Wait. Sorry, I'm sorry, sir, you're We just have to wait for George to get in here and then then we could start the show. Sir, what are you talking about? Your face? I'm George, clearly, I'm George. What are you talking about? You know, I'm George Jase. You look rail thin. Yeah, I lost fifteen pounds, but your face, you look you look like my grandfather. The hell happened to you? Had you lose this kind of weight? Ozempic? Are you looking in the mirror? I don't have any mirrors in my home, you know that. I think they're portals to another dimension. I don't trust mirrors. Well, I know, because you're on mushroom so often that you can't look at them. Well, George, you look seventy five years old. No, you know. One of the side effects of a zempic is that your face. You know, you lose so much weight that your face kind of becomes hollowed out and you look old. You look insane. You look like an old crone. No, no, you, I mean I did. Someone did tell me that I look like, you know, like I had some filter on my face on TikTok or something that makes you look like an old man, but I thought they were just crazy and just kind of jealous because I looked so thin. Stop. I can't even stand looking at you. No, so scary azempic face, which is just like a face of a youthful man like you just look so thin and good that you have a zempic face. That's what it means. No, it's not. You really should just quickly look up what it means, and then you would easily disprove what you just said. I'm worried about looking in the mirror now because I don't want to. I don't want to see what you see if it is in fact true. Because I love my body. My body minus my head feels fantastic. I will admit I do feel a little. Your body looks fantastic. I have to say and thank you for being man enough to admit that your face looks like a joke and it's crazy. But someone might like that, so maybe I'm like heroin chic. Then that's okay, oh zepic chic, you know, because now people ever went so proud. You know, Hey I'm fat, I'm proud of it. For some reason, you could say, hey, I'm hideous because I look like an old bag. Then I'm proud of it. Well, that's what I'm saying is you know you look at models these days. I mean I was slipping through the Sports Illustrated the other day and they had these plus size models. Plus I want to exactly, thank you, Dan. Like I want to see skinny people, I want to see good looking people. And it's siguriously if you want to diversify it in terms of the body type, well get an zepic face in there. Someone is lean and mean and looks seventy eight years old on the face. That would be diverse to me is if some one had an ozempic face. Because I that's okay. You're so obsessed with representation, Well then let's represent someone with those epic faces. And George, you know what, if you don't even like your face, guess what, you get a facelift. That's what we have in this country. You have options. Okay, you got the options. You want to facelift or you don't want to facelift. It's a great option. You're listening to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that forges a new roadmap for the modern man on how to best lived life. I'm George Collins, former liberal cut bole and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think, so you don't have to. You know what else is disgusting? The New York DA Alvin Bragg going after Trump for some I don't even know hush money money? What's wrong with hush money money? Can't be a type of hush I didn't read into it. I don't need to because I know exactly you don't. Don't read the stuff, don't read anything because you know it's a croc stop reading. Trump has been able to not only raise a ton of money since this indictment, but in addition, he has taken the lead in the polls over his rival Ron De Santis. You know, the more you try to hurt this guy, the more he's going to thrive. I mean, and that that's just a fact. And we see that in the numbers. Okay, So he's indicted now, which means what he's no longer you know, dited. Now he's gone from dibted to indicted and means is yes, so what is indicted? When you get indicted? Everyone knows this, you know. And again, I went to law school. I'm an expert. That was twice. That's like one of the first questions on the law school test. What is indictment? And it's been a little while, um since I was there, but what I remember for indictment is, you know, you're at the courthouse, and I think things get sealed unsealed. So there was like an envelope and they maybe they gave it to Trump or something, and he so the process, what's kind of the process of going from diicted in direct that's where it gets murged. Well, and that's where and I think it's meant to be. I think that's part of the it's always meant to be a little murky. That's part of the law. That's how the law works. It's just the gears low gears of justice. There is something gets unsealed, a document, Trump some sort of has it. Now he has the document indictment, and so that therefore is indictment. He's in on the diet. He's been as well. He's indicted to it. He's indoctrinated in the indictment. So he and Alvin Bragg are in agreement in regards to thedictment. And until he it's really just a conversation. It's just a conversation. And that's what we're doing here. Our show is essentially an indictment, an indictment, and guess what, it's only helped this, It's only helped Trump. He's only gotten bigger or stronger. He's doing in a superpower. And that actually is my big question for today. Do all women wish they were their own feces cure aunted? Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having sechio Biden will be the first ghost press washing your hands actually bad for wire? Aunt House is so scary. Is Ronda Santis going to have to be indicted for a crime in order to get his poll numbers up? Should I? Well, that's an interesting question, Dan, that's really interesting, and it's really well phrased because, as you know, should I rephrase it because indicted right in order to when the president catch up to Trump? Yes? Because what we're seeing right now, Dan, and I know you've seen this and when I was liberal, is the harder you go at these conservatives, you know, the more legal troubles they have, the more scandals there are, the more their numbers go because they're right right, and liberals are glue. And also, can we just point out the fact that this man is literally getting called out for doing what having sex. That's cool, the beautiful pornography actress. I mean, that is the cool dream, and that worries me. The guy's aw about De Santis is I don't think he's had sex with a porn star. I worry would hurt De Santis if a sex tape of his god out, Whereas with Trump it's because it would be so boring, so boring, Whereas Trump's would be passed him and his wife, his powerful cock going inside Stormy Daniels, powerful powerful cock. Trump being cock. I mean, you know, his cock looks just like him, sort of a beast and orange. It's just an interesting tan. It's just interesting. And that's the problem with De Santas. He doesn't have that same level of interest. I mean, what crimes is Desanta's even going to commit get a couple of traffic tickets. That wouldn't hurt, but that's not going to have It wouldn't hurt, but it's not going to do the deed. I mean, when you're competing with somebody as corrupt as Donald Trump, you got to bring the heat when it comes to yours. I mean, I just don't know what Ron can do at this point to show he's as big of a badass as Trump. Maybe. And this is interesting, Dan, I'll get your thoughts on this, because Trump had sex. When When did Trump have sex with Stormy Daniels? When did his powerful cock make in a previous to twenty sixteen, previous to the election. It was years, it may have been a decade before. And he paid off that playboy model and McDougall. See Trump is hanging out and paying for sex with these beauts, just smart rather than people. I don't have to be nice to this woman. I don't have to talk to her, try to woo her. All I gotta do is offer some cash and she'll do it. And also, he knows that there's no part of my personality, there's no part of my body, my physical look. There's no way that I'm going to convince this woman to have sex with me unless I pay her a lot of money. And that's when you know you've got a t in the house. A man who has to pay for sex in order to get how much it's worth, but has enough money to do it and pay These top notch people are starting to see the writing on the wall. DeSantis doesn't have the cash to get his wiener inside the porn actress, playboy model. What have you an interesting, Dan that you chose to use the word wiener with Ronda Santis versus cock with Donald Trump, because that's how we think of these two men. Donald Trump has a cock, Ronda Santis has a little slimsy that looks like a guy. I mean, all penises kind of look like Florida. But still all right, Obviously DeSantis and his wiener that he's not going to come up with a controversy that's going to rival Donald Trump. But what are some other type of controversies that Ronda santist can maybe get involved. What really frustrates me right now is that I have traveled with my own funds to the Florida Statehouse to talk to de Santis and his team. They have not allowed me inside. They have not heard me out, even though every day I suggest Ronda Santis choke a celebrity, any kind of celebrity to death on camera to yeah, well, that's I mean to you want you you would be advocating for murder? Then that feels wouldn't that because it isn't murder murder is the original sin. Everything kind of comes back to murder. If run to Santas is indicted, and we all know what that means, right, I gotta say he's going to be able to raise a lot of money. Um, you know I can't condone murder. I think in any that's the difference form I Right, I don't call it for violence. You do, and I think that's murder. It's just one murder is one murder. Violent murder is for these guys, most violent