and put his stamp on the game.

And like I said, I think when he caught his second win because he got tired early, you know, he was able to withstanding that and uh, and put his stamp on the game.

Lay in that four quarter. You know what too, Joe, I'm gonna add this.

Lay in that four quarter. You know what too, Joe, I'm gonna add this.

And I think sometimes as coaches, and I'm these coaches get this thinge like you just talking about them are playing great defense. Sometimes you gotta respect who the MVP is. Yeah, I'm tired of I'm watching these games now. The only thing I cann't like. And we saw this and we've watched basketball our whole life, all of us have. Now somebody else got it beat me. I'm telled that we should we shouldn't get coming on these shows talking about Shade beat us. Now we know you know them guys are great, but when you gonna send a double, well, we're gonna make somebody else beat us.

And I think sometimes as coaches, and I'm these coaches get this thinge like you just talking about them are playing great defense. Sometimes you gotta respect who the MVP is. Yeah, I'm tired of I'm watching these games now. The only thing I cann't like. And we saw this and we've watched basketball our whole life, all of us have. Now somebody else got it beat me. I'm telled that we should we shouldn't get coming on these shows talking about Shade beat us. Now we know you know them guys are great, but when you gonna send a double, well, we're gonna make somebody else beat us.

That's the thing I got a problem with.

That's the thing I got a problem with.

Listen, all these coaches making four, five, ten, twelve, thirteen million dollars, we firing t hims, We're doing all these things to coach. But sometimes man as a coach, respect the player, respect that this guy's skills say he's the MVP for a reason. So if I'm gonna lose as a coach, and I'm not the brightest guy that never coached before in my life. But I played this game my whole life. I'm gonna make somebody else beat me. I'm just gonna just live and die. One thing I know. It's a Chicago Bulls fan. It's a couple of great shots that I always remember that Steve Kirk making a three point shot against Utah bj Armshaw making big shots. You know why, because Michael Jordan got double team and he made the right play. That's what we used to criticize Lebron and James. I Shay, I know you loved le Bron. Wish to criticize Lebron James for not taking those shots. He always made the right play. Sometimes force these superstars to make the right play. That's the problem. I can't just keep I'm not gonna let Shape beat me. I'm not gonna go home at night and know that I let Shade beat me in.

Listen, all these coaches making four, five, ten, twelve, thirteen million dollars, we firing t hims, We're doing all these things to coach. But sometimes man as a coach, respect the player, respect that this guy's skills say he's the MVP for a reason. So if I'm gonna lose as a coach, and I'm not the brightest guy that never coached before in my life. But I played this game my whole life. I'm gonna make somebody else beat me. I'm just gonna just live and die. One thing I know. It's a Chicago Bulls fan. It's a couple of great shots that I always remember that Steve Kirk making a three point shot against Utah bj Armshaw making big shots. You know why, because Michael Jordan got double team and he made the right play. That's what we used to criticize Lebron and James. I Shay, I know you loved le Bron. Wish to criticize Lebron James for not taking those shots. He always made the right play. Sometimes force these superstars to make the right play. That's the problem. I can't just keep I'm not gonna let Shape beat me. I'm not gonna go home at night and know that I let Shade beat me in.

A one on one.

A one on one.

I sold well I could double team him or force somebody else to beat me.

I sold well I could double team him or force somebody else to beat me.

This is what we know. We say so many superstars.

This is what we know. We say so many superstars.

You guys know this that we give guys high praise because they made big shots and big moments. And not to go ahead Robert Horvey, but Harbar Urdy made about seven of them because you want a.

You guys know this that we give guys high praise because they made big shots and big moments. And not to go ahead Robert Horvey, but Harbar Urdy made about seven of them because you want a.

Double team shot.

Double team shot.

