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Oh well, look who stepped in the boot for a Wednesday. We got the media matching man, they say, dropping some wisdom. Man, I think I got the guys around the table. Let's go do that.
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Clarence Hill Junior for Worth Star Telegram, My man, you Seph? Wait a minute, sab you Seph from the Atlantic. I'm not gonna miss that. The athletic my man. And you I know you from somewhere. I think I've seen you a few times. Nick Eatman, Dallas Coowboys dot Com. Fellas, how y'all doing today?
Good? All right?
Well, listen, man, I always start every podcast always checking in with people. Man, I think we don't check on people enough. So I'll go around the table just to see what's good with you. How are you doing? Nick, I'm gonna start with you.
I've never been on this side of the table.
Is a is a new vantage? Point for you.
It is brighter than usual, but that's okay.
I like it.
It's good looking.
At me like that looking man like what's said of taking me usually here?
I'm usually right here. But but you know, these life you.
Need some sunglasses.
I've seen you on that side of the table on media mass though over there.
Yeah, it's good.
But you're good. I'm good. I'm good.
Yeah, sorry, moving right along, I'm good. What's up? Man? Living the dream?
Got? This is a This is a fun time because you got football moving into November, which is always the best time in football season. And also, for the first time in thirteen years, we got all four pro sports teams in Dallas in season on the same day. We got Stars, Mavericks, Cowboys, and Rangers.
Have they ever played on the same day.
I don't think.
I don't think all four have.
No, it's gonna be hard for Sunday. I mean that they're not gonna allow it for Major League Baseball. And then a nice job, and they've got, you know, they got to make sure that they're not on any Sunday a Major League Baseball clarence.
Are you you know you're never supposed to ask the old person how they're doing. I mean, you know, I got I got a little siatica over here. I got little ailment, right. You know, you old folks tell you about the ailments. You know you've never seen that.
That's why you checked on.
Yes, the old person I do, and they will tell you every.
Little had eight yeah to think all that.
Telling about it didn't I didn't sleep too well. I'm good man. It's all good man, We're good. We recharged at a good bye week, got it. I had a trip to Houston. I've been trolling on social media.
I'm having a good week trolling on social media.
Trolling.
That's a dangerous place to be, man. I'll tell you what.
Clarence is my wheelhouse. That's my wheel house.
It's like, I got you, I got your media members in here, and I'm not gonna waste that of your time.
I'm gonna get the tea.
I'm gonna get all the scoop on what's going on with the Dallas Cowboys. But I'm gonna start off with the weekly interview that Jerry Jones did on one on five through the Fan. I'm sure you guys heard that interview where he basically and I'm prefacing that we're not going to make any trades unless trades come to us now claims.
I'm gonna start with you.
When you heard that interview, when you got that little tip bit, what were the thoughts going through your head.
We like our guys. We like our guys. We we like our guys, we like our football team. We like our guy. That's not a good Jared voice. We like our guys. You know, it's not surprising. I mean, we've been covering this team a long time and this is what they do now. Of course, since he was so public with it, he might surprise you to do something. But you know he's so public, he's so public, but he might surprise you do something. My thing is this, and I've said this all along, you know, be all in okay, and I know you like your guys, but there are things that you can do to improve his football team. And the whole notion of it has to come to me. And we don't want to be, you know, out there aggressive because we might get took on the deal or whatever else. And I'm worried about signing Michael three years down the road. You've been having Mento super Bowl in twenty eight years. Make the move necessary to win. Now, the opportunity is there where it's right there for the taking. The NFC is wide open that there's a deal to be made, make the deal to improve this team. And yes, I know Mike talked about on Monday about not looking at other teams and not being motivated with what other teams were doing. But the Eagles made a move last year to get that j Brown. They moved this year to get a Pro Bowl safety, even though they were already one of the favorites, to improve their team, improve their chances to get to the Super Bowl. There's nothing wrong with that thinking.
I also think that you know, looking at looking at the Eagles, even though you're not going up against against them this week or whatever, you still have to you're still in the arms race with them. And they're not just doing at the trade deadline. They signed Julio Jones last week too, which whatever is left in that tank. The point is they're still making moves and being aggressive to see that, and I think, I think you don't know what the other team is going to be willing to part with. I mean until you pick up the phone and call them. I mean, the Tennessee Titans look like they're just in a they're open for business. If your running game is struggling, and if Derrick Henry can be had for something, then why wouldn't you look into that. That's just an example. But I think you're if you're at this level that you claim to be at, then you're not competing against the you know, the bottom tier. You're looking at the forty nine ers, the Eagles, maybe the Detroit Lions, things like that, and that's who you have to.