acts. We're not voting for these guys to be our religious leaders, right. I want the country to be run right, like it's like a murderer. You want the country to be run like a murderer. What does that mean? You mean like the brain of a murdering man. So like a serial killer, psychopath. Like you know, people say I want the country to be run like it. I'm saying, you're saying you want the country to be run a murderer, And I'm saying, start small, steal a car. See how the public response. Then if it's positive, then you can work your way up to cocaine. If that's going, well, murder a guy, you know what I mean? Like you can you can kind of take it instead. And I yeah, I mean that's a good strategy. It's and it's going to help you against Trump. And I'm not picking and choosing, you know, I like both guys. I think they have both really great policies. I love Trump's policies. That's one thing I've always loved about his policies. I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. And and and I think the Liberals will regret this. They're gonna regret every realize months from now, a year from now. But yeah, of course they're gonna say, oh god, we put all this time and resources into trying to get this guy fromditted to indicted, and we did it on charges that were flimsy anyway, and just highlighting the fact that he had sex with these beautiful women. And it's like, okay, cool man, lose the election. You just trying to enforce a law. Why why just let him do it? That's what I say, Dan, Let's be honest. We've committed crimes. We've committed crimes in this show. We're trying to sell an unregistered security in man coin. No one's coming after act or so that we know all they shouldn't because it's okay to do a few crimes right. Everyone gets like three or four before it's like a you get a mull again, You get a mull again to right a right, I didn't wrong, and do it again. But then you do it again, you know tax In fact, I would say if I if I meet a man or a woman out here in the real world and they've never committed it, you know they're lying. I don't trust them for a second. You know that if someone says they never committed a crime, you know it's a lie. And Ron de Santis needs to commit a curry fast and out and something gets something on the books. It's hard to believe some of the things that Trump has done, and he only helped him in the polls. Can't wait for him to get indicted in Georgia. Speaking in Georgia and speaking of things that are hard to believe. Dan, we have just an excellent guest on Today's Pretty excellent. Not because it's related to eggs in any way. It's actually related to aliens, Payne Lindsay Fantastic Podcast. Lindsay. I some people would say we could learn from him. I would say he could learn from us in terms of podcasting, and I think he thinks from us. I think we're going to talk to him. He learned a few tactics. Got a new show, High Strange. It's all about alien encounters, the truth behind it, and it's it's really it's really well done. This guy knows how to make people listen just like we do. So again, I think he could learn from us more than we could live from him. But it's a really good interview coming up. Before we get there, Dan, of course, we have to jump into our ads and fantastic. Turn up the volume, guys, as high as you can go, because that means we make more money. Ball as enjoy these ads, and when we come back, we've got Payne Lindsay on the show Our Guest Today is a director, documentary filmmaker, and podcast host of the hit shows Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. His new show, High Strange is a limited UFO audio series that features firsthand accounts of abductions and sightings, archival tape, and sheds light on government secrecy. Payne Lindsay, thank you so much for being on Man Thinkers, Thanks for having me. How are you doing? We're doing well, Payne and we're excited to have you on the show because we've been trying to get an Aliens guy for a long time, and I think we got the perfect Aliens guy. Now. I know you've said before you don't want to be known as the UFO guy, so I change it to Aliens guy. But can you explain what exactly do you mean by that? What do you mean by being labeled? Do you FO guy? And why is that bad in your mind? I mean, you see the names, right, it's a it's kind of a funny thing. It's it's a wild concept. So you have this sort of left field, kind of space cadet vibe with the UFO Alien guy. And uh, you know, some people might not take you as seriously because that's what you're labeled, or that's how you present yourself. You know, there are some good, hard working American UFO guys, So I take a little bit of an offense to that of saying that, you know, some of these guys, some of these alien guys, you know, they're hard working. They're pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, so you know, just remember that they're doing they're doing the real work. I mean, hey, I'll give it to them. They at least laid the foundation for me. So exactly, we owe a lot to these guys. And you know, in discussing aliens on your show, I just want to get this cleared off the bat for our listeners. Um, are you a crazy person? Yes? Yeah? Okay? Because a crazy yeah, absolutely, okay, because that might mess with your credibility, yeah, no it might. Yeah, And honestly, a little advice even if you are crazy, it might help you to say that you're not. You would think, right, right, I mean, hey, I think we're all a little crazy, so that's fair. And again that's fair. Yeah, if you're still alive today, you're crazy. You're a little bit nuts. That's true. There was a lot of reasons to go insane over the past a few years, like Joe Biden sleepy Joe. Have the Aliens mentioned him at all? No, they don't really care about him. Speaking of politics, is there a party that is more shall we say, pro alien or pro UFO Republicans Democrats or is this one of those few issues that really kind of, you know, reaches across the aisle. I mean, I think it does actually reach across the aisle, but it seems like just from looking at the media and the news that it's definitely a more popular Republican thing. I think that's probably because of the notion that some people have on the far right of anything that the government's hiding something from you. And there's probably some truth to that in a lot of what they're saying, but I think that's the sexy part of it. For someone on the far side of anything, it is sexy. Thank you for calling it that. And you know what, I bet there's a lot of people on the far right that would say that the alien and they're sexy. They're nude, they've got big heads and big beautiful eyes, which is really nice because that's what a lot of Hollywood actors have. So what's not to like. I mean, I'm with you there, serious question about that, because I wanted, you know, I was going to work my way into questions about alien sex. But in all honesty, pain given all your research and your investigation, and I listened to the first two episodes of High Strange excellent podcasts everyone should listen to pay for, really really riveting. Well I did you know you could have figured I could listen to the first two well I'm just saying the first two are phrase, So has anyone in your estimation? Has a human being in an alien had sex? Oh? I mean I'd want to say yes, you know, I like you gotta say it all the story specifically, but that's not I have not had sex with an alien. But okay, some people claim they have, so right do we tell you them? I guess is the question? I have not had sex with an alien, and nor have I been abducted? Pain? And I was going to ask you, I'm a little jealous because I am like, what is it about these people who are getting abducted? What do they have that I don't have? So pain? Are you seeing anything in your research? So it's like, oh, it's this type of person or it's this type of situation. How can I better the chances of being abducted myself? I honestly don't know. I think that it's just a wrong place, wrong time, or in this case, the right place at the right time. George spends his summers wandering around the south southwest, yeah, southwest, just in hopes of somebody picking him up. And he has been picked up, but not by aliens, but by often murderous gangs, well yourself in situations. Sure, but I'm still here to talk about it. And that's that's what's important. I mean personally, I believe that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and so being have you talked to anyone who has had an abduction that's life has improved because of it in their minds, because usually the stigma is, you know, you see aliens, they abduct you, and your life is ruined. But what about has somebody walked away from that being like, hey, I'm happier, man, I know about the aliens now I talk to him. It doesn't seem like that. No, it seems like like a definitive life ruiner, mostly because fucking no one's gonna believe you. That's the thing, right, It's like, okay, that's how I feel, and that would just make you insane over the course of your life. A policy on our show believe everyone, and now that of course has a little bit more to do with sexual harassment allegations, is that you always believe when women say that they've been harassed, but you also believe the men when they say I didn't do it. So in this case, you know, you believe the men and women who said that they've been abducted by aliens, and then you believe the aliens who said, hey, I've never been there. We'll see now. But wait a minute, because everyone implies human being. So now we're extending this believe everyone policy. I think it should be universally true. What's the point of having laws if you're not going to have them on different planets. I feel like this space is lawless. It has to be right the Constitution. In my mind, it goes well beyond the Solar system, manifest destiny for the entire Milky Way galaxy, the right to bear arms. Do you think the founding fathers were thinking about