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I think what you have is a tired old man who is less and less capable of doing things, whose wife and son both tell him you're doing great. His brother and his son have made a lot of money off the family name, and they have learned to be openly, cheerfully dishonest on the grounds that nobody will challenge them. To what extent do you believe anything, Joe Biden says? So Biden may tell you it's about legacy. I think it's about power, and we're asking Biden to quit being the most powerful person on the planet.
All Right, guys, it's unbelievable that we're here in July and this much is happening politically. We are under seven days from the start of the RNC the schedule. By the way, in the platform, I'm going to talk to you quickly about some of the updates they are released. Yesterday last evening, KJP having an absolute meltdown in the briefing room. Gosh, I feel so bad. Nope, and House Democrats met this morning. It wasn't good. They are now twelve days after this debate, trying to figure out how to handle the Biden situation. Where do we go from here? As a party unbelievable New Gingrich is going to be here to help us break down where things are historically and where they are politically, and where we move forward. Speaking of which, James Carvill has a brand new opet up in the New York Times. I'm going to talk to Speaker Gingrich about this. He says Biden's not going to be the nominee. I'm going to ask him about it. And then tomorrow, by the way, We've got a Democratic operative on the show, and I'm going to ask them are they comfortable with Joe Biden as the nominee? Do they think, as Carville does, that you've got to replace the guy now? And here's how he suggests you do it. I will ask her tomorrow. But the Democrats have a lot of answering to do about not just this campaign, but whether Biden should be governing for four more years. I think that's a legitimate question that's not getting asked. Let's get back to all of the issues that I was telling you about before we get into it with Speaker ging Gridge. The platform of the RNC got released yesterday and it's speaking of Gingridge, it's Contract with America Style twenty bowl In points unbelievable, right, and this is having drafted a couple of these have been part of that process. This is the smart way to do this, easy to understand themes, that people understand where you are, where you stand for, what you stand for. I think they got it right. Everyone's freaking out about the pro life language, and I think that Donald Trump's position on this, as you've seen, I'm as pro life as they come. I don't want a world in which babies are aborted. I want to promote life. The platform recognize this. It gets out there and everybody's worried because it doesn't call for a national ban anymore. Here's the problem. It's not that I'm not supportive of that. It's that it's unrealistic. You're not getting sixty seats in the Senate. It's just not going to happen. Okay. So President Trump has said this. We fought to overturn row, which sent it back to the States, and this is now happening state by state with voters input. That's how it should be, and I think we're doing it the right way. The platform focused on things like making us energy independent, securing the border, making us prosperous. And when you read this, I tweeted out the twenty points that they put together. It's digestible. It's something that if someone says, what does your party stand for? You can go boom. Here are the twenty points. Very contract with America. Like I said, it focuses on protecting seniors. Not everything in there I agree with. I'll be honest with you, that's not what it's for. It's not meant to get everybody on the world. But if you can get eighty percent, isn't that what Reagan said? Okay, I'm hired eighty percent, don't get me wrong, But I'm just saying I think that the way that they handled it the cycle was a lot better. And then they announced the programming for the convention. It's four days, as you know, so Monday is going to be make America Wealthy once again. Tuesday is going to be make America Safe once again. Wednesday, make America Strong once again, Thursday, make America great once again. You notice the once again, right, harkening back to the four years that Trump had in office. That's a key part of this. The current schedule historically is that the VP will make their speech Wednesday night, and Trump will accept the nomination on Thursday night. This is gonna be a big difference than the DEM convention, right in the sense that Biden's got to accept that nomination virtually throw a roll call prior to his speech because the dummies don't own a calendar and forgot when the Ohio ballot deadline was. Now they forgot it in Alabama as well, but the Alabama state Legislature are extending it for them, which I think was kind of silly, but whatever, So this is going to be a really great week. I think Trump talked about it a little last night on an interview that he had with Sean Hannity. I guess that Thursday Friday, right in there before the convention, like this week, he will announce that VP nominee. He's not going to wait. He wants them to get some excitement and get going be able to obviously, you know, becoming the nominee takes a minute, right, you want to draft this your speech and get your thoughts together. So I think that's what's going to happen. As I said, the fallout from the debate continues, but now it's shifting into this medical issue