This episode feels like listening in on two big basketball fans trying to make sense of a Finals swing: the Knicks looked ready to run away with it, then Victor Wembanyama and the Spurs stole Game 3 and changed the mood heading into Game 4.

CNN’s Omar Jimenez shares what he learned from an extended sit-down with Spike Lee, who’s lived every era of Knicks hope and heartbreak, and why this moment hits New York differently across generations. Omar also breaks down how the first-ever sitting president to attend a Finals game created a “disruptive” vibe around MSG, with extra security, blocked streets, and fans trying not to lose focus.

The takeaway is the mix of pressure, pride, and obsession that makes Knicks fandom feel like family, plus why Omar still thinks this series is going six.