those aliens when they were signing that thing? That is a great question. Well, that's why they have the little eye on the pyramid on the money. Well, that brings us. That brings us to an interesting question, pain because how far back you know you start your podcast where like the first significant incident is the Roswell incidents, I believe in nineteen forty seven. But how far back could you have gone? Like, if you wanted to start ancient Greece, could you have Absolutely? Yeah, it goes back as far as you could possibly go. I mean, wow, these sightings if you actually look at them and read them, you know, they're interpreted at the time as you know, as a religious thing. It was an angel, or it was you know, God or whatever it was. But the way they they're describing them, it sounds like it was a spaceship similar to what someone would be claiming to have seen today on Twitter. It seems like the way we talk about UFOs and UFO sightings has changed a lot in the last five years. Right, it seemed like it was always fringe, and now you're seeing kind of a change in narrative a little bit in the mass media. You've got the New York Times writing stories on it, You've got sixteen Minutes doing exposs, You've got congressional hearings. So what is it that happened in the last five years that kind of shifted the conversation. Is there a specific event or something or why has there been a change or do you even agree that there is a change. There's definitely a change. I think it's a combination of a couple of things. I mean, I think the younger generation just doesn't have as much resistance to believing some thing, you know, not entirely proven but possible scientifically. That coupled with credible people military pilots, navy pilots coming forward with crazy and incredible stories of things that they claim defy the laws of physics, and they're saying that they're not ours and they're not any other governments in the world. You kind of tend to want to believe those people. And so if you're open to the idea that there's something else going on that we don't maybe necessarily know entirely about yet, then you would be more receptive at this point, and I think a lot of people. I think a lot of people are in my opinion, the most compelling evidence for UFOs is the fact that governments around the world have just acknowledged that they're real, right, Like, governments have come out and say like, yeah, there are these things. They don't say they're aliens, but they say there's UFOs flying around. We don't know what they are. And I think a lot of people don't know that that that has literally been admitted by various governments. Can you expand on that a little bit, What is like the official stance of the US government or governments around the world, and how do those stances change. Is there a difference between the way we approach UFOs versus Europe and whatnot. The common mis conception is that UFOs and aliens in America is some like American folklore thing, right, you know, Area fifty one and all this stuff and Roswell and it's just kind of like our own thing. And if that was the case, if there was no other country or no other military in the world talking about this seriously, then that would just essentially prove that it's just some myth urban legend here in America, American exceptionalism. But it's just not true. It's it's every country in the world that has a legit military intelligence wing has stories like this and has accounts and has their own records. And I think the other common misconception is that people think the government has all this information and they're hiding it from us. And sure, they're definitely hiding some stuff, but I think the bigger reality are more likely scenarios that they don't know enough to tell you anything, and they don't want to come out and say we don't know what this is. No government for any country wants to come out and say they don't know what something is because people some people look at the government like they want to trust them with everything and they should know these things, and I would just spook people. Let me, I see this paint. You've interviewed so many people, and obviously you did some vetting, right, you want to make sure these people are credible. Also that just intuitively they feel credible to you. But you must have interviewed some people that were just a little batshit crazy, right. Can you tell us about somebody who was just like, yeah, this guy or this gal, From the moment I started talking to him, I knew they were just full shit. Yeah, there's definitely several people that didn't make it into the show because you know, three minutes into our conversation they're just saying stuff that and also like shit, it could be true. They could be totally telling the truth, but it's just it sounds so unbelievable and it just sounds so kooky. Can you give us any details on some of the bat shits, like, I mean what they stuff? Like people who claim that they are in constant communication with extraterrestrials and they have names. This lady presented to me like twenty different names of people and people aliens and their physical descriptions and how often they talk, and that she has some daughter and and some other you know planets. So she had sex. Sounds very credible to me. And I'm like, you know what, what's funny is that she could be actually telling the truth, but it's just so out there that I know. Well, were some of the names. I'm interested to know what aliens are named? Sam Like, literally some of them were like sounded like alien names. One of them was like Steve or something like that. I was like, real, she ran out of ideas. One of them was just a straight up like square. Maybe once they came down, you know, they came down and they met some people, and they met a Steve and said, hey, you know I could be a Steve. I mean, in some ways, if you're an alien name Steve, that's a flex because all your cohorts are named like Slosh and Blourish, and then you're Steve and you just stand out. It's like peacock in the in a bar, you know, you know, yeah, it's it could be badass on a different planet. Absolutely, And that's and that's a goal, you know, for our thinkers out there who are saying, Hey, things are not going great for me on this planet. You could be a stud on another planet that let the aliens give you hope, the coolest kid in the room somewhere else. Let me ask you to pain Why the fuck are the aliens here? Like? Why are they here? Let's just assume they're here, all right. I'm a believer like you. They're here. They're in our skies there, nose diving into our oceans. Who knows what they're up to? But what do you think? I mean, you've talked to more people than anybody else. Why are they here? And why don't they just say hi? Just because they can be? There could be some deeper reason, you know, but I think that there could also not have to be of some amazing reason. Why do we go to the Moon? The hell are we doing there? Why are we trying to go to Mars hoping for gold and water? Because because we can? I buy that. But I'm also like, if that's the reason, why don't they just kind of like say hello? You know what I mean? If there's so many, why don't we can't they just kind of like the alien doesn't want to get to know you, George? If they're this advanced, We're just a little ant hill. They don't need anything from us, They're just looking at us. Is it even anthropomorphic in a way for us to believe that they have any interest in us anyway? I mean, maybe they're interested in other things on Earth. It's a little stubborn and ignorant to think that we're so cool. Well, I worry about even thinking that aliens are so much more advanced than us. I mean, we have look at the technology we have. We've got Tesla's Teslas, Teslas the cybertruck coming out this year. Pain, is it actually going to come out? Why you have to push back on this? I mean, I hope it does. I put in a pre order. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, fine, aliens, maybe you got a better car than we do, but you don't have the thinkers that we do. You don't have an Elon Musk. Who's the Elon Musk of the aliens. I've never heard of them, so they can't be that special. Meanwhile, we've got Elon he owns Twitter. Now that's awesome. That's a flex in itself exactly what I'm very seeing. He says. These aliens, they're not so great a business, and so how could their society be that much more advanced than ours? They've evolved so far that business doesn't really Now you don't have to actually answer that. Let me ask you this pain. Why do they call him UAPs now? And what does UAP stand for? Why not just the good old fashioned UFO? Is it PC? Some PC nonsense? Yeah? Is this woke? Is this the woke mob coming at us? I hate the term. It's annoying. I think it's just a way to distinguish because when you hear uf if you just type in the words UFO, you're going to get a ton of conspiracy documentaries about aliens and you know, just random insane stuff, and so has that kind of connotation to it. UAP is like their military term, their official sexier, buttoned up term for the same exact thing, and it stands for unidentified aerial phenomena YEP. I mean, I don't know, that's nonsense because also phenomena pH makes an f sound. But then you got the PEP. This is just and that's what the problem is now with you got these liberal people in charge of alien investigations. All they're focused on is not offending people I don't care about offending aliens. You shouldn't, thank you. If they're abducting us, they clearly don't care about offending us either. Thank you. Finally, someone I'm going to push back on that, based on some of these encounters that Paying covers in his podcasts and some others that I've read about. I mean, I don't want to piss off any alien. I'll tell you that right now. If the aliens are listening to our podcast, because you know they are, absolutely they want to know how men think exactly. I am your friend. I