over the weekend, the New York Times and The New York Post revealed that this doctor, doctor Kinnard, who's a neurologist that specializes in Parkinson's, visited the White House eight times. The New York Post revealed meetings in which the president's personal doctor, Kevin O'Connor was in meetings with him and an unknown person. While who's that unknown person? Gosh, who would possibly not need to get waved into a meeting? Hmm? Who else would be living at the White House anyway? I digressed. I want to play you a clip from the briefing room, because everyone this morning you're like, wow, KJP whatever. I'm like, this is what it was like every day for me. I'm sorry that she's losing the press. These are her buddies. She's like, hey, guys, remember I used to work with some of you at CNN or on SBC wherever she was. Yeah, she was at MSS. I think right. She's like, here're my buddies. My old partner was at CNN. We're all in the family, right. Why are you getting so hard? She literally said Ed O'Keefe of CBS News, who's basically a scribe for the Democratic Party. I mean, he's the guy that asked him about his feelings and ice cream and all that. He literally, that's the guy that's She was like, Ed, you're disrespecting me? Are you kidding me? They have legitimate questions about why Dilkinson's doctor is visiting the White House eight times and she's giving this word salad about you know, remember the last time and I talked about it from here and we talked to me whatever, I want to play you this clip.
Though, Ed, I also said to you for security reasons, we cannot share names. We cannot share names.
Can we have to? We have to others he would have met with. We can't share names. In regards to if someone came here.
We cannot share We cannot share names of specialists broadly, from a dermatologist to a neurologists. We cannot share names.
Okay, just pause for a second. Do you want to know why we know doctor Canard's name because it's in a public log. It's in a public log they released that there's no security issue here. The only reason we know it is because he got waived into the White House on a log that is released of the visitors that's pretty public. There's no secure already issue. Now is there a hippa issue, a health issue of revealing who he saw? Yes, And that's why she's asking being asked, did he meet with the president? Now? I want to play you her go on about this is the slide of hand. This is where if you've never worked in the White House, and this is why what I bring to the table is so valuable. She's trying to make it seem like, oh, he could have been seeing anyone. Here's her talking about the military piece of this.
I understand that I hear you. I hear you. I cannot from here confirm any of that because we have to keep their privacy. What do you missed about? Are he just asked about what do you And then every time I come back and I answer the question that you guys asked to come back, and I never answered the question incorrectly. That is not true. I was asked about a medical exam. I was asked about a physical that was in the line of question that I answered, and I said, no, he did not have a medical exam. And I still stand that by that by of fact, the President still stands by that he had a verbal check in. That is something that the president has a couple times week a couple times a.
Week now, doctor Kevin Cannard, and I.
Am telling you right now that I am not sharing confirming names from here. It is the security reasons. I am not going to do that.
Ed all right, this is silly, This is absolutely ridiculous. But she goes on and I want to play this clip for you real quick, where she talks about the fact that that doctor Canard, that specialist could be there to see thousands of people from the White House here it is.
Confirm whether or not the President is pretty specialists. And you mentioned three times to the visitor log show duration of eight very much. I think that is the clubs of the 's. But I also said, I also said there are thousands of military personnel that come to the White House and they are under the care of the medical unit.
They are Okay, now, that's just not true. That is not true the White House. Military folks that are there don't get there, you know, beyond like an emergency. If they have a routine appointment, they go to Walter Reed, they go to another military facility. They don't get their primary care or their specialty care at the White House. One hundred percent faults. Not true. Now, I know most of the press corps doesn't know that I'm not ragging on I'm actually that's a legitimate thing that they wouldn't know I do. I work there. That's not how it works. And she's pretending like this specialist, this highly credentialed Parkinson's specialist, somehow is treating random and listed folks in the White House Military Office that we can't we don't want to disclose there. That's not true, not true. That's not how it works. And the White House Press Office was misleading people when it tried to pretend that somehow all of these individuals in the military that work in and out of the White House get their care there, especially their specialty care. Not true. All right, before I bring in speaker Nuke Gingrich, who, by the way, has got a great substack at Gingrich three sixty. You can go to gingerstree sixty dot com to check it out. A great podcast, nuts World, check all that out. All right, let me bring in speaker new Gingrich. Well, mister speaker, how are you? A very boring time in politics, isn't it.
