Episode 685: Welfare Reform

Published Apr 17, 2024, 10:05 PM

Newt’s guest is Gianno Caldwell, a Fox News analyst and founder of a bipartisan consulting firm. He discusses his journey from growing up in poverty on the south side of Chicago to becoming a successful political strategist and author. Caldwell shares his experiences with the welfare system, his views on welfare reform, and his belief in the power of hard work and self-belief. He also discusses his role as a Republican strategist, his work with Fox News, and his efforts to combat violent crime following the murder of his brother. Caldwell's book, "Taken For Granted: How Conservatism Can Win Back the Americans That Liberalism Failed," is available on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere.

On this episode of Newts World. My Yes Today was born to a mother consumed by drugs and raised by his grandmother in poverty on the South Side of Chicago. He saw firsthand how lawmakers from both parties have failed African American voters on issues like poverty, welfare, and education. But as someone who beat the odds growing up under a fear based mentality that limits what people can achieve, he believes there's another way. He just recently provided congressional testimony to the House Ways and Means Committees Subcommittee on Work and Welfare the dignity of work lifting individuals out of poverty, and he is here to discuss welfare reform and how we need to revisit this critical issue. So I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, John O.

Caldwell.

He is a Fox News analyst, the founder or the bipartisan consulting firm based in Washington, DC that provides strategic advice in areas of public affairs and government relations. He's also the author of the book Taken for Granted, How Conservatism can win back the Americans that liberalism failed. And I think I'm as a good friend. We've worked together over the years, John Oh, welcome and thank you for joining me on Newts World.

Well, thank you for having me, and it is such an honor to always be with you as I think you've led groundbreaking change has helped many across the country, whether it be the black community, for a white community, or whatever it may be. You've been a change agent for good and I thank you for it.

Well, you know, in terms of change, you're a personal example. Can you take us back sort of to your childhood growing up on the South Side of Chicago, because there's just a lot about your personal voyage in life that's inspirational and that has a lot of lessons.

Well, thank you. So I grew up extremely poor. At times, we had the lights, the gas, and the water off all at the same time. My mom was addicted to drugs, as you mentioned, and we lived in a project until my grandmother. One day, who was a private duty nurse my mom mom came and she rescued us from the projects. So we began to live with her, and my grandmother had temporary custody of me and my siblings. And then one day she pulls out the garage and a drunk driver hits her apparently this same individual had hit some other folks earlier in the day, so he was an habitual drunk driver and injured her back. She had to go on and reduce schedule so she couldn't work her regular schedules. She worked overnights, and then ultimately she couldn't work any more. So from there we went from having a decent life, certainly better than what it was with my mom, to government checks begin to come again, this time not for my mom but for my grandmother. So that's when things begin to slide in a very negative way once again. But I'm thankful for God and his guidance which I believe brought me through.

Given that kind of background, you start volunteering at the local alderman's office at fourteen. What led you to go to the alderman's office and get involved as a volunteer.

You know what's interesting. My mom and dad were never married, but my dad would pick me up every Friday and he would take me to his dad's house on Fridays and on Saturdays, my grandfather would take me to work with him plumbing construction, small business. He would pay me ten dollars a day to hold the flashlight, hand tools, and he started me off very young. I was probably about eight years old when I started going on these jobs sites, maybe even younger. And he would show me what hard work, a day of hard work look like. And then he would get the check from the work and he would go and cash it and he would show me the money. You know, back on those days, a lot of the guys that were drug dealers, they would have this wad of cash that they would use the entice young people to come work for them and take on that lifestyle, because of course most people there were poor. But my grandfather wanted to show me another way, my grandfather James or Williams. So what ended up happening is at fourteen, we were riding through this area of Chicago called Inglewood, which is one of the hardest hit areas in terms of the drug and violence in the city of Chicago. And as we're riding in this red pickup truck, I look out the window to my right and I see a lady who appears drugged up and beat down, and it brought tears to minds because I thought it was my mother. So as we're riding along, I quickly wiped through tears because my grandfather is a Southern gentlemen, and he's you know, he's a tough guy, and he notices and he says, what's wrong with you, boy? And I say this lady. At this point, we're riding past her, and I realized it wasn't my mother, but it certainly could have been her. I said, what can I do to prevent this from happening? And he began to tell me about the power elected officials have to increase the penalty of law for those who are selling distribute drugs, and how they can provide grand funding for those who want to be rehabilitated. So I said, okay, I want to be an elected official. I want to know how the system works. And then after I learned a little bit more, within weeks, I'm volunteering from my local Automan's office because I thought that I can help save my mom. And that's really what it came down to. It became a mission out of one moment with my grandfather when he told me the power that elected officials will to create positive change in people's lives, like you did a Speaker of the House.