don't want to upset you. If you're listening, please come take me. I'm good. Are you down? I'm down? I mean, what are you terrified? Yes? What I maybe regret that immediately probably ought to be an opportunist. I'm like, fuck it, take me. You know, recently the US government, we are air Force or Navy pilots. I'm not sure we shot down some you know, quote unquote balloons, right, and some of which they still to this day haven't come out and confirmed. Oh is this man made thing kind of leaving it hanging in the air. But that kind of disgruntled me and Dan because we're thinking these are alien spacecraft, but they get shot down by F eighteen hornets. Like I thought these things were supposed to be so high tech. How is it possible that some of these spacecraft have you know, crashed or been shot down or I mean that doesn't that just imply that these aliens are stupid? I mean, I see the arguments. I think that the only one that I really think is suspicious is the one over Alaska that you know, they don't have any pictures of. They have like four K photos from the cockpit of the other ones. They don't have anything on this one. They claimed that they couldn't recover it, which also is kind of not true, you know, because there's a video of them at the site. They got something right. I think that some of these UFOs UAPs could just be some self like regenerating drone that's like from so far away, from so long ago, that's just doing a thing. It doesn't even it's just kind of serving no purpose anymore. It wasn't really like trying to necessarily defend itself. We're using our most advanced machines. Maybe this thing wasn't really designed to do anything like that. What are your thoughts on this? Whole idea that you know, the US government is trying to reverse engineer alien tech, Like do you think governments have alien tech? Are we working on it? Every important reliable person that I've talked to, as you know, spoke about the rumblings of their being craft that's trying to be reverse engineered and has been for a long time, even down to like where they have it, Like there's like a hangar like in Nevada, like in Vegas that like they're saying, most of these things are we're talking on the strip, we're in Vega, And I bet you they're just sitting there and they have not been able to turn them on since like nineteen sixty and they're still just tinkering with it, or they broke the damn thing by now, but it's sitting there and they know definitively. The fact that they still don't know what it is all these years later means that it definitely wasn't a Russia or China. They don't I don't think they know what to do with it yet. So when people that tell you about about this, I mean, who are these people, Like are these government officials former government officials? Like how high up have you gotten to mostly other like super credible reporters who speak to some of these people in the know, and it's just kind of one of those things where you've heard it from so many different people in places, and there's even sort of, you know, evidence of that if you were to believe ros will happen, then that was one of the first cases of that in our history. It kind of jives with the way that they treat it, that there's all these things that we know, and the reality is that we don't know everything. And that's what we're afraid to tell you, is that there's a lot of shit going on in the universe and there's definitely some other entity or intelligence out there, and we know jack shit about it. That's what they're afraid to tell you. And do you really think that would cause mass panic? Honestly, I don't think so. I mean some people would get spooked. It would definitely have some sort of effect on, you know, the stock market for a little bit. Like everyone's so reactionary to everything anyways, so there would be at some level of that. Also, what are we going to do about it? Nothing? Right, It's not like we're in danger. It's just like a new reality. It's just a new fact that we learned. We've discovered a new animal in the ocean. It's the same kind of idea. And are you ever worried about aliens coming up from underneath the water? I mean some of their machines can go in and out of the water pretty easily, which I guess would make sense if you were trying to hide. It's like cool, like, come catch me. Well, fa teen can't go down into the water, so just hang out right there because we don't know a lot about the oceans either, great place to hide. And we always say to our thinkers, if you're ever on the run, just go to the ocean, just get down to the deck down you know, if you're down there, down there, they're not going to load your breath as long as you can take that big old breath and just wait, wait it out, waited out, just wait it out before we let you go pain. Are there some crazy conspiracy theories that you've gotten to hear from people that you would love to share? We love conspiracy theories, so you knowles, some people might think on this surface, because I've made a podcast about UFOs, you believe them. I'm really kind of the anti conspiracy guy ninety nine percent of the time their bullshit. There's some things that are like, okay, actually, maybe I always thought that Roswell was probably bullshit, But the more I dug into it's real. I mean there's some stuff where definitively something happened here. And even like recently Australia's government declassified this report, you almost forget that other countries, you know, intelligence agencies look at what we were doing like we do with them. So back in like the late sixties seventies, they did their own investigation and their determination was that yeah, a spacecraft probably landed here, they recovered it, well, they tried to cover it up, and they probably have recovered bodies and a craft. That was their military's determination. So where do you think this is all going? I mean, where you know what I mean, like five years from now, is there going to be some big discoveries there gonna be some big reveal or do you think it's just are we just destined for a lifetime of kind of like half facts and oh that's interesting, but who knows. It's definitely gonna be the slow drip. I would be very surprised, but pleasantly surprised if there was a day in history that was major revelation that like, you know, shifted everything. I think it's gonna be a slow drip over time, decades of stuff kind of becoming less taboo, and you start being able to piece together this fact in that fact, and then it's like, okay, you kind of paint the picture yourself. The next big thing is any sort of official military response or statement really kind of from any government that's official that there is literal spacecraft or like physical evidence of something not from Earth that they can present and show. Because seeing is believing, and you think that'll happen in our lifetimes. I think in our lifetime, yes, George might die soon, though I think that in my lifetime it will be common knowledge that there are other species out in the universe that are intelligent, and it might just be that is all we know in our lifetime, but we know that definitively. We just might need to get that info out soon because I am worried about George dying. George goes as falls off the wagon with the drug addictions, and it's not an addiction. I like to experiment with medicines, plant medicines. And my question to you is, did you talk to anybody who encountered aliens? Beings, maybe purple Man and te people that can show you really crazy geometry. When you're high on DMT, everyone keeps going, oh, you know, look up, look up, look up into the sky. I say, look down into your DMTA pipe. All right, look down, take a hit, and you'll meet aliens. Then not everyone is holding a DMTA pipe though, George. That's true. George walks around saying that to people as he's smoking DMT, and it's like, you're the only one doing this. Guys, retain your semen, and then smoking DMT is just a natural second step. You sound like a loose cannon. I am a loose cannon, pain, But you know what, the DMT colms me down. And you know the phrase, A loose cannon always hits its target. So that's right. I agree, And listeners, thinkers check out high Strange. It's out now. It's fantastic. Even if you're a skeptic, you are gonna be entertained and you're and you're not just gonna roll your eyes, you know what I mean. I'm right there with yeah, I'll hold your hand through it. It's just it's it's fun. It's a fun topic to explore in a new way and listening. Guys, we learned so much today, including the benefits of seamen retention. Yet again, I don't know if we ever mentioned we never learned it. We just hear about that. Yes, we just kind of bring a bird circle. Yeah, we heard you say it. We've all kind of agreed over and over. The aliens do that, as does George think we did. Pain Lindsay, thank you so much for being on Man thinkers. We really appreciate your time today. Thank you, guys. This is a blast wow. I mean, honestly, an eerie conversation. I really liked Pain. But but this whole alien thing is it's a lot well, it's hard to even tell if we're talking to the real pain or if we're talking to an alien in a pain costume. And that's interesting because you would think that any human that becomes as big of an expert in the field as mister Pain Lindsay has is going to be targeted by So take that interview with a grain of salt. We don't know what was true and who was being said. I mean a lot of that stuff also could have been fed by the aliens into an earpiece for pain. Lindsay to say, so anytime you thought he sounded smarter than us, think that that all right, that's probably an alien anytime right, exactly we didn't sound good. It's probably the alien. Coherent or interesting? Probably an alien. So but you know what I did like pain. Assuming he was a human, let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. Great guy, great human. And if it was an alien, great alien. It was a great episode all around. We learned a lot. You know. Trump went from dedicted to indicted. Who cares his numbers? And we went from non believer to believer with aliens, who cares? You know, our numbers are up. Gratis on socials, we hope you're having as much fun as we are. And as always, thinkers don't forget to keep thinking, don't stop talking, but keeps thinking.

