Something different in our podcast this week! Alex recorded a podcast at the Dutch embassy in Jakarta with Marc Gerritsen. In English! Marc is the Dutch ambassador in Indonesia.

In this podcast the conversation is led by 14 propositions, an important number in Dutch (sports) legacy.

They talk about Marc his working life as a diplomat, representing the Netherlands in Indonesia, the impact of his work on his personal life, the history and relationship between Indonesia and The Netherlands, and of course about Timnas Indonesia and Johan Crujiff!