So you took this idealistic approach. You were a volunteer but then at sixteen, you get a part time job on the Social Security Administration, and I was sold that there was resistance even in your own family to you going out and getting a job and earning a paycheck.

That's absolutely right. Initially they were in favor of it, but when my grandmother saw that the money that I was earning could potentially impact the earnings for the house and perhaps the benefit, she then told me, you may have to quit your job. And I said, absolutely not. Why would I quit my job. I'm making more money than these checks they were receiving. That was just said. So then you know the realization of what sense does it make for a person to get off welfare if you can't actually earn for your family to create that stability to get off welfare, just like you did in a ninety six welfare reform where you had a two year process or two year tracked and a five year limit for those who were receiving benefits, and you know the benefits cliffed if you will, which is for those that may be listening and may not know, this is the amount of money that you can potentially earn before being cut off. So that cliff wasn't there in one time due to your reform, and you allow people to earn and you know, create stability in their lives and then lift people out of poverty. That was I think an exceptionally well done program which helped millions of people, and I know that we need to get back there to help change the trajectory of our country.

As a further example of what a remarkable young man you were, by the time you're eighteen years old, you decide you want to own property, and lessen a year later, you buy a multi unit apartment building. Walk us through this journey in your mind and in reality, what led you to decide you want to own property.

So interestingly enough, my pastor, I started going to a new church. And this was all on my own. I was really seeking God. I wanted to know the truth of God. And I grew up in a religious home. But it was a religious home that you didn't see the power, you didn't see the ramifications of what God could do. Now I started going to this pastor. Many of your listeners will know who he is. His name is doctor Bill Winston. He has a church in Forest Park, Illinois, and I mean, this guy is extraordinarily gifted and the message in which he delivers, and the fact that you should be able to when you're really connected with God, you should see that power change your life. It shouldn't be a religious I go to church every Sunday, but nothing changes in your life. God's power is supposed to literally transform you. It should transform everything around you, and by way of virtually connecting with that, it transforms the people around you because they can see the results. So this pastor would tell us things like, you know, the government shouldn't be taking care of you. We shouldn't be on welfare, we shouldn't be on government assistance. God is supposed to take care of you. He'll give you a vision of what to do and you'll do it and change your life. And he kept pumping that message in me and using a word of God itself that I all of a sudden wanted to go out and get involved in real estate. And it was a scripture that I used Joshua one to three every place that the solo your footshall tread upon that have I give it unto you? And I meditated on that word day and night, and I believed for a vision for real estate, and at that point, at nineteen, I had some savings, good credit. Eventually I figured out I had no credit at first, but then I used the word. I really got steps to what to do to put me in a place that I can own real estate. And I'll tell you. I had a realtor that I met with who ran my credit and say, oh, you have a zero credit score. I said, oh, you know, what do I do to change it? I use the word and I know it may sound crazy to people, but it really did help me. I transformed things in a short period of time. And then that's when I went out and I bought a multi unit apartment building. And I was the first person in my family to ever do something like this. I was the youngest one and I didn't have any family assistance. They didn't have any fortunes or anything that they can give me. No one co signed for me. It was all me. And I thank God for it every day because that was an example of what faith can do. And I know this isn't a faith podcast as a political one, but I think that there's someone that needs to hear that message. When you connect with God, he'll transform your whole life. And I really believe that new.

What is it that they saw in you that would lead them to allow you to buy a multi unit apartment building at nineteen.