Wait. Sorry, I'm sorry, sir, you're We just have to wait for George to get in here and then then we could start the show. Sir, what are you talking about? Your face? I'm George, clearly, I'm George. What are you talking about? You know, I'm George Jase. You look rail thin. Yeah, I lost fifteen pounds, but your face, you look you look like my grandfather. The hell happened to you? Had you lose this kind of weight? Ozempic? Are you looking in the mirror? I don't have any mirrors in my home, you know that. I think they're portals to another dimension. I don't trust mirrors. Well, I know, because you're on mushroom so often that you can't look at them. Well, George, you look seventy five years old. No, you know. One of the side effects of a zempic is that your face. You know, you lose so much weight that your face kind of becomes hollowed out and you look old. You look insane. You look like an old crone. No, no, you, I mean I did. Someone did tell me that I look like, you know, like I had some filter on my face on TikTok or something that makes you look like an old man, but I thought they were just crazy and just kind of jealous because I looked so thin. Stop. I can't even stand looking at you. No, so scary azempic face, which is just like a face of a youthful man like you just look so thin and good that you have a zempic face. That's what it means. No, it's not. You really should just quickly look up what it means, and then you would easily disprove what you just said. I'm worried about looking in the mirror now because I don't want to. I don't want to see what you see if it is in fact true. Because I love my body. My body minus my head feels fantastic. I will admit I do feel a little. Your body looks fantastic. I have to say and thank you for being man enough to admit that your face looks like a joke and it's crazy. But someone might like that, so maybe I'm like heroin chic. Then that's okay, oh zepic chic, you know, because now people ever went so proud. You know, Hey I'm fat, I'm proud of it. For some reason, you could say, hey, I'm hideous because I look like an old bag. Then I'm proud of it. Well, that's what I'm saying is you know you look at models these days. I mean I was slipping through the Sports Illustrated the other day and they had these plus size models. Plus I want to exactly, thank you, Dan. Like I want to see skinny people, I want to see good looking people. And it's siguriously if you want to diversify it in terms of the body type, well get an zepic face in there. Someone is lean and mean and looks seventy eight years old on the face. That would be diverse to me is if some one had an ozempic face. Because I that's okay. You're so obsessed with representation, Well then let's represent someone with those epic faces. And George, you know what, if you don't even like your face, guess what, you get a facelift. That's what we have in this country. You have options. Okay, you got the options. You want to facelift or you don't want to facelift. It's a great option. You're listening to The Man Thinkers podcast, a show that forges a new roadmap for the modern man on how to best lived life. I'm George Collins, former liberal cut bole and I'm Dan Finkelstein, a staunch libertarian in cell we think, so you don't have to. You know what else is disgusting? The New York DA Alvin Bragg going after Trump for some I don't even know hush money money? What's wrong with hush money money? Can't be a type of hush I didn't read into it. I don't need to because I know exactly you don't. Don't read the stuff, don't read anything because you know it's a croc stop reading. Trump has been able to not only raise a ton of money since this indictment, but in addition, he has taken the lead in the polls over his rival Ron De Santis. You know, the more you try to hurt this guy, the more he's going to thrive. I mean, and that that's just a fact. And we see that in the numbers. Okay, So he's indicted now, which means what he's no longer you know, dited. Now he's gone from dibted to indicted and means is yes, so what is indicted? When you get indicted? Everyone knows this, you know. And again, I went to law school. I'm an expert. That was twice. That's like one of the first questions on the law school test. What is indictment? And it's been a little while, um since I was there, but what I remember for indictment is, you know, you're at the courthouse, and I think things get sealed unsealed. So there was like an envelope and they maybe they gave it to Trump or something, and he so the process, what's kind of the process of going from diicted in direct that's where it gets murged. Well, and that's where and I think it's meant to be. I think that's part of the it's always meant to be a little murky. That's part of the law. That's how the law works. It's just the gears low gears of justice. There is something gets unsealed, a document, Trump some sort of has it. Now he has the document indictment, and so that therefore is indictment. He's in on the diet. He's been as well. He's indicted to it. He's indoctrinated in the indictment. So he and Alvin Bragg are in agreement in regards to thedictment. And until he it's really just a conversation. It's just a conversation. And that's what we're doing here. Our show is essentially an indictment, an indictment, and guess what, it's only helped this, It's only helped Trump. He's only gotten bigger or stronger. He's doing in a superpower. And that actually is my big question for today. Do all women wish they were their own feces cure aunted? Would children be safer if everyone's stopped having sechio Biden will be the first ghost press washing your hands actually bad for wire? Aunt House is so scary. Is Ronda Santis going to have to be indicted for a crime in order to get his poll numbers up? Should I? Well, that's an interesting question, Dan, that's really interesting, and it's really well phrased because, as you know, should I rephrase it because indicted right in order to when the president catch up to Trump? Yes? Because what we're seeing right now, Dan, and I know you've seen this and when I was liberal, is the harder you go at these conservatives, you know, the more legal troubles they have, the more scandals there are, the more their numbers go because they're right right, and liberals are glue. And also, can we just point out the fact that this man is literally getting called out for doing what having sex. That's cool, the beautiful pornography actress. I mean, that is the cool dream, and that worries me. The guy's aw about De Santis is I don't think he's had sex with a porn star. I worry would hurt De Santis if a sex tape of his god out, Whereas with Trump it's because it would be so boring, so boring, Whereas Trump's would be passed him and his wife, his powerful cock going inside Stormy Daniels, powerful powerful cock. Trump being cock. I mean, you know, his cock looks just like him, sort of a beast and orange. It's just an interesting tan. It's just interesting. And that's the problem with De Santas. He doesn't have that same level of interest. I mean, what crimes is Desanta's even going to commit get a couple of traffic tickets. That wouldn't hurt, but that's not going to have It wouldn't hurt, but it's not going to do the deed. I mean, when you're competing with somebody as corrupt as Donald Trump, you got to bring the heat when it comes to yours. I mean, I just don't know what Ron can do at this point to show he's as big of a badass as Trump. Maybe. And this is interesting, Dan, I'll get your thoughts on this, because Trump had sex. When When did Trump have sex with Stormy Daniels? When did his powerful cock make in a previous to twenty sixteen, previous to the election. It was years, it may have been a decade before. And he paid off that playboy model and McDougall. See Trump is hanging out and paying for sex with these beauts, just smart rather than people. I don't have to be nice to this woman. I don't have to talk to her, try to woo her. All I gotta do is offer some cash and she'll do it. And also, he knows that there's no part of my personality, there's no part of my body, my physical look. There's no way that I'm going to convince this woman to have sex with me unless I pay her a lot of money. And that's when you know you've got a t in the house. A man who has to pay for sex in order to get how much it's worth, but has enough money to do it and pay These top notch people are starting to see the writing on the wall. DeSantis doesn't have the cash to get his wiener inside the porn actress, playboy model. What have you an interesting, Dan that you chose to use the word wiener with Ronda Santis versus cock with Donald Trump, because that's how we think of these two men. Donald Trump has a cock, Ronda Santis has a little slimsy that looks like a guy. I mean, all penises kind of look like Florida. But still all right, Obviously DeSantis and his wiener that he's not going to come up with a controversy that's going to rival Donald Trump. But what are some other type of controversies that Ronda santist can maybe get involved. What really frustrates me right now is that I have traveled with my own funds to the Florida Statehouse to talk to de Santis and his team. They have not allowed me inside. They have not heard me out, even though every day I suggest Ronda Santis choke a celebrity, any kind of celebrity to death on camera to yeah, well, that's I mean to you want you you would be advocating for murder? Then that feels wouldn't that because it isn't murder murder is the original sin. Everything kind of comes back to murder. If run to Santas is