I've never seen anything like it, and I would say that includes the Nixon Watergate crisis. This is amazing it.
I mean, I feel like there's a bunch of people in Hollywood going I don't know that we could have ever gotten away with writing something like this, and now we're living through it.
It's a well, I think it's the total complexity. I mean, if it was it would be one thing, if Biden was really terrible and collapsed. But what we're watching is and I thought Brett Baer caught it perfectly when he said it's like the scene and The Godfather where they go to the mattresses. I mean, the Biden family has decided they're prepared to take everyone out if that's what it takes, but then they leave them.
Yeah. I want to break down several things, like I want to talk about just crisises in general, because I think you're hitting on something about how they haven't stemmed the bleeding. But I want to start with something that you quasi are familiar with this morning, but from the other side this morning, the how Democratic Caucus met down at their headquarters. They all as the Republicans do, and you're well aware of that, you know every week and so, but this is the angle that I want to take you from outside the meeting where a bunch of staffers from the NRCC, the National Republican Congression Committee, which obviously you're very familiar with, and they were holding these signs that said Joe Biden is unfit for office. Because obviously they a lot of media trying to pick off members as they went in. My contention is that this is a mistake for our side to be urging Biden to get out of the race. Let them do this. Why are we doing it? Because number one, why get in the way of them? But number two, and this is where I want you to either push back on me and tell me I'm wrong or tell me why I'm onto something. But I feel like I would rather play Biden in this game, if you will. We know him, We have every bit of OPO on him. The American people know him. Then at the X factor, right, probably Kamala Harris, maybe someone new. But why are we trying to urge him to get out? Let let this process play out? It benefits us. Am I right or am I wrong?
Well? I mean I think Trump was correct on Hannity when he said that he's convinced Biden's staying in right, when I've said all along. You know, first of all, if your alternative is the White House, Marine one Air Force, one Camp David, or bicycling and Delaware, why would you pick bicycling and Delaware. And it's clear that Jill feels strongly, Hunter feels strongly, and they're reinforcing Biden's natural stubbornness. So my working assumption is that he's probably not going to go anywhere. There was a day or two when I thought the avalanche might build. But here's the other thing. When Nixon stepped down, he had major Republican leaders saying they would vote to impeach him. In Biden's case, you would have to, I think, employ the twenty fifth Amendment, and it's not going to happen. And the Black Caucus is so strongly for Biden. Despite the opportunity for Kamala Harris to become the nominee, they have clearly indicated that they will, in fact, you know, go to the mattresses to fight for them. So my view would be the less we say, the more we allow it to roll out. And Trump has been remarkably disciplined for the last week, you know, and just let it roll out. Let the New York Times every other day write an attack piece. Let the Wall Street Journal every day write an attack piece, and let the Washington Post every third day write an attack and see how it plays out. Biden's not going to get any stronger, and probably, sadly, his mental condition is going to get worse and become visibly worse, which which I think anybody who's had an adult relative go through this kind of cognitive change can watch it with a sense of sympathy and sadness and really wonder why Jill's putting him through this.
Yeah, I think that's that's the concern a lot of people have. But here's what I don't get. This morning. James Carville, who you know, longstanding political operative, writes in the New York Times, and this is this. I want to read directly from this, so we're not mincing words. He says, mark my words. Joe Biden is not going to be is going is going to be out of the twenty twenty four presidential race ready, whether he is ready to admit it or not. His pleas on Monday to reressional Democrats for support will not unite the party behind him. Mister Biden is staying in the race, but it's only a matter of time before the Democratic pressure and public and private polling lead him to exit the race. The jig is up, and the sooner mister Biden and Democratic leaders accept this, the better we need to move forward. Now. I agree with you and your assessment, but what are we missing that James Carville isn't well.