Well, you know, we got the banks and those structures. But what they saw in me is less important than what I saw in myself. And what I saw in myself was a victor, not a victim. And what I saw in myself was somebody who has the propensity to be great and absolutely successful. And what I continue to see in myself is bigger vision than anyone can see for me. And it's a vision that I got from God, and it's a vision that continues to sustain me. So ultimately, I think people will compare themselves to other people and say, oh, well, you know we come from the same background. This person has this and I don't have that. No focus on your own journey, focus on what God is leading you to do, and you do it. You can't be distracted by what's going on around you. You have to be laser focused in order to get to that next level. And that can be just in a very natural way. You're looking for a job, or you're looking for a college to go into, or you're looking for a partnership of some sorts. You got to focus in on your stuff, not what everyone else is doing, because ultimately, what people tend to find out is when people seem like you know, some folks, they seem like they're doing so fantastically, some of it ends up not even being true. You know. It's like, you know, people create this image for social media and then you find out, oh, oh my god, none of that was actually true. That's why you got to stay laser focus on your race and your race alone.

So I want to come back to those person because I think your formula is frankly brilliant. When you talk to other people in situations that you recognize because you were once there, are you able to help them move from being a victim to being a victor in their own head. I think you're onto something that is so powerful and so important about how we turn this country around. And I'm just curious, do you actually talk to people about it? Do they get it?

Yes? I absolutely do. And you know, I'm going to tell you there's been a number of young folks that reach out to me on social media LinkedIn and my social media on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook is at Giano Caldwell. For those who may be interested at GIA and n Caldwell and they'll say, hey, I read about your story and your book taking for granted how conservatism can went back then Americans liberalism failed. Or I saw you on television, or I saw this article. This is what's going on with me. I need some advice. Now. Those folks who are willing to reach out and say those things, they already have something in them that's a bit of hunger. They want to know that there's possibilities to change. They want to be inspired. And then there's some people that you meet who may have had a similar story to yours growing up, and they have no idea that it's even possible for them. So they got to connect with that energy and be around people of a level of success that they can see that it may be potentially possible for them. There's multiple kinds of people on this journey, but the person has to want it. They have to want what comes with that. They have to know that I'm going to have to do work to get here. That's why I think about every individual on this planet has this thing within them that I call hidden ability. We happen to call it generally potential. What does it take to realize potential work productivity following some kind of vision. You know, you can be following the formula of someone else and seeing what they did, or it may be something brand new. And what I really connect to and the people that really connect to me is those who recognize that they want it for themselves. They want to change their lives, they want to change their family lives, and they're willing to do whatever's necessary to do it. So those are really the people that connect with me and are able to be inspired and take those next steps for themselves.

Given your views towards self help, the work ethic being positive. When you were first aware of politics, which party did you identify with and why?

Well, when I was first aware of politics, I identified with the Democratic Party because that was all that was in my community. So they made Republicans a big boogeyman. And if you're hearing the same things from your family, your external family, the teachers, the adults in a room, and you're a kid, what else are you supposed to believe? And of course you don't have any Republicans around in many of these inner cities to give a different vision of what that looks like. And I recall as a teenager at this point, I'm about eighteen years old or so. I was having a conversation with an African American gentleman on the corner and we were talking about politics, and I mentioned a lot of untruths about the Republican Party, some of the things that I heard in my community. They're races, they don't care about poor people, black people, etc. And this guy, who was a longtime Democrat, began to challenge me on my point of view. And I've never been challenged on my point of view when talking about Republicans, especially in those kind of communities. So he said things to me like, didn't you know the first Republicans in Congress were black conservatives? No, never heard that before. Did you know MLK was a Republican? No, never heard that before, and a number of other things. So whenever I'm challenged, I go research so I can have a stronger argument for later. And when I went home to research and I discovered the Republican Party was started in eighteen fifty four in opposition to the Kansas Nebraska, which wanted to expand slavery. I mean, I almost really just dropped to the floor, like, wait, this can't be true, because no one in my community has ever said anything like this. And then I did further research and I began to realize that I was a Republican. You know, these same values and belief systems that republic can traditionally have, I had them myself. And then I became depressed because I said, well, how can I be like one of them? They said, they're racist, they hate all these people, so how could I be like them? So it took me probably about a couple of months, maybe three months, as I went through this state of depression because everything that I saw began to make me realize more and more I am a conservative. And then at that point, I said, well forget it. I'm gonna go out and I'm just gonna, you know, let my truth speak in. I'm gonna tell you. When I told my family, they said, eh, you know, you just want to be white, or basically, we don't consider you to be family anymore since you're going in this direction. And that's how Democrats often keep the black community in this trap. We're gonna disown you, we're gonna talk down on you. You're no longer welcome to the cookout if you will, and it's been incredibly effective into the migrant crisis hit in Chicago. Now things are shifting years and honestly because of Donald Trump and his culture connection to the community which he has had for many, many years. I think things are beginning to shift and look quite differently, not necessarily in the media, the left leaning media, but internally in a black community. I believe things are shifting, big shift.