indicted, and we all know what that means, right, I gotta say he's going to be able to raise a lot of money. Um, you know I can't condone murder. I think in any that's the difference form I Right, I don't call it for violence. You do, and I think that's murder. It's just one murder is one murder. Violent murder is for these guys, most violent acts. We're not voting for these guys to be our religious leaders, right. I want the country to be run right, like it's like a murderer. You want the country to be run like a murderer. What does that mean? You mean like the brain of a murdering man. So like a serial killer, psychopath. Like you know, people say I want the country to be run like it. I'm saying, you're saying you want the country to be run a murderer, And I'm saying, start small, steal a car. See how the public response. Then if it's positive, then you can work your way up to cocaine. If that's going, well, murder a guy, you know what I mean? Like you can you can kind of take it instead. And I yeah, I mean that's a good strategy. It's and it's going to help you against Trump. And I'm not picking and choosing, you know, I like both guys. I think they have both really great policies. I love Trump's policies. That's one thing I've always loved about his policies. I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. And and and I think the Liberals will regret this. They're gonna regret every realize months from now, a year from now. But yeah, of course they're gonna say, oh god, we put all this time and resources into trying to get this guy fromditted to indicted, and we did it on charges that were flimsy anyway, and just highlighting the fact that he had sex with these beautiful women. And it's like, okay, cool man, lose the election. You just trying to enforce a law. Why why just let him do it? That's what I say, Dan, Let's be honest. We've committed crimes. We've committed crimes in this show. We're trying to sell an unregistered security in man coin. No one's coming after act or so that we know all they shouldn't because it's okay to do a few crimes right. Everyone gets like three or four before it's like a you get a mull again, You get a mull again to right a right, I didn't wrong, and do it again. But then you do it again, you know tax In fact, I would say if I if I meet a man or a woman out here in the real world and they've never committed it, you know they're lying. I don't trust them for a second. You know that if someone says they never committed a crime, you know it's a lie. And Ron de Santis needs to commit a curry fast and out and something gets something on the books. It's hard to believe some of the things that Trump has done, and he only helped him in the polls. Can't wait for him to get indicted in Georgia. Speaking in Georgia and speaking of things that are hard to believe. Dan, we have just an excellent guest on Today's Pretty excellent. Not because it's related to eggs in any way. It's actually related to aliens, Payne Lindsay Fantastic Podcast. Lindsay. I some people would say we could learn from him. I would say he could learn from us in terms of podcasting, and I think he thinks from us. I think we're going to talk to him. He learned a few tactics. Got a new show, High Strange. It's all about alien encounters, the truth behind it, and it's it's really it's really well done. This guy knows how to make people listen just like we do. So again, I think he could learn from us more than we could live from him. But it's a really good interview coming up. Before we get there, Dan, of course, we have to jump into our ads and fantastic. Turn up the volume, guys, as high as you can go, because that means we make more money. Ball as enjoy these ads, and when we come back, we've got Payne Lindsay on the show Our Guest Today is a director, documentary filmmaker, and podcast host of the hit shows Up and Vanished and Atlanta Monster. His new show, High Strange is a limited UFO audio series that features firsthand accounts of abductions and sightings, archival tape, and sheds light on government secrecy. Payne Lindsay, thank you so much for being on Man Thinkers, Thanks for having me. How are you doing? We're doing well, Payne and we're excited to have you on the show because we've been trying to get an Aliens guy for a long time, and I think we got the perfect Aliens guy. Now. I know you've said before you don't want to be known as the UFO guy, so I change it to Aliens guy. But can you explain what exactly do you mean by that? What do you mean by being labeled? Do you FO guy? And why is that bad in your mind? I mean, you see the names, right, it's a it's kind of a funny thing. It's it's a wild concept. So you have this sort of left field, kind of space cadet vibe with the UFO Alien guy. And uh, you know, some people might not take you as seriously because that's what you're labeled, or that's how you present yourself. You know, there are some good, hard working American UFO guys, So I take a little bit of an offense to that of saying that, you know, some of these guys, some of these alien guys, you know, they're hard working. They're pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, so you know, just remember that they're doing they're doing the real work. I mean, hey, I'll give it to them. They at least laid the foundation for me. So exactly, we owe a lot to these guys. And you know, in discussing aliens on your show, I just want to get this cleared off the bat for our listeners. Um, are you a crazy person? Yes? Yeah? Okay? Because a crazy yeah, absolutely, okay, because that might mess with your credibility, yeah, no it might. Yeah, And honestly, a little advice even if you are crazy, it might help you to say that you're not. You would think, right, right, I mean, hey, I think we're all a little crazy, so that's fair. And again that's fair. Yeah, if you're still alive today, you're crazy. You're a little bit nuts. That's true. There was a lot of reasons to go insane over the past a few years, like Joe Biden sleepy Joe. Have the Aliens mentioned him at all? No, they don't really care about him. Speaking of politics, is there a party that is more shall we say, pro alien or pro UFO Republicans Democrats or is this one of those few issues that really kind of, you know, reaches across the aisle. I mean, I think it does actually reach across the aisle, but it seems like just from looking at the media and the news that it's definitely a more popular Republican thing. I think that's probably because of the notion that some people have on the far right of anything that the government's hiding something from you. And there's probably some truth to that in a lot of what they're saying, but I think that's the sexy part of it. For someone on the far side of anything, it is sexy. Thank you for calling it that. And you know what, I bet there's a lot of people on the far right that would say that the alien and they're sexy. They're nude, they've got big heads and big beautiful eyes, which is really nice because that's what a lot of Hollywood actors have. So what's not to like. I mean, I'm with you there, serious question about that, because I wanted, you know, I was going to work my way into questions about alien sex. But in all honesty, pain given all your research and your investigation, and I listened to the first two episodes of High Strange excellent podcasts everyone should listen to pay for, really really riveting. Well I did you know you could have figured I could listen to the first two well I'm just saying the first two are phrase, So has anyone in your estimation? Has a human being in an alien had sex? Oh? I mean I'd want to say yes, you know, I like you gotta say it all the story specifically, but that's not I have not had sex with an alien. But okay, some people claim they have, so right do we tell you them? I guess is the question? I have not had sex with an alien, and nor have I been abducted? Pain? And I was going to ask you, I'm a little jealous because I am like, what is it about these people who are getting abducted? What do they have that I don't have? So pain? Are you seeing anything in your research? So it's like, oh, it's this type of person or it's this type of situation. How can I better the chances of being abducted myself? I honestly don't know. I think that it's just a wrong place, wrong time, or in this case, the right place at the right time. George spends his summers wandering around the south southwest, yeah, southwest, just in hopes of somebody picking him up. And he has been picked up, but not by aliens, but by often murderous gangs, well yourself in situations. Sure, but I'm still here to talk about it. And that's that's what's important. I mean personally, I believe that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and so being have you talked to anyone who has had an abduction that's life has improved because of it in their minds, because usually the stigma is, you know, you see aliens, they abduct you, and your life is ruined. But what about has somebody walked away from that being like, hey, I'm happier, man, I know about the aliens now I talk to him. It doesn't seem like that. No, it seems like like a definitive life ruiner, mostly because fucking no one's gonna believe you. That's the thing, right, It's like, okay, that's how I feel, and that would just make you insane over the course of your life. A policy on our show believe everyone, and now that of course has a little bit more to do with sexual harassment allegations, is that you always believe when women say that they've been harassed, but you also believe the men when they say I didn't do it. So in this case, you know, you believe the men and women who said that they've been abducted by aliens, and then you believe the aliens who said, hey, I've never been there. We'll see now. But wait a minute, because everyone implies human being. So now we're extending this believe everyone policy. I think it should be universally true. What's the