I mean, first of all, Carville likes being a contrarian, and it doesn't hurt his speech business, and it doesn't hurt his long term reputation. Second, I think he had his mind. He has a dynamic vision that we're going to see more mistakes and that you know, day by day people are going to realize, you know, this guy couldn't possibly serve four years. I mean, I was shocked. I don't know. With Kliston and I were in Rome and we got up at like three o'clock in the morning to watch the debate, and I thought, from our side, if you know Biden made two or three mistakes in ninety minutes, that would be pretty good for our team. I was stunned and frankly felt bad about the total collapse of that debate. I've never seen anything like it, and I think that was a turning point because after a year of denying that he was getting weaker, the whole country realized that they've been lied to. And I think what Carvilo is gambling is that there's a trajectory of decline and that that trajectory accelerates, and that you're going to see more examples of Biden not being capable. It would be president, not such a question of whinning are losing not being cap of being president?
So right, but that's what I think we all see. This is not a one off. It wasn't a bad night, it wasn't a cold, it wasn't jetlag. The reality is you get older and those conditions exacerbate. So Carvo gets it. I think he understands that it's not going to get better for Biden. But the political reality is that, you know, as Trump said on handity last night, Biden has the delegates, he gets to decide, and he has no sign of going anywhere. And that's where I think, you know, I just I get it. And you brought this up before. Is he making a mistake listening entirely to Jill and Hunter as opposed to trusted as you've been in these big decisions before right, who do you listen to?
Look? And first of all, there are pretty good arguments that if you have his kind of cognitive problems, you don't listen to many people, if anyone, if anyone, and that there's a pattern of people, as they get older, getting more stubborn and rejecting information that doesn't please them. So you have that problem. You also have a really simple question here, and I've said this for about eight months now, he has no upside leaving. I mean, first of all, if he announces that because he's so fragile he can't run for reelection, that immediately asked the question, well, then shouldn't you step down? How can you say as president for the next six months if you're too fragile to be in a campaign. So there's there's where they've now found themselves. There's no good outcome. I think it's how I would describe it. And if you're Biden, what's the you know, you're sitting in the White House, surrounded by your wife and your son. What's the genuine pressure for way to do anything?
Well? Isn't it legacy? I Mean I've always ared that Biden's legacy is all of these people He's appointed Pete Boodage, you know Keatanji Brown Jackson that he wants to be seen as the progressive north Star. That said, I put the first lbgt QIA, these three PO five two six in office. I did this as part of my cabinet. I appointed this black woman, this transgender person, and that by maybe handing the mantle off to the first female black nominee, that would be seen as the Biden legacy. I did this. I created this environment to your point. I mean, I think if he loses to Trump, which there's no way he doesn't right now, and he goes down epically, that will be his legacy. And I think that Biden is more concerned. You know, he always talks about my word as a Biden and everything's about the Biden legacy and my uncle this and Joey that. I think he's really concerned more about legacy than accomplishment.
First of all, to what extent do you believe anything Joe Biden says. So Biden may tell you it's aboutgacy. I think it's about power, and we're asking Biden to quit being the most powerful person on the planet. The Bidens have been grifters ever since he first won, They've had all sorts of deals in Delaware. His brother and his son have made a lot of money off the family name, and they have learned to be openly, cheerfully dishonest on the grounds that nobody will challenge them, and so they just say whatever they want to say. And in Biden's case, he says all sorts of stuff and has always said all sorts of stuff that makes no sense. So if you said to him, doesn't your legacy really matter? He said, oh, yes, you know, the Biden name is really important to me. If you said to him, well, that means you should get give up, he would say, no, No, the Biden legacy has never given him. Biden's are never acquitters. And what he'll tell you is what he thinks he has. You know, he's a little bit like a clumsy and not very bright version of Bill Clinton. I mean Clinton Clinton has, as you know, has this marvelous capacity to look you in the eye, tell you that it's Christmas. And by the time he's done talking to you, you're looking for the missiletone and you know it's all a lie, you know it's just but he does it so well that you kind of you kind of like being part of the dance. Well, Biden has the same characteristic of dishonesty as Bill, but he has none of the skills. And so in the end, I think what you have is a tired old man who is less and less capable of doing things, whose wife and son both tell him you're doing great. And most of his senior staff, who remember their power and their money come from being his people. So most of them are saying, we can get there. You came from behind, you know how to do this. We can beat Trump, and nobody else can. And frankly, I think as likely, as weak as he now is, I think he's probably the best chance the Democrats have. I just at a piece for Gingrish three sixty called collapsing with Kamalaw and I do think anybody else they try to put in at this stage is like to actually run worse than Biden.