I noticed that one of your first really active roles as Republican was with the DuPage County Republicans in an African American outreach program, and that you also had served as director of government relations for Napierville Township. You've proved you're a Republican because you've actually lobbied for the reduction of the property tax rate for the whole township. There's a great success story.

Yes, So I got involved in DuPage County Republicans after reaching out to the Republican state Party chair on social media and they connected me with them over there, which is where I was living at that particular time. And I'll tell you my role. I've had a number of roles in the GOP. I was an elected precinct committeeman. I was the political action chair for the DuPage County young Republicans. I was active with the Chicago Republicans and DuPage County is a very important county, if you will. It was the second largest Republican county in the country, second only the Orange County at the time. And you know, like a lot of these counties have flipped, of course, but these particular roles which helped me inform my perspective even more about policy and how Republicans go out and engage supporters, etc. And I thought that there was a need for Republicans to really reach out to the black community in the meaningful way. And I'll tell you no one has done that like Donald Trump has, not a single one. And I know if we look at the polling right now, you'll see for this particular race twenty twenty four, Donald Trump looks like he they may get thirty percent of black men. Joe Biden's numbers are failing with the black community day in and day out. People are really upset with what's going on. But Donald Trump knows how to be in this particular community and build bridges. And it's my hope that you once he wins his race for president, the Republicans will take close notes and really build a bridge for black folks to join the party. There's a lot of conservative black people there. They just never call themselves Republicans, and they've never had Republicans go out and outreach to them in a meaningful way. That can shift with this election. New that can shift in a very big way. And I'm gonna tell you the truth, if it wasn't Donald Trump that was running, I'm not sure that we would necessarily see what we're seeing now in terms of the black support that he's gaining. So Republicans should be looking at this very carefully because we need to be able to maintain the party and be able to dominate in future beyond Donald Trump's presidential run.

What are the characteristics of Trump do you think other Republicans don't quite have?

I mean, just being willing to go out there. When I was coming up in the party, folks didn't want to do outreach to the black community because they were scared of being called the races. That's really what it came down to. They didn't want to say anything wrong, so they just stuck with what they knew. But Donald Trump said in twenty sixteen, I mean the schools are in trouble, You got crime everywhere. What do you have to lose? And it was such a true statement, even though many folks on the left said, hey, and in the media, well if we get you, we got a lot to lose. Well, you got Joe Biden in office right now, see what you're losing. In the state of Illinois. You got three hundred million that's been spent on migrants for twenty twenty four. They're putting us out another three hundred million. If they get more that comes in, this can quickly become a billion dollar issue. Meanwhile, you tell black folks every election you have no resources to tackle their issues. Sixty seven schools in the state of Illinois, including schools that are in Chicago, kids can't do math at proficient grade levels. Thirty eight schools in the state of Illinois kids can't read a proficient Not one single student in these schools can read at proficient grade levels. That's a problem. They need resources to correct these issues, but more importantly, they need leadership that actually cares about them accomplishing it versus getting them dependent on the check so they can vote for them every year.

Given your remarkable background, you then went on to develop your own lobbying firm. How did that happen? And Caldwell Strategic Consulting now is a freestanding company. How did you get to that point?

Well, interestingly enough, Newt, I went out to DC on a Mitt Romney campaign in twenty twelve. That's when I left Chicago and I worked on Capitol Hill. But I was a lobbyist before then, and I wanted to get involved in the federal lobbying space. But at that time, the Tea Party had took over Congress. Nothing was moving, There was no legislation that was really moving. I would meet with companies and they say, we love you, we love your experience, and I mean, my gosh, they loved the way I presented myself as well, but they say, we can't hire anybody because nothing's really moving in Congress right now. So what I ultimately had to decide is do I go back to Chicago or do I go and stand still and what I set out to do, And at that point I couldn't go back. I can't fail. I'm a big believer in what Thomas Edison has said. I've not failed. I found ten thousand ways that didn't work. I don't really believe in the concept of failure, because I think you need to gain something from every perceived failure that make you stronger for the next attempt out, whatever that may look like, or it may be a brand new path altogether that you didn't anticipate. So I decided that I was going to start my own lobbying firm, and I had met with many lobbyists before I made the jump, just to get their advice, because I'm a big believer in mentorship and asking for advice. And most of the people I met with, probably about ninety percent of them told me, don't do it, you won't be successful. One guy even was really upset. He's like, no one's going to hire you, no one cares about your Illinois experience. But I ultimately went out and did it, and our first client was a community hospital on the South side of Chicago, So it did work out. And I do public affairs work, get with corporations, trade associations, et cetera, and I've been very successful. I got hired by Fox News, a best selling author, and I do many, many, many other things. So I feel incredibly blessed, and more importantly, I feel incredibly blessed that I never stopped believing one in God or two in myself.