Go off of.
Yeah, I mean, I think that I agree with Clarence that you know, we gotta you know, we want to see them go all in at some point. They they haven't done that. They haven't gone all in. They have been aggressive, but but I don't think you know, no one, no one really cares about the moves if they don't work out, you know what I mean, if they if Julio Jones doesn't play a snap, then that won't be one of the moves that Eagles made when they talked about it. Or you know, it's got to be a von Miller type thing that the Rams did, or let's see what you know, Kevin Baird did. Whatever if Anthony Barr had had had ten sacks last year, then that would have been a type of move. If Jason Peters would have been the guy that started a lot of games and all that, that would have been that type of move. I think they've made in the neighborhood of those moves, but not a big, splashy one. So I think it's not against what they do. They just haven't maybe gone to the level that that, you know, what we'd like them to do and make one of those big, you know, Amari Cooper type moves, because I think when you look at it, that move did not work.
Now when you did not work good for them. It did not work.
Whit White, it was wrong with him.
He should still be on the team. It would have worked if he still he would still be on the team.
But it didn't because he's not on the team.
So it did not work.
It did not work.
But those are decisions they made. I mean, just like signing letting you know, Seth Wilson go and let Mary Cooper go and signing Michael Gallo that didn't That hasn't worked either. I mean, but what I'm saying is I hear you ultimately because down a team, it didn't work. But they're the reasons why it didn't work.
Okay, well regardless, I mean twenty nineteen first round pick, which was for a Mari Cooper is not on the team in twenty twenty two. That's not a good pick. I mean, it doesn't matter if he's from. So that's all I'm saying. I didn't like the trade. Would I didn't like that trade. I didn't like the Gallopery sign. I would have resigned Cedric and we talked about that too. All all I'm saying is is I think Jerry looks at it like Galloway that didn't work. I mean for what he gave up and Roy Williams the receiver that didn't work, and then you know, and now you know, you go in for Mark Cooper and it worked for a little bit and then resigned, but you know it didn't mesh.
But why not take you to take you to task on this?
Then if you're looking around the NFL, and especially if we're just talking about the Philadelphia Eagles NFC East, right, you're talking Philly and Howie Roseman goes out and he goes and gets a free safety from the Titans, who's open for business, And you look at that as a splash. You think that that piece that Philadelphia added to an already talented roster puts them even more over the top when you look at the Dallas cowb as roster and by position, is there a specific position room that you're saying, Jerah, get on the phone because if you make this call, I know we can't mention anybody specifically, guys, but I'm saying there's a group that you said, but it's still at the same time, Is there a position group that you make the call for?
I mean, I got a lot of position groups.
Give me that that you make the call for.
I mean, what's the call? I mean, I think they could use help a receiver, you know. I think they could use helping linebacker. I think they could use help at cornerback. You know. I think they can use help a tight end. You know. I'm just just that's just spitballing. I mean, but my thing is, let's turn over every rock that's not just going to this and say we're good. Yeah, and and so that's you know, so whatever that is, whatever position is, certainly the Eagles needed help in safety and and you know, they lost the safety and all season one of the guys they picked up blasted min season left and if they any see, and that was in the Manta Madax got hurt and so it was a hole there, you know. And and they need to improve with Kevin ber going getting him from Tennessee. But you know, it's they know their team, but anybody you know, and so we can talk about who we think where they need help. But I'm just saying that they need to not just rest on their laurels of what they did in the off season and say we're good, you know, we like these guys and and go forward when you're not turned over every rock.
I also think that you have to look at it not just at what position you need right now, but what position what can the domino effect be. So maybe you look at outside corner and you think you're set with Gilmour and Bland, but if you can go get another good outside corner, then that puts Bland back inside and then that has that upgrades your roster in a bigger way than just one single position. So I think you look at it that way. I think you also look at the defensive tackle position. Obviously, that's been talked about here for a few years now, So I think for me, corner and and defensive tackle would probably be the ones.
Yeah, for me, I would probably go for a running back. But yeah, only if it's a situation that I can get a guy for, you know, multiple years. I mean, I'm not I don't think this is a team. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Cowboys are at the level where you go and and you give up a couple of draft picks for a guy that's going to be here this year and then after that we'll see.
I don't know.
I don't know if they have a Max Schurzer type and that's Baseball reference, but that's but that's different because it's a different league.
I get it.