So Biden's got you know, you get the family of the age, right, So he's got Jail and Hunter that He's got Mike Donohan and Steve Rochetti, Bruce Reid and Eda donn know. But you have your Joe Gailord, the person that's been around you forever, giving you political Joe Gailard comes to you one day and says, is that the kind of person in your experience that you go, you know what if Joe says it? Or do you say you know what, Joe, I'm going to go talk to Callista instead. Like from your you've been at the highest levels. Who is it that you would have respected that comes to you and says, mister speaker, the jig is up. We gotta go. Do you do you? Is it the political people, the family, the combination.
I mean, I can't speak for everybody. I think in a situation where it's literally a political life and death, if you have a good relationship with your spouse, they count a lot. Nancy Reagan had huge influence over Ronnie, and nobody should be confused about that. Now. Conversely, I don't think that Mamie Eisenhower at the same level they were. She and Ike had a very affectionate relationship, but they had a pretty severe distinction between his job as a general or his job as a president and their personal relationship. So I think Nixon had great affection for par and in many ways listen to Pat and they endured Watergate together. You know, I think Frank frankly that the Carters were very, very much one unit. And I think that she had as much influence on Jimmy as anybody, so that it partly depends. But here you've got a guy. I remember also when you get to be his age, and for example, you're a little worried walking up and downstairs because falling really is a significant problem. At his age, the person you most rely on is Jill. Well, that creates a sense of dependency. And so she says as the person who's closest to him, the person who protects him, she's telling him positive things. I mean, I think if she was saying to him, why don't you drop out for your legacy, that might be a different conversation. But she's telling him what he wants to hear. You're doing great. Rememb remember that whole scene after the debate.
You answered every question, Joe.
Yeah, I mean it was. And then I don't know if you picked up on it, but I thought, when she turns and she says, and what did Trump do? He lied? The way she yelled lied reminded me immediately of Governor Dean in Iowa in the primary.
The Dean scream, we're going up in New Hampshire. We're going Iowa, whoa.
Yeah, Now she had some of that you know, over the top kind of this is really we're really positive, we're really not giving in.
I want to I want to go back to the post debate fallout right, and this is where I want to tap into to your expertise from a crisis communications standpoint. I felt like they acknowledged that a bad night that night, I mean, Kamala comes on air and say, as you know, it wasn't the best night, but three and a half years, good talking points, whatever, and then they let this time go by, like literally, we're here at day twelve and they're still worried about members of Congress. I cannot believe based on what you and I both agree, the outcome is that Joe Biden digs in, stays his denominee. The idea that rank and file and even committee chairman on the House side, on the Democratic House side, are coming out now twelve days later. I don't get that. Politically. I get the day after or whatever saying hey, I have a problem here, but why would you wait twelve days, ten days? As a rank and file member, that to me seems like, Wow, you're cutting off your political future real quick.
Well, I think first of all, my impression is that they didn't believe it was as bad as it was. So I think the first reaction of the White House was sort of what they've said, we had a bad night, and they didn't realize that, No, they didn't have a bad night. They had a cataclysmic night. They had a night that changed the perception of one hundred million Americans. Second, because they didn't realize how bad it was, they didn't go to an auto to an immediate rescue operation, and it was only as the media began to pile on that they and when nobody was jumping up to defending. I think part of the lag was this was so much worse than they thought possible. Their campaign manager doesn't have the kind of authority that Susie Wiles and Chris Lsavita have for Trump, so they're not able to turn and they don't have a machine, you know. I think the Trump people could reach out in touch virtually every elected Republican within twelve hours. I think the Biden people literally weren't prepared for that kind of all out grassroots, get him back in line, talk to him, reassure him, and so it grew out of control. Now I think they're getting it back in control. And it's starting from their real base, which is the Black Caucus. And the fact that the Black Caucus is going to be militant, given its size in the Democratic Party, almost guarantees that an anti Biden rebellion can occurs successfully.