You mentioned Fox News, which is a fascinating story in himself. Walk us through how you ended up with a relationship there.

Well, interestingly enough, a very dear friend of mine who I got to know as I started going on and doing hits on Fox. At that time, I would go on CNN as a Republican strategist. I asked an interview on Series XM because I was hosting Series XM for a host I was guest hosting, and then we met. I went to New York and this person that used to work over at Fox, she brought me in, literally brought me into the network, and she became a peer mentor to me. And I'm exceptionally thankful for that time. I really and truly am so that got me started at Fox News, and then it took on a life of his own doing appearances there, and one of the hosts if the network decided that he was going to put my name before the CEO, and that's how the how it really began. But it was a year and a half before I was hired, which is a pretty fast process for somebody who didn't have a big name, and I'm incredibly thankful to be able to go on to the number one platform in a country, in cable and give my perspective on what's going on in the country. I'm thankful. I'm thankful for people like my mentor Sean Hannity, who's a very dear friend I know to you as well, who will call and text me and just hey, and this is how I think you should handle this, or this is what I think you need to do here. It's really amazing to know that a kid from the South Side of Chicago who grew up in poverty with a mamadta de crek cocaine and she's now recovered for those who are listening. But to have that kind of story and have made these kind of strades is really something out of a story book. If people really knew my story and we want to do a movie after it, people wouldn't believe it because it's just been too many things that have happened for it to be real.

You know, somebody may hear this podcast and this side the only thing. I'm gonna call him and see if we can't do the general called Well story, which would be a very interesting movie. Absolutely you testified about welfare reform. You make a very important distinction about two types of people who get welfare. Could you expand on.

That, Yes, there's two types of people that I believe join the system. It's those who do it to get back on their feet. They don't have a choice, They only want to do it temporarily. Matter of fact, many people will gudgeonally do it because they really don't want to be a part of any government assistance. They believe in themselves, they're independent, they're accountable, but they have to do it because they're trying to provide for them families while they're getting back on their feet. Then you got people who get on the system and they're trying to get every program that they can and they want to manipulate it to stay on as long as they possibly can. And sometimes they don't even have a real need. They just want free money. They want free government money. And those people, honestly, they should be ashamed of themselves. If you're able body, you're able to work, and you really don't have a need for you're just doing it because you want to be lazy and sit at home and watch television. That's why it's so important that there's legislative measures in place to ensure those who need the help can get it, and it's temporary unless they're disabled and they can't work, and those who want to manipulate the system, they can be quickly bounced off. I think those are important features for any legislative vehicle that may be used to advance welfare reform. There's a lot of families out there in need, and Biden has made sure that with Biden Economics, you know, he's made sure that for many of the folks who they may have voted for him thinking their lives are going to be better and find out that they're far worse. Poor people are really really been betrayed by Joe Biden because they're losing money left and right. And then you see the credit card debt that we have now over a trillion dollars, where people are trying to maintain their living putting everything on a credit card. We're in a sad state of affairs in America, and Joe Biden is the cause for it. Remember, build back.

Better right didn't quite work out that way.

It's not been built, and it is worse.

I know it's personal, and I know it's painful, But can you share with us your brother's murderer and your reaction to it and what you think the rest of us should take from that terrible experience.

