Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman discuss the second full week of Indiana's preseason, examining potential position battles, breakout players and more.

Chapters:

0:00 -- Intro

3:08 -- Fall camp temperature check

7:46 -- Potential breakout players

15:11 -- How the edges of IU's defensive line shape up

19:24 -- Joe Brunner's move to right tackle

25:10 -- Jamari Sharpe poised for a big year?

30:40 -- Any surprises so far?

Read: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2026/08/11/indiana-football-ranking-coach-curt-cignetti-motivation-transfer-portal-rankings-roster/91217180007/

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Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman discuss the second full week of Indiana's preseason, examining potential position battles, breakout players and more.
Chapters:
0:00 -- Intro
3:08 -- Fall camp temperature check
7:46 -- Potential breakout players
15:11 -- How the edges of IU's defensive line shape up
19:24 -- Joe Brunner's move to right tackle
25:10 -- Jamari Sharpe poised for a big year?
30:40 -- Any surprises so far?
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Mind Your Banners: Fall camp heating up as Hoosiers enter third week

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman recap the first two days of fall camp, as Curt Cignetti and the Indiana Hoosiers begin working to defend their national championship.

Chapters:

0:00 -- Intro

1:50 -- Stephen Daley and Kellan Wyatt return

12:14 -- Offensive line shuffle

17:39 -- Josh Hoover settling in

27:01 -- Tyler Cherry's progress

29:02 -- The tight end room

33:06 -- Other practice takeaways

37:02 -- Book event

Read: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2026/08/05/indiana-football-stephen-daley-injury-roster-5-in-5-rule-colorado-court-ruling-ncaa-apeal/91183185007/

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Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman recap the first two days of fall camp, as Curt Cignetti and the Indiana Hoosiers begin working to defend their national championship.
Chapters:
0:00 -- Intro
1:50 -- Stephen Daley and Kellan Wyatt return
12:14 -- Offensive line shuffle
17:39 -- Josh Hoover settling in
27:01 -- Tyler Cherry's progress
29:02 -- The tight end room
33:06 -- Other practice takeaways
37:02 -- Book event
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Mind Your Banners: Football is back in Bloomington

IndyStar IU Insider Zach Osterman welcomes Kyle Neddenriep to the show to discuss five-star wide receiver Monshun Sales' decision to commit to Indiana on Friday afternoon. What led to Sales' decision? What kind of player are the Hoosiers getting? And what does this mean for Curt Cignetti's program? 

IndyStar IU Insider Zach Osterman welcomes Kyle Neddenriep to the show to discuss five-star wide receiver Monshun Sales' decision to commit to Indiana on Friday afternoon. What led to Sales' decision? What kind of player are the Hoosiers getting? And what does this mean for Curt Cignetti's program?&nbsp;

Mind Your Banners Special: Monshun Sales is a Hoosier

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman sit down for their weekly podcast, this time digging into some summer storylines surrounding Curt Cignetti's defending national champions. Plus, discussion of IU's forthcoming men's basketball exhibition.

Chapters:

0:00: Intro

3:05: Summer storylines, starting at QB

13:01: Where might IU be a player short

21:14: Listener questions, offensive line chat

28:30: Adedamola Ajani's emergence

34:29: Monshun Sales latest

36:33: Hoops exhibition discussion

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Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman sit down for their weekly podcast, this time digging into some summer storylines surrounding Curt Cignetti's defending national champions. Plus, discussion of IU's forthcoming men's basketball exhibition.
Chapters:
0:00: Intro
3:05: Summer storylines, starting at QB
13:01: Where might IU be a player short
21:14: Listener questions, offensive line chat
28:30: Adedamola Ajani's emergence
34:29: Monshun Sales latest
36:33: Hoops exhibition discussion
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How Indiana football is shaping up turning page from national championship, plus listener questions

The IU basketball team will play an exhibition at Assembly Hall before heading to Peru. Zach Osterman and Mike Niziolek discuss the latest open practice, roster roles, impact players and more.

Chapters:

0:00: Intro

2:56: Open practice No. 2

6:35: Handling a roster built around two bigs

19:31: Who occupies what roles?

25:12: Markus Burton's importance

30:36: Shifting expectations

44:14: Summer exhibition SZN

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2026/07/01/indiana-basketball-trent-sisley-leader-roster-transfers-freshmen/90713572007/

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The IU basketball team will play an exhibition at Assembly Hall before heading to Peru. Zach Osterman and Mike Niziolek discuss the latest open practice, roster roles, impact players and more.
Chapters:
0:00: Intro
2:56: Open practice No. 2
6:35: Handling a roster built around two bigs
19:31: Who occupies what roles?
25:12: Markus Burton's importance
30:36: Shifting expectations
44:14: Summer exhibition SZN
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Indiana plays basketball this month! Breaking down roles, practice observations

IndyStar's Kyle Neddenriep joins Zach Osterman for a special Mind Your Banners episode, looking at IU football's in-state recruiting in 2027. They dive into the Indiana prep players Curt Cignetti and his staff already have committed, with some conversation at the end on a top remaining target as well.