So put yourself back in the shoes. They met, as I said, this morning, as a caucus came Jeffries according to like playbook, and everyone else was going to be in listen mode. Should he be in lead mode? Right? Should he? And Pelosi, as the elders and the leaders that caucus be saying, guys, Biden's made it clear he's going to be the nominee. No more dissension among the ranks. We're all on board on this. Or should he be? I mean, it seems like there's a lack of Pelosi and he keep Jeffries trying to say to the flock, guys, get in line. And is that the right mover?
No, Well, I've always followed a model of listen, learn, help, and lead. So I would say you walk into a room, because here's what happens. You're dealing with independently elected people. This isn't like a cabinet where you appoint them when you fharro. They're independently elected. So if you try to be a cheerleader, what you can do is you can suppress them and they'll shut up. But that doesn't mean they've changed their mind. It just means they've decided they don't want to take you on. On the other hand, if you let everybody ventilate, everybody gets to say here's how I feel, here's how my district feels. First of all, you know that over half of them are going to say, my district wants Biden to stay. So you're gonna you gradually build a growing majority. You'll have a bunch of them who are waivering, and as they see where the boat is going, they'll decide to get on it. And then you'll have a small group that really does think this is hopeless. But they also begin to shut up because if in fact he is the inevitable nominee, and if in fact the party's going to unify around him, then it hurts their reelection to be seen as anti Biden. Right, And so I think that's probably the model they're trying to work off of.
So the big next evolution of this crisis was yesterday that press briefing unreal, but let's keep it in context. I think everybody I got a question this morning. Somebody said to me, did you you know?
What?
Did you think? Did you? I forgot how they phrase it, but my point was, oh my god, I dealt with that every day. I think Krinna has just never had to have somebody challenge her on something. The questions about the Parkinson's visit from the doctor what I mean, I feel like this is the real issue that they're screwing up now, is that they need to reassure yes, we all know he's getting older. Everybody knows that, because that's just that's just you know, life. The Parkinson's issue or another disease issue is where they've got to tread very carefully, because if there are concerns about some kind of debilitating disease, then they need to be out in front of this. I felt like yesterday was so in a just ill managed, unprofessional on Corin's part. She was not prepared for this, and it was into you know, the the New York Post and the New York Times. She should have come out and taken this head on, and the idea that doctor O'Connor is putting out a letter later that day does not instill a sense of confidence in the president's medical condition.
Look, I think this is the situation where if they can get a specialist who can say with honesty he has some limited cognitive problems, but I am confident that he can serve for the next four years as president and that this will not be permanently damaging, that's worth its weight in gold. Now, if in fact they can't get a doctor to say that, then this thing's never going to go away. And I think people people have not yet factored in we were shocked at how bad Biden was the night of the debate. We have not yet taken into account that. The real question here is are you willing to vote for this guy for four more years given what you've seen. That's a much different issue than can he get from here to January? And I think overwhelmingly even Democrats now when you look at polling data, do not believe he can serve four years.
I don't. I don't think that, And to your point, this is a sympathetic I don't want him not only is I mean, I look at this as the leader of the country, the leader of the free world, but then as a human being. I don't want somebody to have to deal with that and face it and personally, and I cannot believe that they're going through this. He's got two big hurdles the rest of the week the way I see this. Number One, you've got these NATO meetings, and the hurdle is not having leaks come out from leaders in their top eight saying he dozed off, he was incoherent, etc. And then secondly, what the White House themselves, unbelievably is branding a big boy press conference. If he doesn't get through both of these with a's, do you think that Friday morning we wake up and have a different conversation about the state of this race.