But you know, that's kind of for right now, for this year, to try to go over the top. I don't know if the Cowboys should do that. I think if they're going to get a guy, anybody, I think I'm getting a guy in the last year of his first you know, first contract, twenty six, twenty five years old, and going into you're gonna have to pay him again. But that's the idea. We're trading for him because we want to sign him, you know, long term after this year.
Nobody pays running back.
So while we talk, okay, well they do it, they do it.
I mean, go get it.
That's the problem.
I'm not going to name any but if you have a really a big running back, you have a big, strong running back that's that's a bruiser that that can maybe lighting the load for Tony Pollard because I don't know if this is working out for Tony.
Pollard, like and he's done the last year of his deal.
Right, so you've got you got all kinds issues of running back next year. I mean, who's who's under contract toos?
Exactly?
Yeah, basically exactly.
No, I just yeah, so we are running back and certainly I think that when when when you look at it offensively, they need a hammer and the running gain, they need a mismatch tight end receiver in the rigi zone. Those those are things that this team does not have a need.
Right So let me ask you this guys.
As media guys, y'all had your week off, had an opportunity to look over your notes on what you thought about this team and grade wise just overall thoughts on this team. Where are you at with them? As well? This is eight f what do you what do you great this whole team at right now?
I mean, i'd give them like a B minus. And I think it's you're looking at it in two ways. First of all, you're looking at relative to expectations, and then secondly, I'm looking at it offense versus defense as well. So offensively, I'm honestly, I'm just a little lost. I don't really know what the identity is. I don't know what they're trying to do offensively. Defensively, they've had some a couple of hiccups after starting out real fast, and you know, having these conversations about the eighty five Bears and two thousand Ravens and all that stuff, it doesn't look like that consistently. And so but four and two is still foreign too, and I think you can't overlook that, and especially I think after you know what happened with the forty nine ers and the Eagles also losing. I mean, you're not just talking about you need to be at this level. It's relative to the rest of the league. And right now they're right there with the forty nine ers, they're right there with the Eagles in the standings, and so I think I think that has to.
Be considered Yeah, B for me, I mean, and I agree with that, and I've never been one. You know, when you're talking about grades, it gets real tricky because it reminds you back when you were in college or high school or whatever. Because because the grade is a grade, it doesn't matter if the valed victorian has never had a B in her life. If she gets an eighty five, that's an eighty five now she depressed, yeah or whatever. But I'm just saying, it's still the grade, So it doesn't Expectation to me doesn't go factor into a grade. So I go with the B mainly because they lost to a really bad football team, so that that that shows me that you know, you have and you got blown out by a really good team, so you're kind of right there. You haven't beat anyone that's great, but you've had, you know, some solid wins.
So yeah, four and two says, if I'd have told you go into the season based on the early schedule there were four and two, you'd be okay with that, you know, considering the Jets, and you know, yeah, without the Jets, that's not a bad start because you know, but knowing what we know now, you know they should be five and one. There's no excuse for what happened in Arizona and whether they surely got blown out by the forty nine ers, but you know, whether they lost the closed gaming blog game, you know, that was probably a game they probably were gonna lose. So they should be five and one in my in my book, going to this next stretch, uh B sounds right because of inconsistency. And I hear you about you know, saying I don't greade on expectations, but also don't great on the curve either. I mean, it's just it's how you look at it. Uh, this team should be better than that, you know, and they should have played better than they played. And but but they're foreign too, so defensively, there's some questions out there that they're not as strong as we thought they were. Offensively, they certainly don't look like the team that we thought they were going to be. And so, uh, the good news is they have a chance to flip that. And Mike McCarthy talked about, you know, September football, and he's right, you don't really know what I've preached all the times a week the week league people make these referendums on who's good and who's bad. You know, based on what we see in September, and and now that we kind of got an understanding of who everybody is and what they can do. Now it's really the time where you kind of you see people can make differences going to the October and the Cowboys have a chance to really make a stand. They got fort knxus games at home. They should at least go five to one in this stretch. You know, we can talk about whether the should be Eagles or not, but they should go at least five to one in this stretch. Four next games and home. They wasn't ten straight games at home. They have a chance to win eleven straight games against the Rams. No Cowboys team has done that since ninety one ninety two. Of course, it's when they won the first of their three Super Bowls in the nineties. But this is a chance for really makes them hay right now.
I also think that it's not it doesn't always look the same when we talk about that forty nine ers loss. I know a loss is a loss in the standings, but I go back to a couple of years ago when the Cowboys open against the Buccaneers and they barely lost. And now remember the vibe of the team around the team was you know what, this was Tom Brady and the Buccaneers was Opening Night and you're right there, and it was very outbeat and it was very demoralizing. Mike McCarthy talked about that last week and though that, you know, they look back a little too much after that forty nine Ers loss, and so I think that also contributes to it being a little bit lower.