0:00 -- Intro

2:29 -- IU football's resonance in state

8:42 -- Mason McDermott

12:48 -- Branden Sharpe

20:02 -- Jeremiah Jones

24:05 -- Monshun Sales

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IndyStar's Kyle Neddenriep joins Zach Osterman for a special Mind Your Banners episode, looking at IU football's in-state recruiting in 2027. They dive into the Indiana prep players Curt Cignetti and his staff already have committed, with some conversation at the end on a top remaining target as well.
0:00 -- Intro
2:29 -- IU football's resonance in state
8:42 -- Mason McDermott
12:48 -- Branden Sharpe
20:02 -- Jeremiah Jones
24:05 -- Monshun Sales
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IU football recruiting special: A look into Indiana players, Monshun Sales

The boys are back! Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman convene to discuss the exciting announcement of their new book chronicling IU football's rise under Curt Cignetti. Plus, Mike reports back from the first open practice of the summer for Darian DeVries' team. That and more!

Chapters:

0:00 -- Intro

2:33 -- "Unthinkable to Unstoppable"

21:01 -- Initial men's basketball impressions

27:15 -- Aiden Sherrell's potential impact

32:31 -- Who will emerge as role players?

41:29 -- Thoughts on freshman class

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The boys are back! Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman convene to discuss the exciting announcement of their new book chronicling IU football's rise under Curt Cignetti. Plus, Mike reports back from the first open practice of the summer for Darian DeVries' team. That and more!
Chapters:
0:00 -- Intro
2:33 -- "Unthinkable to Unstoppable"
21:01 -- Initial men's basketball impressions
27:15 -- Aiden Sherrell's potential impact
32:31 -- Who will emerge as role players?
41:29 -- Thoughts on freshman class
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Indiana basketball summer practice underway, plus an exciting announcement!

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman are back, breaking down IU football's spring season, what stood out, who stood out, how Indiana moved on from a historic 2025 and what questions remain as the Hoosiers hit summer and more. 

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman are back, breaking down IU football's spring season, what stood out, who stood out, how Indiana moved on from a historic 2025 and what questions remain as the Hoosiers hit summer and more.&nbsp;

Mind Your Banners: Looking toward a Cignetti Summer

Zach Osterman and Mike Niziolek offer takeaways and debate the most interesting threads to emerge from Indiana's first spring practice of the 2026 calendar.

Chapters:

0:00 -- Intro

1:14 -- Cignetti's first comments of spring

5:31 -- Handling IU's roster

9:30 -- Depth chart talk

20:21 -- Mike's first-practice thoughts

25:21 -- Breakout players?

Read: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2026/03/26/indiana-football-roster-breakout-players-curt-cignetti-byron-baldwin-davion-chandler-adedamola-ajani/89315684007/

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Zach Osterman and Mike Niziolek offer takeaways and debate the most interesting threads to emerge from Indiana's first spring practice of the 2026 calendar.
Chapters:
0:00 -- Intro
1:14 -- Cignetti's first comments of spring
5:31 -- Handling IU's roster
9:30 -- Depth chart talk
20:21 -- Mike's first-practice thoughts
25:21 -- Breakout players?
Read: <a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indystar.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fcollege%2Findiana%2F2026%2F03%2F26%2Findiana-football-roster-breakout-players-curt-cignetti-byron-baldwin-davion-chandler-adedamola-ajani%2F89315684007%2F&amp;data=05%7C02%7CClark.Wade%40indystar.com%7Cc836e967cf3d41f97fb908de8b712126%7Cbc924c8d3e164e88bf26d7fcfb14f2d5%7C0%7C0%7C639101515158911898%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=1kEQs9%2FCiI30xy8KlvL%2FG4GyCVDno3SUqiZGz1QvwFc%3D&amp;reserved=0" data-auth="NotApplicable" data-linkindex="0" data-ogsc="">https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2026/03/26/indiana-football-roster-breakout-players-curt-cignetti-byron-baldwin-davion-chandler-adedamola-ajani/89315684007/</a>
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Mind Your Banners: Spring football opens in Bloomington

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman discuss the fallout from IU's failure to be selected to the NCAA tournament, why the Hoosiers would decline further postseason opportunities and where Darian DeVries' program goes from here.

Chapters:

0:00 -- Intro

0:29 -- Where IU landed in committee's eyes

6:39 -- Turning down other postseason options

15:18 -- How '25-'26 roster decisions affect IU's future

24:55 -- Ryan Carr's impact going forward

29:30 -- So ... what's next?

Read: https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2026/03/12/indiana-basketball-past-success-complicates-future-coach-darian-devries-roster-building/89112427007/

Mike Niziolek and Zach Osterman discuss the fallout from IU's failure to be selected to the NCAA tournament, why the Hoosiers would decline further postseason opportunities and where Darian DeVries' program goes from here.
Chapters:
0:00 -- Intro
0:29 -- Where IU landed in committee's eyes
6:39 -- Turning down other postseason options
15:18 -- How '25-'26 roster decisions affect IU's future
24:55 -- Ryan Carr's impact going forward
29:30 -- So ... what's next?
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Mind Your Banners: Indiana misses the NCAA Tournament. What's next?

Indiana Hoosiers coverage from the IndyStar and Bloomington Herald-Times.

Indiana Hoosiers coverage from the IndyStar and Bloomington Herald-Times.

Mind Your Banners

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