The second episode Alex recorded at the Dutch embassy in Jakarta with Marc Gerritsen. Marc is the Dutch ambassador in Indonesia.

In this episode, as well as the first one with Marc, the conversation is led by 14 propositions. An important number in Dutch (sports) legacy.

Tiogether they talk about the differences between The Netherlands and Indonesia. For instance the way in which people communicate in both the countries, they talk about the differences in culture and how to deal with those differences.

Of course the conversation eventually also leads us to the rising succes op Timnas Indonesia, the influence it has on the whole footballing country and the future of football in Indonesia!