Well, hold on, no, because on you know, and I've talked about this all the time, Nate Newton and I go back and forth about moral victories, and I use that Tampa Bay game, that first one, because you have to. You can't say that without saying that they won five straight after that game, right, you know, That's that's the thing. So they did they use that to boost them, if you're saying on the flip side for the forty nine Ers. That's why I think that win against the Chargers was huge, exactly because it stopped all that. It stopped Oh is this losskit Alinker? No, it didn't, it didn't. They went out on Monday night football, you know what. You can call that home game if you want, but they went you know into La and beat beat the Chargers. That was a huge games the first time. You know, they were averaging their margin average. The average margin of victory was twenty seven points in the first four games. I mean all these blowout games. So that was a three point game. And that's the way you're going to have to play in you know, get in December and January. It's going to be those type of games. So I hear what you're saying about demoralizing. But that's why it was so important to beat the Chargers. Should kind of stop that from free.
Fall in two things for me, one being before the season, like you said, Clarence, you would have never thought of this roster in terms of be talent wise because everybody kind of assumed that this was an ad talent that everyone put together. Now that it's played together, you kind of have your questions about this defense, the running game or the yards they give up. And also Tony Pollard. I think you have those questions where you're saying, man, how are they going to use utilize Tony Poler because he doesn't seem like the player that you had when he was paired with Zeke. But on the other side, just keeping it real with you. On the San Francisco game, it seems like that was two losses. It was one loss. It felt like too, because everybody came into that game saying, oh, this is a measuring stick game, and then you go and you get blown out by San Francisco.
And oh, by the way, two weeks later they've lost that good.
So you got to be asking yourself questions now about a measuring stick game versus team that now has lost two in a row.
Is why Jerry on the radio. You go back to Jerry and the radio. He was even he brought up with Samwiches a game, well they would have and lost to Minnesota and their quarterback played well, and he pointed all those things out, which is anotherwise. He said, they want on the level of San Francisco, but of course San Francis is a different team on the road. Those two losses on the road. The quarterback, which I've said from the beginning, make him play from behind, make him play an a type game. I mean, he looks great when things are going great, but no one put him in a situation where had to play from behind or play in the close game and make play as they count. Ask him make play as the count He's not the same Golden Wood quarterback.
And also, when we talk about measuring stick games, I understand from the playoff history and everything that they had, but it was early October, and just because they lost big in that game doesn't have to linger on to anything in November and December. And I always go back to the Patriots got blown out against the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football in twenty fourteen, and this was before they had the whole second run dynasty all that stuff. That's when break was done and Belichick was done. They won the Super Bowl that year, and they came back from all that. So my point is is, you know, in late September, early October, those aren't those aren't necessarily those are measuring stick games from a team to team standpoint, But that time of year, what what McCarthy's talking about, September football, October eighth is still an extension of September football, And so you're looking to what happens after that.
Yeah, I mean the Cardinals game. To me, that the one saving grace there is that I mean, you had nineteen Pro Bowlers that I mean nineteen combined Pro Bowls that missed that game from the week before. I mean, I mean it's just you called an excuse, but three Pro Bowl players on your offensive line that that was challenged and Digs as well, and you know that's the only win of the season. That's not a good football team. The more concerning one was the forty nine ers that you were healthy and you and it was a game let's see where you stand, and they were knocked out in the first round.
Because I'm just opposite, I think I think that at the end of the season you're going to really hate that forty nine as long. I mean that get Cardinals.
Yeah, but I'm just saying, but but don't you think, I mean, can't we see the reason.
We can't see the reason you don't see. No, no, not defensively, no eventsively, Diggs had nothing to do with the running game getting gassed. This is not a great run support guy. I mean, the running game got gas from from jump.
If they play the Cardinals tomorrow in Arizona, who do you think wins?
I'm asking you Cowboys should win the game.
Do you think they win? Do you think they're favorite? They won?
The last time you think that, I would have said the same thing before last game.
It doesn't matter though, I'm talking about right now. Since you saw the last game, do you think they'll they'll be favored to win? Yes, What about the forty nine ers, do you think they'll be favored to be because of what you saw?
Because even before that, I didn't pay them to win the first game.
Oh that's my point though, what you saw against the forty nine ers makes you think, Man, they're not on the same level right now, what you saw against the Cardinals sounds like a fluke.