But thank you for asking me that question, nude. On June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, my baby brother, Christian was murdered on the South Side of Chicago, literally standing outside of a venue on a Friday morning. Multiple people shot. He wasn't the target. The person that was the target ended up living, and they shot a young lady as well. They both lived. Innocent baby brother, Christian, he died and since then there's been a real fight for justice for him. One trying to work with the Chicago Police was completely overwhelmed. They need two thousand officers to handle the current murder case load, and they first it seemed like a blowoff, and when I talked to them, oh, we got a lot of other cases. We really can't focus on it. Until they found out who I was on television and then things seemed like it was going to move in a positive direction. But there's been so many things that have happened in between. Whereas the Chicago Police hadn't been able to really solve this tragedy. So after a certain period of time, I decided that I needed to try to enlist the FBI to get involved, and I after a trip to Chicago for Fox News, I went out and I did a story. I decided that I was going to reach out to Burgess ownings, which I text Congressman burg his ownings. I text them, and at that time he sat on the Judiciary Committee, and I told him, I said, look, I want to get a bipartisan letter together to ask the FBI to come take over this case. And during that time I had no idea that the FBI had arrested or rather had been involved, not necessarily due to my brother, but a guy who had the murder weapon on him was arrested and the month later the FBI got involved with him for some other things that he had going on. So I reached out to the FBI by calling them. My head. Current FBI agents called the Chicago field office. I couldn't get a return call at all, and then it wasn't into The FBI director appeared before Congress and there was a member who was going to ask a question about my brother, but it didn't happen because of a back and forth. It wasn't until three committee chairmen put in letters for the record requesting information about my brother's case that the murder investigation did. I get a call back from the Special Agent in charge of the Chicago Field Office. So I've been working with him on a monthly basis. We do calls to figure out what's going on, have they charged anybody new and you know, what's the status of the case. In addition to that, because of what happened, I've been utilizing the Fox resources. Thankful for our CEOs who's a Scott Who's allowed me to go out and interview family members who are victims of violent crime. I've been able to raise money for those families and really be able to pay it forward. And now Nude, I'm launching something new here. I can't give too many details at this time, but I'm going to be the answer to George Soros. And that's what this really comes down to. The progressive prosecutors that he's been funding, city council members, mayors and even beyond, allowing the country to really go into what many would consider to be a hellhole where soft on crime prosecutors rule the day and victims are victimized day in and day out, and the people who commit the crimes, they get out the same day and pretended it didn't happen and go out and victimize someone else. This needs to come to an end, and there needs to be a voice that can speak to this issue in a very personal way, and I intend to be that voice. I have done it already, but in a bigger way. Is what I'm working on right now, and I love to have your help in that fight. As we're preparing to launch that fight.

Listen, I commend you for doing it. I'll do all I can to help, and I can tell you that the only way we're going to stop the current wave of violent crime is to have citizens stand up and do things like you're doing, and then, frankly, in the case of Chicago and elsewhere, hire enough policemen that you rebalance the system and get prosecutors who will lock up violent criminals. And it's not complicated. It's just that the left hates it and they don't want to do it, even though we absolutely know what works and we absolutely know how to save an amazing number of lives. So I commend you once again as a citizen. You're showing real leadership. My heart goes out to you for the loss of your brother, and I think everybody who's listening would agree that that's a porful situation, a difficult situation, but as usual, you're taking it and turning it into an opportunity to lead and an opportunity to heal and potentially an opportunity to change Chicago for the better. So we'll do all we can to be helpful.

I really appreciate that. And if anyone has a story that they may need highlighted about a family member or just want to be supported, please follow me on social media at Giano Caldwell GIA n O Caldwell c A L D W E L L and that's on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook. And I really appreciate your support, your wisdom. You're one of the best there is new beyond thankful for that.

I'm delighted that you are as much of a public citizen as you are. And I want to thank you for joining me and sharing your personal story and your recent testimony about welfare reform. And I want to encourage our listeners to pick up a copy of your book, Taken for Granted, How Conservatism Can Win Back the Americans that Liberalism Failed, which is available on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and they can watch you regularly on Fox News. Thank you to my guest Jiana Caldwell. You can get a link to buy his book Taken for Granted, How Conservatism Can Win Back the Americans that Liberalism Failed on our show page at newsworld dot com. Newtorld is produced by Gangwish three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guarnsey Sloan. Our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks to the team at Ginglishtree sixty. If you've been enjoying Newtsworld, I hope you'll go to Apple Podcasts and both rate us with five stars and give us a review so others can learn what it's all about. Right now, listeners of newts World can sign up for my three free weekly columns at gingwistre sixty dot com slash newsletter. I'm new Gingrich.

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