You want a double ting and Kobe, I'm gonna make this shot or dream or Kim Duncan if you let a got her as the guy. The guy got twenty, he got twenty. Shade had twenty four shot attempts and ten free throws. So you let so and Joe we talked about this, and know Joe, we were talking about this bro getting you see Game three, they trapped it did he tried to get in that picking roll that trapped to make him get a ball up. He turned it over. They got jump balls. Whatever the case may be. Stop letting him play one on one. The really every great player in the NBA, if you let him play one on one, they're gonna average thirty plus. You must, you must. It's like a great receiver. Oh Joe, you got the double it. I don't care how great your dB is. They're gonna hey, hey, he gonna get it.

You want a double ting and Kobe, I'm gonna make this shot or dream or Kim Duncan if you let a got her as the guy. The guy got twenty, he got twenty. Shade had twenty four shot attempts and ten free throws. So you let so and Joe we talked about this, and know Joe, we were talking about this bro getting you see Game three, they trapped it did he tried to get in that picking roll that trapped to make him get a ball up. He turned it over. They got jump balls. Whatever the case may be. Stop letting him play one on one. The really every great player in the NBA, if you let him play one on one, they're gonna average thirty plus. You must, you must. It's like a great receiver. Oh Joe, you got the double it. I don't care how great your dB is. They're gonna hey, hey, he gonna get it.

Now.

Now.

You keep PULLU and Poe. Oh man, we played what we played. That's that's what we do. Okay, what we do.

You keep PULLU and Poe. Oh man, we played what we played. That's that's what we do. Okay, what we do.

What we do. Gonna have your home, tim but man, and we were so close.

What we do. Gonna have your home, tim but man, and we were so close.

They ate. You just come back and get better next your hell, now a towring. And I agree with y'all sending the double. But here's one thing. You gotta take a look at where he's ioing from, which is at like the top of the key, kind of like a little bit of butter free throw line. That's a hard place to double. Man, that's a hard place to double. So when I see them getting him in his spots, that's pretty much where he operated from the night. You know, get a double there, you know you're giving up something easy. So I think Casey understood that, and the fact that Shaye didn't have an assist. He had it on his mind he was gonna play in that isolation and he was gonna get to his spots.

They ate. You just come back and get better next your hell, now a towring. And I agree with y'all sending the double. But here's one thing. You gotta take a look at where he's ioing from, which is at like the top of the key, kind of like a little bit of butter free throw line. That's a hard place to double. Man, that's a hard place to double. So when I see them getting him in his spots, that's pretty much where he operated from the night. You know, get a double there, you know you're giving up something easy. So I think Casey understood that, and the fact that Shaye didn't have an assist. He had it on his mind he was gonna play in that isolation and he was gonna get to his spots.

Toe.

Toe.

Look he taking them, He taking them bumps in the mid posts, and he's still on balance making them tough shots.

Look he taking them, He taking them bumps in the mid posts, and he's still on balance making them tough shots.

Man.

Man.

He made a lot of tough baskets to night. So you can't think about it, Joe, we too too. Now they're going through this thing too too. So the strategy you just talked about, which is right, and you're right, he's getting in the sweet spot where he can still score the basketball. But guess what I'm gonna do. Let me see if these other guys can make this shot. Let me just trup one game. Let me just trup one up to two doing it that way. Let me see if these guys can make it. Let me see if a guy can step up and make it. Every you throw this, Joe, everybody ready for that that that kool aid may not get no sugar in a right down at the time that kool aid.

He made a lot of tough baskets to night. So you can't think about it, Joe, we too too. Now they're going through this thing too too. So the strategy you just talked about, which is right, and you're right, he's getting in the sweet spot where he can still score the basketball. But guess what I'm gonna do. Let me see if these other guys can make this shot. Let me just trup one game. Let me just trup one up to two doing it that way. Let me see if these guys can make it. Let me see if a guy can step up and make it. Every you throw this, Joe, everybody ready for that that that kool aid may not get no sugar in a right down at the time that kool aid.

Don't go on there?

Don't go on there?

Did that kool aid got put some sugar in a be a little bitter? All them guys have ready to take them shots.

Did that kool aid got put some sugar in a be a little bitter? All them guys have ready to take them shots.

Now, God love him, says You're absolutely right, O Joe.

Now, God love him, says You're absolutely right, O Joe.