I think that. I I guess I'm different because I think that the forty nine game, looking back, since we're all looking back now, was more about a bad day at the office, you know, especial with the forty niners where they lost the last two weeks. I mean, I think it was just a bad dad they got. It was a bad dad dollars and it could have been mortalized. It was mortalized at the time because they talked so much. They did talk too much. They put so much on the game, and they went out and laid an egg. But to me, the game that they're gonna be regretting particialarly regretting at the end of the season is the Cardinals game. I don't care that three office line was out and Diggs got hurted. That game should not have happened.
Well, it's the media match. I feel smarter already. This guy just put us in the super Bowl. I heard what he said, Yes.
He just did.
Sod you said, just put us in the super Bowl? I heard?
Is the quarterback Tom Brady?
No, but you gave the comparison.
But that's all I need to go off of my man Nick Eatman Clarence Hill.
Junior in the building.
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Back to media Mash. Back here on the media mash smarter already, man got his brain power around me. These guys who write these great articles, surrounded by guys like side yourself, Clarence Here, the legend, Clarence Hill, Julian.
Legend, the legend. This man is a legend, yo. You don't think so?
I agree, it is a legend right here. I'm just old, I trust me. When I was in high school.
It's a whole it's a whole goat right here.
Man?
What you're talking about?
Oh, I remember when Clarence Head buddy, Chris Beam an immediate game spearing football.
Is that possible that Chris Beam didn't tell me a story? He was concussed.
He was conclussed, doesn't remember.
How about Mickey tripping? How about Mickey tripping Chris Brain? Okay, with.
Those media games, we didn't do that anymore.
Man, my mind, how things have changed? Nick Man?
You know what, you had a social media post. It made me sad. No, we you posted a picture. You was like before and after, oh yeah, and you show. I was like, yeah, and then I think some something on that is like hadn't seen the super Bowl or something like that.
Right, yeah, oh yeah, of course somebody's got that. That's why that's why Twitter sucks.
I'm sorry, what happened?
Thanks for joining the show player. No, no, it was it was just something about it was my five hundredth game. Yes, that's five hundred games, and uh and obviously I was you know, a few cheeseburgers ago for me, so uh, you know, it looked different all that. But then somebody's got to jump in there. It's like, oh, all those games and no super Bowl, which is not true. I've actually I covered a super Bowl. I covered a super Bowl. But I have never covered a championship game. I don't know what the NFC Championship game it was like. But yeah, but that's the thing, like, you can't say you can't watch a game and go, man, great job, great job Texas Rangers, because then it's, well, somebody in Orlington's won, you know what I mean. So that's why I kind of takes out of it because I know, I know who.
You know.
It does take the fun out of it. But listen, and I'm a social media guy and I like to get in those conversations, but these are all extensions of other conversations. It's always about the Cowboys what they've done. Okay, So yes, you guys could find on the game to cover the Cowboys.
So you know, I get it.
You know, you know what I'm saying. The Range has done, the Cowboy playing Arlington, you know, the team in Arlington.
So here's the thing. That's why, for the most part, I stay off of it. So maybe this is a segue to people that don't like the way the Cowboys are covered in social media. Maybe they can they can do things differently. I don't know if we're talking about anyone specifically, Mike.
I was gonna go into Michael Parsons and how he's dealing with social media right now on his podcast, and Michael is michaeh.
Yeah.
And for you guys, obviously you come from new school, old school generation. Things have changed a lot since you guys first started reporting on this team. How do you feel when you see a guy, a superstar like Michael Parsons sitting and giving his deepest, most thoughts in front of a microphone, unedited, without a pr person standing behind him. Does any of that make you nervous? How do you feel about it?
It's not a nervous issue because that's the way of the world. They're on social media, that that's their right. I was pissed off last week because he didn't talk to us for two weeks, okay, and he blamed the national media when he you know, he got that's why I didn't talk to media last week, because how you gonna punish us? True, because you mad at them and then get on your podcasts. I didn't like that, you know, because you know, do your job, do your duty. You're supposed to talk to the media every year, every week. He hadn't talked to media for two weeks he talked today, But so that that was my thing. But yeah, you got the I mean, I follow players on social media. That's what you have to do. We write stories based on social media reactions, and certain you can you can when people things happen, people die, people retired, whatever else. You can get quotes and reactions from players in real time on social medi So that's the new game, that's the new world. That's certainly what we're dealing with.