Yeah, I think, particularly if he has either a truly major mistake or if he melts down in the press conference. I mean, why you would take him through a major international meeting with twenty six other leaders and then turn around in the next day have an hour long press conference. That makes no sense at all. I remember years ago Bob Novak told me a story about pacing and politicians and said, that when Reagan became governor, he called Reagan's press guy and said, I'd like to come out and spend two or three days with the governor and then have a chance to really interview him in depth. And lin Na Seger said to him, you must think I'm crazy. You're going to get thirty minutes with me in the realm, that's it, because he understood that two or three even with the guys brilliant as Reagan, two or three days, you'll find five or six things that make him look bad and there's no end. You shouldn't voluntarily do that. So I would say, one, I don't know why they would scheduled on Thursday. Yeah, because he's probably going to be tired. I mean, and that's true of everybody. I mean. Reagan once fell asleep while talking with Pope John Paul the Second because it was his first trip to Europe and they hadn't set aside enough time for Reagan to rest before the meeting. And they learned from that all every future meeting after that had a time to recover and time to be totally fresh. Why you would take a guy who collapsed during a debate turn around have him do three heavy days, because remember, in between each NADO meeting, he's talking to Democrats. He's saying, I can run, I can do this, and so I mean he is on a treadmill. Why you would do that makes no sense to me.
But let's just play this out. If he has an episode, an incident, an issue, that press conference, what's the conversation we're having Friday morning.
Well, I think you then see a renewed sense that he has to go. And again, the real issue that hasn't been joined is not can he survive to election day? The real issue is if he won, can you imagine the guy you're watching serve four years as commander in chief and I think one or two more mistakes, you're going to be a ninety percent of the country saying no, yeah, I just And at that point, I think it's a little hard to see how they avoid having a real rebellion to get him off the ticket.
So, just to be clear, let's just place out for fun. If he were to step aside voluntarily, do you agree that Kamala Harris will be the nominee or do you see somebody else? The the Gavin Newsom, the Gretchen Whitmer, Josh Shapiro becoming the nominee.
I don't see, given the power structure of that party, how you push aside a black female vice president. I think you'd have a civil war, and I think you would have the most loyal and most militant part of the party go crazy. So my assumption is, and this is why I wrote my piece on collapsing with Kamala, because I think that when you really look at her record, and you really look at mean, you know she's the borders are and she's visited the border once in three and a half years. Just take item after item, and she is I think, much weaker than Biden. Once you're in a real campaign.
I do too. But here's what I would just throw at you. I keep using the baseball analogy, right Biden. If Biden is our batter, right now, we know every stat about and we know that he's never hit the ball when we pay, I mean, we know we're gonna win with Biden at the plate. Okay, That's how I look at this. Politically, Kamala gets up to bat if Biden has to take and she becomes the dh I worry that the dynamic has changed and that who knows. I mean, my point is I get all that the border, you name it, whatever, But suddenly maybe she fires up black women, maybe she fires up women in general. I don't know. But here's what I know. I don't want to deal with it. I want to deal with what I know, the nones, and I know we can beat Biden and that he loses the House in the Senate with him, I would, and so that's why I keep saying I worry about any effort on our side to push him because I believe that Kamala will lose. There's no question about it. For all the reasons that you enumerated. However, I just there's X factors and I don't like X factors.
Well, I think Donald Trump agrees with you. I mean, I think that's what he was saying on Hannity, that you know he is quite happy to have Joe Biden as his opponent.
Yeah, okay, Speaker Gingritch, I appreciate it. I know that you've got a cold, jet lag, a bad night.
Uh. Luckily I'm not running for president and this wasn't a debate.
That's a beat. I always appreciate your historical wisdom and insight political acumen. This is thank you for sharing and being so generous with your time. As always, good to be with you, all right, take care, all right, great conversation with Nuke Gingritch. And remember tomorrow, I've got a Democratic operative on the show that's going to answer this. Democrat James Carvill's op ed in the New York Times saying Biden's not going to be the nominee and here's how they can go about it. I want here a Democrat answer for that. Continue to subscribe, YouTube, Rumble, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, my Heart, wherever you get those podcasts. We'll see you back here tomorrow