In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli speaks with Jason Morales, CEO and co-founder of UNTILL, about our deep addiction to phones and the attention economy. Morales’s startup is built around a simple but radical idea: using technology itself to reward people for putting their phones down, reclaiming their attention, and spending more time in the real world.

The conversation explores whether digital tools can be redesigned to reduce screen time rather than maximize it, what it takes to compete with the algorithms engineered for addiction, and whether a new generation of products can help people regain control over their focus and presence. At its core, the episode asks a question that defines the moment: Can the same technology that captured our attention be redesigned to help us free it?