Yeah, I mean, I think I think when you look at what Micah does and how he uses his platform, it's the good comes with the bad and the bad comes with the good. It's whatever you how are you going to look at it. You can complain about how you know the Cowboys are covered or how they're viewed, or the criticism, but the praise goes the same way when it does. And so there's a reason why this brand is what it is, and it's because of the good and the bad. And so I think Micah's young, he's twenty four or something like that. He's just kind of getting an understanding of what this is. I mean, we've talked to Dak Prescott about this many times, and he knows that this is kind of what comes with playing for the Dallas Cowboys. And I think you just have to understand those things that, like, you know, you're gonna get the good or you're gonna get the bad. How do you filter those things and not let that become everything that you kind of think about.
Yeah, and the more that you react like that, then the more bad, because I could argue with you that you know, you get the good and the bad. I don't think so, like, I really don't things. So I don't think that that the the same guys that that that sit up there on those national shows and all that that, you know, I think that they want to be Cowboy haters because they.
Understand they lean into that, they lean.
Into it, they understand that that that helps them. That helps them because then it's like, oh, I hate this guy Stephen A. Smith, what was he going to say about the Cowboys? Well, he just won. He won because that's exactly what they wanted to do. And I don't think it's the same when they win, because what happens is it's really easy. They go and beat the forty nine ers, not forty two to ten. That would have been different. But if we just beat the forty nine ers. The narrative would be good win.
What happens that's well, that's because it's gotten stale over twenty seven years. But if they won the Super Bowl that that would be a whole different level than any of the other thirty one teams.
Yeah, but they haven't won a super Bowl. We're going to deal with what's going on now, right, what's going on now? And that's what people think. Well, you're a deck I rarely get the narratives. I think their narrative. I don't and I agree with Michael. I don't think that they do it fairly. And I got into with some beings people last week. Well it's the Star. No, the Star had done. The Star is about the fans. Had nothing to do with how a media person analyzes someone's play and how they why they talk about this guy with that guy this team. It should not be because of the Star if you're being fair about your analysis.
But let me ask you this, do you think Bill Belichick is going to get the Patriots where they need to go right now this year? Do you think that as a coach he can get his team up there because he's the greatest of all time? No, no, Well, but he's the greatest of all time. But that's the thing. No one says, well the Patriots and Bill Belichick, no one goes through the past fifteen to twenty years with his career and apply it to right now. Why are we applying twenty years for the Cowboys and applying it right now?
I was told because of Jerry Jones, because Jerry Jones said, so.
Okay, yeah, seriously.
It makes but yeah, so so again, like I said, I I've been on this battle railing against narrative. I'm not necessarily defending that. I'm reddening this narrative. So because I got into it with Dan Alowski all those guys, like I said, did y'all talk about the person that led the NFL and interceptions in twenty twenty one or twenty Did y'all do any breakdown? I don't know. I'm just saying no, they didn't, and you know they they did not do off season breakdown. Did not talk about the interceptions incessantly in those years about the person who let the legal interceptions? Only did it this past year when it was that you know, just like now, who's the interception leader? Jalen Hurts exact, Jalen Hurts and your boy and Josh Allen and you know, they all got eight interceptions and everything else, but no one's using that as an indictment of their abilities and whether they can get somebody to the super Bowl or anything like that. It's just just keep it real.
But as long as you guys have been writing on the downas Cowboys, that's been the narrative, regardless of how it changes.
So who had changes.
It's so crazy because somebody said it's the media is the one who says the Cowboys should win every year, so that's why they get the grief. I said, no one has covered the Cowboys longer than me, and I've never picked them to win the Super Bowl. So tell me how I as a media member who's covered the team up closing personal more than any of you guys.
You are a legion, you know.
Just tell me how we the media is the reason that we put the Cowboys in I've never done that. I've never picked the Cowboys to win one super Bowl.
It's because everyone loops media and one. I mean it's the local, but.
No leading media has picked the Cowboys to win super Bowls.
I'm sure there's people sitting up there in national meetia.
I mean, but it's not I mean it's I mean, you go back to two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, no, two thousand after they too during the season, when they two thousand and seven, whenever thirteen and three that the best record. People that thought the Cowboys to win going to two thousand and eight, you know, think oh, maybe they have a chance to do it finally start, you know, But it wasn't like every year the media is putting the Cowboys on the press the Cowboy a year, that's not facts.
But here you are, like it takes you off where Michael says, I'm not going to talk to the media because it's something that the national media says when you.
And they're not real media. They're they're they're that's entertainment. That's what I try to tell them, because I've talked to Michael Shady, McCay, Jorge. That's not media. That's entertainment. Okay, they're not that those first take shows. That's not media. That's I mean, I'm media, I know media, that's entertainment. They're not interested in journalism. They're not just in being fair. They're presenting both sides they're interested in.