point of having laws if you're not going to have them on different planets. I feel like this space is lawless. It has to be right the Constitution. In my mind, it goes well beyond the Solar system, manifest destiny for the entire Milky Way galaxy, the right to bear arms. Do you think the founding fathers were thinking about those aliens when they were signing that thing? That is a great question. Well, that's why they have the little eye on the pyramid on the money. Well, that brings us. That brings us to an interesting question, pain because how far back you know you start your podcast where like the first significant incident is the Roswell incidents, I believe in nineteen forty seven. But how far back could you have gone? Like, if you wanted to start ancient Greece, could you have Absolutely? Yeah, it goes back as far as you could possibly go. I mean, wow, these sightings if you actually look at them and read them, you know, they're interpreted at the time as you know, as a religious thing. It was an angel, or it was you know, God or whatever it was. But the way they they're describing them, it sounds like it was a spaceship similar to what someone would be claiming to have seen today on Twitter. It seems like the way we talk about UFOs and UFO sightings has changed a lot in the last five years. Right, it seemed like it was always fringe, and now you're seeing kind of a change in narrative a little bit in the mass media. You've got the New York Times writing stories on it, You've got sixteen Minutes doing exposs, You've got congressional hearings. So what is it that happened in the last five years that kind of shifted the conversation. Is there a specific event or something or why has there been a change or do you even agree that there is a change. There's definitely a change. I think it's a combination of a couple of things. I mean, I think the younger generation just doesn't have as much resistance to believing some thing, you know, not entirely proven but possible scientifically. That coupled with credible people military pilots, navy pilots coming forward with crazy and incredible stories of things that they claim defy the laws of physics, and they're saying that they're not ours and they're not any other governments in the world. You kind of tend to want to believe those people. And so if you're open to the idea that there's something else going on that we don't maybe necessarily know entirely about yet, then you would be more receptive at this point, and I think a lot of people. I think a lot of people are in my opinion, the most compelling evidence for UFOs is the fact that governments around the world have just acknowledged that they're real, right, Like, governments have come out and say like, yeah, there are these things. They don't say they're aliens, but they say there's UFOs flying around. We don't know what they are. And I think a lot of people don't know that that that has literally been admitted by various governments. Can you expand on that a little bit, What is like the official stance of the US government or governments around the world, and how do those stances change. Is there a difference between the way we approach UFOs versus Europe and whatnot. The common mis conception is that UFOs and aliens in America is some like American folklore thing, right, you know, Area fifty one and all this stuff and Roswell and it's just kind of like our own thing. And if that was the case, if there was no other country or no other military in the world talking about this seriously, then that would just essentially prove that it's just some myth urban legend here in America, American exceptionalism. But it's just not true. It's it's every country in the world that has a legit military intelligence wing has stories like this and has accounts and has their own records. And I think the other common misconception is that people think the government has all this information and they're hiding it from us. And sure, they're definitely hiding some stuff, but I think the bigger reality are more likely scenarios that they don't know enough to tell you anything, and they don't want to come out and say we don't know what this is. No government for any country wants to come out and say they don't know what something is because people some people look at the government like they want to trust them with everything and they should know these things, and I would just spook people. Let me, I see this paint. You've interviewed so many people, and obviously you did some vetting, right, you want to make sure these people are credible. Also that just intuitively they feel credible to you. But you must have interviewed some people that were just a little batshit crazy, right. Can you tell us about somebody who was just like, yeah, this guy or this gal, From the moment I started talking to him, I knew they were just full shit. Yeah, there's definitely several people that didn't make it into the show because you know, three minutes into our conversation they're just saying stuff that and also like shit, it could be true. They could be totally telling the truth, but it's just it sounds so unbelievable and it just sounds so kooky. Can you give us any details on some of the bat shits, like, I mean what they stuff? Like people who claim that they are in constant communication with extraterrestrials and they have names. This lady presented to me like twenty different names of people and people aliens and their physical descriptions and how often they talk, and that she has some daughter and and some other you know planets. So she had sex. Sounds very credible to me. And I'm like, you know what, what's funny is that she could be actually telling the truth, but it's just so out there that I know. Well, were some of the names. I'm interested to know what aliens are named? Sam Like, literally some of them were like sounded like alien names. One of them was like Steve or something like that. I was like, real, she ran out of ideas. One of them was just a straight up like square. Maybe once they came down, you know, they came down and they met some people, and they met a Steve and said, hey, you know I could be a Steve. I mean, in some ways, if you're an alien name Steve, that's a flex because all your cohorts are named like Slosh and Blourish, and then you're Steve and you just stand out. It's like peacock in the in a bar, you know, you know, yeah, it's it could be badass on a different planet. Absolutely, And that's and that's a goal, you know, for our thinkers out there who are saying, Hey, things are not going great for me on this planet. You could be a stud on another planet that let the aliens give you hope, the coolest kid in the room somewhere else. Let me ask you to pain Why the fuck are the aliens here? Like? Why are they here? Let's just assume they're here, all right. I'm a believer like you. They're here. They're in our skies there, nose diving into our oceans. Who knows what they're up to? But what do you think? I mean, you've talked to more people than anybody else. Why are they here? And why don't they just say hi? Just because they can be? There could be some deeper reason, you know, but I think that there could also not have to be of some amazing reason. Why do we go to the Moon? The hell are we doing there? Why are we trying to go to Mars hoping for gold and water? Because because we can? I buy that. But I'm also like, if that's the reason, why don't they just kind of like say hello? You know what I mean? If there's so many, why don't we can't they just kind of like the alien doesn't want to get to know you, George? If they're this advanced, We're just a little ant hill. They don't need anything from us, They're just looking at us. Is it even anthropomorphic in a way for us to believe that they have any interest in us anyway? I mean, maybe they're interested in other things on Earth. It's a little stubborn and ignorant to think that we're so cool. Well, I worry about even thinking that aliens are so much more advanced than us. I mean, we have look at the technology we have. We've got Tesla's Teslas, Teslas the cybertruck coming out this year. Pain, is it actually going to come out? Why you have to push back on this? I mean, I hope it does. I put in a pre order. I mean, here's the thing. Okay, fine, aliens, maybe you got a better car than we do, but you don't have the thinkers that we do. You don't have an Elon Musk. Who's the Elon Musk of the aliens. I've never heard of them, so they can't be that special. Meanwhile, we've got Elon he owns Twitter. Now that's awesome. That's a flex in itself exactly what I'm very seeing. He says. These aliens, they're not so great a business, and so how could their society be that much more advanced than ours? They've evolved so far that business doesn't really Now you don't have to actually answer that. Let me ask you this pain. Why do they call him UAPs now? And what does UAP stand for? Why not just the good old fashioned UFO? Is it PC? Some PC nonsense? Yeah? Is this woke? Is this the woke mob coming at us? I hate the term. It's annoying. I think it's just a way to distinguish because when you hear uf if you just type in the words UFO, you're going to get a ton of conspiracy documentaries about aliens and you know, just random insane stuff, and so has that kind of connotation to it. UAP is like their military term, their official sexier, buttoned up term for the same exact thing, and it stands for unidentified aerial phenomena YEP. I mean, I don't know, that's nonsense because also phenomena pH makes an f sound. But then you got the PEP. This is just and that's what the problem is now with you got these liberal people in charge of alien investigations. All they're focused on is not offending people I don't care about offending aliens. You shouldn't, thank you. If they're abducting us, they clearly don't care about offending us either. Thank you. Finally, someone I'm going to push back on that, based on some of these