John sits down with Michael Ellison, CEO and co-founder of CodePath.org, a nonprofit training first-generation and low-income college students for software engineering and AI careers, focused on skill, access, networks, and building ownership in the tech economy.

Ellison shares growing up in rural Maine with incarceration and homelessness, and how persistence and relationship capital helped him break in by cold-calling Goldman Sachs and later becoming a key partner to their event. He explains his path into tech startups, joining a Y Combinator company that later exited for over $3B, and how AI increases the value of engineers while elevating human judgment and creativity.