But then you take, but then you're segmenting something that these guys when they look at it, enjoyed. Taylor Shady McCay says, dak is that travels.
No one watching the show, so they say it, they put it on social media, that goes viral. That's what they're looking true exactly because no one watching the show. But that that's hot takes. That's not media.
But doesn't it that's not journalists. But what doesn't it work with?
Michael says, I'm not talking to you because it's something that the national.
Out there and gets the defending. I mean, that's perfect.
That leads, right, they go back, they go back and forth, and so he helps create their content. You know, you're feeding into their content when you respond.
That's that's what he's going.
So like last week, it just frustrated me because so Michael responds, and so ESPN did this whole segment the first take sees all of them, the whole segment about exactly okay, and then I Joe and everybody else is doing this whole segment about Micaeh. Cowboy wasn't even playing this week. It's a freaking bye week and the whole ESPN is coming from michaeh.
Andy And that's Jerry off to the side, going.
Oh, Jerry loves it, that's what. But he loves it. But as as a media person, as media that's not journalists, you know what that's that's entertainment because I'm giving you what you want to hear if they ain't journalist.
But when we started, we started, you know, when I started covering the team, I mean, you you never you never showed that you you were a fan of the worst thing. You could do one right, right, But but where did it go the other way where it's okay to be hey, hater, like that's okay. That's what I don't understand, Like, you know, and it's not just stephen A. It's it's it's Bart Scott, Ryan Clark, I mean, the coach, the big coach, the yeez yes, I mean it's because it's like, you know, if I'm related to Buddy Ryan, I gotta hate you, just gotta hate the Cowboys. And you know, it's just like that's just the that's what it is. And for every Michael Irvin that goes the other way, there's about ten.
Well let's see it, and I'm glad you brought Michael up because I've said this. You can say what you want about Michael. Michael is unambassly a Cowboy fan. Okay, he roots for the Cowboy roots for the Cowboys. You've never heard Michael Irvin hate on another team or another player because of the rivalry. You've never heard him not be fair about Jalen hurts about the Eagles because of the rivalry. He just is an unabasketed Cowboy fan. But he never denigrates and downgrades another team. These guys are purposely downgrading the Cowboys and Dak and they're accomplishments and what they've done and how they are because of the rivalry. That's to me, that's the difference. You're not being Mike, You're being the other way.
That's a great point.
That's a great point because if anybody has a reason to be against the Eagles, it would be Michael.
He could do it the fan base.
Like Stephen Ay says, I hate the Cowboys because the fan base, Well, Mike is saying, well, I hate the Eagles because of the family. They booved me when I was paralyzed. No, but he doesn't do that.
That's true, but as a combination of what both of them are saying, it's also I don't I don't really view that as journalism, Like I just don't view any of that with any journalists. I mean, the stuff that we do in terms of independent writers and stuff, there's a there's a level of journalistic ethics that I make sure to follow all the time, whether I'm talking to players, writing, whatever I'm doing. They don't have to do all.
That, Yeah, they don't. Mike is gonna understand. I mean that there's a reason why the phrase is what it is, power of the press. Mike is going to understand that if you're not gonna win the battle, you're not gonna win it, and it's only gonna look worse if you keep trying to find it.
Right And but the difference between Michael in the past, when he tried to fight the battle, he had to fight the battle through the media. Michael is fighting the battle with his own media exactly, you know, so that his own brand, and some people lean into that, but ultimately he doesn't talk enough because he does it one day a week and these guys are every day of the week, you know, so you're not gonna win. But but there's a difference because he has his own brand to get his thoughts out fully and not be caught up in sound bites or whatever else.
So clarience, there used to be a day when they wanted to get some bulletin board material, Charles Haley would have to come to you personally, give you a take, and that would then turn into bulletin.
Board Jimmy John's after to call the radio station.
Exactly just headline. Now now Charles Haley has his own podcast in the world is a better place. We're gonna take a break with me back. Charles got no talk about Michael in the comparacy between the two, but either way he backed with more media.
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To Media Mash Final final segment of Media Mash had a bunch of have been having a bunch of fun. A lot of guys in parting knowledge and wisdom. I'm gonna change man. Come back to my next podcast. I'll be a lot smarter.
Get your own podcast too.
Players lounge, your own your own no, no, no, no, okay, the.
One he's on It's all good.
It's not you know what I'm doing.
But there's only one guy in this from has his own podcast.
Right right, and that's what that's what he was checking. I get it. I did, thank you.
No.
I was honestly talking about the Charles Haley thing, like when we went to break but Haley has his own podcast, and I started sweating a little bit and then I was like, okay, and then you said my own podcast.