You look at the man had twenty four shots and no and no free throw and no as so you knew early on with a y'all better get it off the glass.

You look at the man had twenty four shots and no and no free throw and no as so you knew early on with a y'all better get it off the glass.

You want to shot, get it off the glass. Because I ain't passing.

You want to shot, get it off the glass. Because I ain't passing.

Listening, I was gonna ask you, right, so think about this with the paces right when it comes to trapping. When it comes to trapping, GA that the mounting energy you have to exert to trap him, whether it be at half for it, whether it be at the top of the key, depending.

Listening, I was gonna ask you, right, so think about this with the paces right when it comes to trapping. When it comes to trapping, GA that the mounting energy you have to exert to trap him, whether it be at half for it, whether it be at the top of the key, depending.

On where he is on the court, does it hurt them?

On where he is on the court, does it hurt them?

The paces on the office and exert that much any energy defensively in just one player as opposed to let him.

The paces on the office and exert that much any energy defensively in just one player as opposed to let him.

Do what he does.

Do what he does.

Nah. Only reason why not because they scored by they random into you absolutely commit. They're a random team, so they're not necessarily It's not like you using that's this hypotheta saying Kobe Brown and Michael Jordan and Lombron James and those guys are running around trapping. You're talking about a team that's that's random anyway offensively, So why not double them? I just say, let's try something else. I just I can't feel comfortable if I'm an Indiana Pacers coach, if I'm a player knowing that we left shape beat us and I'm not taking anything away from the other guys. But he can't dictate this pace all the way through. We watched Joker do this back to back two years in a row, try to dictate the pace, dictate everything. I'm not letting one guy dictate the pace on me. I'm gonna double make somebody else beat me. That's what the playoffs, that's what certain guys have made heroes, Guys that we talk about. The sixth, seventh, eighth gall of Team, we we always talking about them. I've been a Chicago guy affair. I would say I wanted time, but I remember Steve Kurrk, John Packson, you know, Horse Grant be on one and ten Luke Low because those guys had to make big shots and make big plays. I agree because Michael Jordan got double team. Michael still got his thirty and forty had his moments. But those why remember those guys, their household names of Chicago, me living in here. People loved them to death because they made big shots in these moments. I gotta make if I'm gonna lose, to feel good going home in the summer, I gotta be like, hey, that that second, you know it. Those other guys beat me. We did the best job we could do on Shae get because Alexander Andiana just like that, giving them. They can't coned you too. You can't have both. I gotta make you can't. They got go ahead, Joe, give give. We gotta give Rick Carlis some credit, dude, guys, because he's made adjustments. When we said, hey, look man, you gotta switch up that pick and roll defense, he did that turnshe over had him a little flustered in Game three, and you know they was able to pull the pull the game out. I think come down game five, Yeah to one. Like y'all said, I think he will start sending a double. Even if he isolated the top, they may just send another guy. But I'm sure you know, Rick Carli has been great throughout this postseason. I can see him making that adjustment right there just to where Okay, if he get it in this sweet spot, if he about to go, he put it on the floor.

