02/18/25: Dr. Kari Odermann is a North Dakota native and fled Kyiv, with her family, prior to the attacks on the city. She has been a political commentator in Ukraine and covered President Zelensky when she was a news anchor for state-run Ukrainian TV.

She attended the Munich Security Conference this weekend where Vice President Vance shared some controversial comments. Joel and Kari also talk about the current "peace" talks with the United States and Russia, and lack of including Ukraine in the talks.