You know.
I'm just we're talking about Mike. I feel like everybody's got their own podcast.
Man, the players, Cowboys not come. I'm feeling in for New Druggs on media mash Man. Listen, guys, this has been so much fun. But before we leave, I gotta talk about the team we're playing on Sunday at twelve pm. I'd be remiss to not bring up the Rams. They have a pretty big deal, the Ram, the Rams and uh just hey, initial thoughts, initial thoughts on the Rams.
What do you think about the matchup?
We follow the Rams?
Yeah, what's about the matchup?
The matchup that that Aaron Donald is the best player in that defense. Nobody else in the defense line is really that good control Eric Donald offensively, the two receiver what is it, pooka pooka and the pookah pooka Pookah's playing ball, you know, and and and you know, certainly I don't think the running game is what it used to be. You know, one thing that the Rams used to be fuddling the Cowboys with all that motion and everything they did, and they would gash them in the Yeah, well they don't have to say runners, you know, but yeah, they used to gas the Cowboys in the run game, you know, with all the things that they used to do. But it's the past game with Stafford and those two receivers that you gotta worry about. But get to the quarterback. Uh, this should again, I talked about it earlier. This is a game you have to put in the bank. It's at home, the Calvis one ten straight. You have a chance to win eleven straight. You play decidedly much better at home or the last two years than you're done on the road. You look at the numbers this year at home the rather than the road. I don't care what the Rams got. Put this in the bank for me.
It's it's really interesting coming off the Chargers game. And why that was so important is because I think you finally played an established, top tier quarterback. And we've talked about rock Perty. You know, in the right situation, I think is good. But justin Herbert is well renowned as one of the top guys, and now you're going against another one of those guys. And I think the fact that you have that in your bank, and I know, I know Herbert missed some throws, but I think the Cowboys passers being around him and in his head contributed to some of that. So for me, it's stop Matthew Stafford and you stop the Rams.
Yeah, you got to win the game. Like Clarence said, you get me. Got to win, no excuses. It's one guy on the injury report and he actually practiced in full and one yay Timas. So if you're coming off of buy, you should have some you should be well rested, you should have you know, some some plays. Hopefully this you know, we'll see if they got some different plays, different things that they're gonna you know, look at and self scout and see what they bring out, and they're better look like that, they look like a better football team than the Rams, and so you gotta go show it.
Yeah again, go back to we're talking about earlier. This is a third straight game with your office is live. Those Pro Bowlers, those all the pros, those Hall of famers, they get loud of this is they should jail. It's tiping to jail. Time to get the running game going. You should be able to start looking like your best right now.
But if they're not there though, that doesn't matter.
Though against a Zona, Arizona's one and six, get it there, one there, Arizona six. Okay, before we go, I started before we go. My problem with Arizona game is this defense. Forget the offense line. The defense talked about being the greatest defense on Earth, generational, generational championship defense. You can't give up three hundred yards rushing. You can talk about the office line all you want to. They still moved the ball, They had opportunities. You can't give up. Every time the offense tried to get back in the game, the defense got gashed. Had nothing to do with Diggs.
I get that.
Diggs don't play the run like that. I mean, they're probably better get the run without Digs, you know, Uh, the defense. You cannot get gassed like that, the defense reach whatever it was that should not have happened.
I agree, but I you know, I give if they get to play again tomorrow. I mean, the defense is what it is. I mean, there's digs not coming back.
So I think the defense would be better.
I mean, I think that better if your offense can actually get you know, get first down, to get moved, you know, get off the field.
If you do, the Bears and the Ravens don't give up point against the offense's one dimensional. They got a quarterback, don't they want to do nothing but run the ball. They should not give up ten points against that team.
Cardinals.
Yes, that's who they want to be. That's who they've talked about.
Being eighty five.
I'm sorry, Yeah, that's who they talked about being. Well, I'm just saying, but that's what if you if you that championship defense, if you all the things that we've talked about, blowing smoke, and we're that team and we're this great defense. Because what they did against the jess what against it gives the Giants. Don't give up ten points.
We beat this team last year twenty two to ten. I believe Week five programs, Yeah, with Cooper Rush.
With Cooper Rush.
So this is one of those games, Like you said, Clarence, if you want, hey want everybody take you serious. You've been in the same the conversation with the ninety one ninety two Dallas Cowboys.
I think we know how that.
Finished, and that would be eleven straight at home guys. I appreciate that. I appreciate y'all. Man sad, Clarence, Nick, it's the media mass. We'll see y'all.
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