Nah. Only reason why not because they scored by they random into you absolutely commit. They're a random team, so they're not necessarily It's not like you using that's this hypotheta saying Kobe Brown and Michael Jordan and Lombron James and those guys are running around trapping. You're talking about a team that's that's random anyway offensively, So why not double them? I just say, let's try something else. I just I can't feel comfortable if I'm an Indiana Pacers coach, if I'm a player knowing that we left shape beat us and I'm not taking anything away from the other guys. But he can't dictate this pace all the way through. We watched Joker do this back to back two years in a row, try to dictate the pace, dictate everything. I'm not letting one guy dictate the pace on me. I'm gonna double make somebody else beat me. That's what the playoffs, that's what certain guys have made heroes, Guys that we talk about. The sixth, seventh, eighth gall of Team, we we always talking about them. I've been a Chicago guy affair. I would say I wanted time, but I remember Steve Kurrk, John Packson, you know, Horse Grant be on one and ten Luke Low because those guys had to make big shots and make big plays. I agree because Michael Jordan got double team. Michael still got his thirty and forty had his moments. But those why remember those guys, their household names of Chicago, me living in here. People loved them to death because they made big shots in these moments. I gotta make if I'm gonna lose, to feel good going home in the summer, I gotta be like, hey, that that second, you know it. Those other guys beat me. We did the best job we could do on Shae get because Alexander Andiana just like that, giving them. They can't coned you too. You can't have both. I gotta make you can't. They got go ahead, Joe, give give. We gotta give Rick Carlis some credit, dude, guys, because he's made adjustments. When we said, hey, look man, you gotta switch up that pick and roll defense, he did that turnshe over had him a little flustered in Game three, and you know they was able to pull the pull the game out. I think come down game five, Yeah to one. Like y'all said, I think he will start sending a double. Even if he isolated the top, they may just send another guy. But I'm sure you know, Rick Carli has been great throughout this postseason. I can see him making that adjustment right there just to where Okay, if he get it in this sweet spot, if he about to go, he put it on the floor.

We coming, we coming.

We coming, we coming.

So I look forward to the Pacers making the make an adjustment in Game five, and because it's gonna be a tough ony.

So I look forward to the Pacers making the make an adjustment in Game five, and because it's gonna be a tough ony.

Ok see, man, they gonna be ready.

Ok see, man, they gonna be ready.

Yeah, And I think you know, Indiana had some breakdowns in the fourth quarter. You saw Check get a put back dump. They got a couple of putbacks in there because the rotation wasn't what it needed to be. And you have a lapse, and you know, you get fatigued or you see field the momentum slipping away. But you've got to stay focused. That's the thing about in sports. When the rubber needs to meet the roll. If it's late in the ball game, say the last five or six minutes in a football game, the last five minutes in a basketball game, or whatever the case may be, you've got the maintainer level of focus because a momentary slip could be the difference in winning and losing.

Yeah, And I think you know, Indiana had some breakdowns in the fourth quarter. You saw Check get a put back dump. They got a couple of putbacks in there because the rotation wasn't what it needed to be. And you have a lapse, and you know, you get fatigued or you see field the momentum slipping away. But you've got to stay focused. That's the thing about in sports. When the rubber needs to meet the roll. If it's late in the ball game, say the last five or six minutes in a football game, the last five minutes in a basketball game, or whatever the case may be, you've got the maintainer level of focus because a momentary slip could be the difference in winning and losing.

The ball game. And I thought Indiana had some lapses in that fourth quarter.

The ball game. And I thought Indiana had some lapses in that fourth quarter.

Late in the ball game, Check get a put back dunk, Caruso got a rebound. And but like I said, I thought Caruso to night, Caruso had his Mathroom moment like Mathron had his twenty seven and game three game, I thought Caruso was really the difference, especially early, like he didn't do a whole lot late, but earling the ball he was sensation. Hey, look, I ain't think Hartenstein played great, but he played well enough. Like we say, with that big line up, especially in their fourth quarter down the stretch, they got some easy extra second chance points.

Late in the ball game, Check get a put back dunk, Caruso got a rebound. And but like I said, I thought Caruso to night, Caruso had his Mathroom moment like Mathron had his twenty seven and game three game, I thought Caruso was really the difference, especially early, like he didn't do a whole lot late, but earling the ball he was sensation. Hey, look, I ain't think Hartenstein played great, but he played well enough. Like we say, with that big line up, especially in their fourth quarter down the stretch, they got some easy extra second chance points.

And that's what we was talking about.

And that's what we was talking about.

You play that small ball toe you don't get them, you don't get them extra them second chance points. I thought Hearnstein had a couple of tip back tip outs to where they tipped it back after where they got a second opportunity and they scored on them on them baskets. Yeah, my last thing I'm gonna add to Joe into this situation, just so you can hit me out on this. As a guy who played and we played it against the guy Dirt Nowinsky in the two thousands and in the finals of two thousand and six, it kind of reminds me of a you know, of a Shade and the way the team is kind of constructed as far as I.