encounters that Paying covers in his podcasts and some others that I've read about. I mean, I don't want to piss off any alien. I'll tell you that right now. If the aliens are listening to our podcast, because you know they are, absolutely they want to know how men think exactly. I am your friend. I don't want to upset you. If you're listening, please come take me. I'm good. Are you down? I'm down? I mean, what are you terrified? Yes? What I maybe regret that immediately probably ought to be an opportunist. I'm like, fuck it, take me. You know, recently the US government, we are air Force or Navy pilots. I'm not sure we shot down some you know, quote unquote balloons, right, and some of which they still to this day haven't come out and confirmed. Oh is this man made thing kind of leaving it hanging in the air. But that kind of disgruntled me and Dan because we're thinking these are alien spacecraft, but they get shot down by F eighteen hornets. Like I thought these things were supposed to be so high tech. How is it possible that some of these spacecraft have you know, crashed or been shot down or I mean that doesn't that just imply that these aliens are stupid? I mean, I see the arguments. I think that the only one that I really think is suspicious is the one over Alaska that you know, they don't have any pictures of. They have like four K photos from the cockpit of the other ones. They don't have anything on this one. They claimed that they couldn't recover it, which also is kind of not true, you know, because there's a video of them at the site. They got something right. I think that some of these UFOs UAPs could just be some self like regenerating drone that's like from so far away, from so long ago, that's just doing a thing. It doesn't even it's just kind of serving no purpose anymore. It wasn't really like trying to necessarily defend itself. We're using our most advanced machines. Maybe this thing wasn't really designed to do anything like that. What are your thoughts on this? Whole idea that you know, the US government is trying to reverse engineer alien tech, Like do you think governments have alien tech? Are we working on it? Every important reliable person that I've talked to, as you know, spoke about the rumblings of their being craft that's trying to be reverse engineered and has been for a long time, even down to like where they have it, Like there's like a hangar like in Nevada, like in Vegas that like they're saying, most of these things are we're talking on the strip, we're in Vega, And I bet you they're just sitting there and they have not been able to turn them on since like nineteen sixty and they're still just tinkering with it, or they broke the damn thing by now, but it's sitting there and they know definitively. The fact that they still don't know what it is all these years later means that it definitely wasn't a Russia or China. They don't I don't think they know what to do with it yet. So when people that tell you about about this, I mean, who are these people, Like are these government officials former government officials? Like how high up have you gotten to mostly other like super credible reporters who speak to some of these people in the know, and it's just kind of one of those things where you've heard it from so many different people in places, and there's even sort of, you know, evidence of that if you were to believe ros will happen, then that was one of the first cases of that in our history. It kind of jives with the way that they treat it, that there's all these things that we know, and the reality is that we don't know everything. And that's what we're afraid to tell you, is that there's a lot of shit going on in the universe and there's definitely some other entity or intelligence out there, and we know jack shit about it. That's what they're afraid to tell you. And do you really think that would cause mass panic? Honestly, I don't think so. I mean some people would get spooked. It would definitely have some sort of effect on, you know, the stock market for a little bit. Like everyone's so reactionary to everything anyways, so there would be at some level of that. Also, what are we going to do about it? Nothing? Right, It's not like we're in danger. It's just like a new reality. It's just a new fact that we learned. We've discovered a new animal in the ocean. It's the same kind of idea. And are you ever worried about aliens coming up from underneath the water? I mean some of their machines can go in and out of the water pretty easily, which I guess would make sense if you were trying to hide. It's like cool, like, come catch me. Well, fa teen can't go down into the water, so just hang out right there because we don't know a lot about the oceans either, great place to hide. And we always say to our thinkers, if you're ever on the run, just go to the ocean, just get down to the deck down you know, if you're down there, down there, they're not going to load your breath as long as you can take that big old breath and just wait, wait it out, waited out, just wait it out before we let you go pain. Are there some crazy conspiracy theories that you've gotten to hear from people that you would love to share? We love conspiracy theories, so you knowles, some people might think on this surface, because I've made a podcast about UFOs, you believe them. I'm really kind of the anti conspiracy guy ninety nine percent of the time their bullshit. There's some things that are like, okay, actually, maybe I always thought that Roswell was probably bullshit, But the more I dug into it's real. I mean there's some stuff where definitively something happened here. And even like recently Australia's government declassified this report, you almost forget that other countries, you know, intelligence agencies look at what we were doing like we do with them. So back in like the late sixties seventies, they did their own investigation and their determination was that yeah, a spacecraft probably landed here, they recovered it, well, they tried to cover it up, and they probably have recovered bodies and a craft. That was their military's determination. So where do you think this is all going? I mean, where you know what I mean, like five years from now, is there going to be some big discoveries there gonna be some big reveal or do you think it's just are we just destined for a lifetime of kind of like half facts and oh that's interesting, but who knows. It's definitely gonna be the slow drip. I would be very surprised, but pleasantly surprised if there was a day in history that was major revelation that like, you know, shifted everything. I think it's gonna be a slow drip over time, decades of stuff kind of becoming less taboo, and you start being able to piece together this fact in that fact, and then it's like, okay, you kind of paint the picture yourself. The next big thing is any sort of official military response or statement really kind of from any government that's official that there is literal spacecraft or like physical evidence of something not from Earth that they can present and show. Because seeing is believing, and you think that'll happen in our lifetimes. I think in our lifetime, yes, George might die soon, though I think that in my lifetime it will be common knowledge that there are other species out in the universe that are intelligent, and it might just be that is all we know in our lifetime, but we know that definitively. We just might need to get that info out soon because I am worried about George dying. George goes as falls off the wagon with the drug addictions, and it's not an addiction. I like to experiment with medicines, plant medicines. And my question to you is, did you talk to anybody who encountered aliens? Beings, maybe purple Man and te people that can show you really crazy geometry. When you're high on DMT, everyone keeps going, oh, you know, look up, look up, look up into the sky. I say, look down into your DMTA pipe. All right, look down, take a hit, and you'll meet aliens. Then not everyone is holding a DMTA pipe though, George. That's true. George walks around saying that to people as he's smoking DMT, and it's like, you're the only one doing this. Guys, retain your semen, and then smoking DMT is just a natural second step. You sound like a loose cannon. I am a loose cannon, pain, But you know what, the DMT colms me down. And you know the phrase, A loose cannon always hits its target. So that's right. I agree, And listeners, thinkers check out high Strange. It's out now. It's fantastic. Even if you're a skeptic, you are gonna be entertained and you're and you're not just gonna roll your eyes, you know what I mean. I'm right there with yeah, I'll hold your hand through it. It's just it's it's fun. It's a fun topic to explore in a new way and listening. Guys, we learned so much today, including the benefits of seamen retention. Yet again, I don't know if we ever mentioned we never learned it. We just hear about that. Yes, we just kind of bring a bird circle. Yeah, we heard you say it. We've all kind of agreed over and over. The aliens do that, as does George think we did. Pain Lindsay, thank you so much for being on Man thinkers. We really appreciate your time today. Thank you, guys. This is a blast wow. I mean, honestly, an eerie conversation. I really liked Pain. But but this whole alien thing is it's a lot well, it's hard to even tell if we're talking to the real pain or if we're talking to an alien in a pain costume. And that's interesting because you would think that any human that becomes as big of an expert in the field as mister Pain Lindsay has is going to be targeted by So take that interview with a grain of salt. We don't know what was true and who was being said. I mean a lot of that stuff also could have been fed by the aliens into an earpiece for pain. Lindsay to say, so anytime you thought he sounded smarter than us, think that that all right, that's probably an alien anytime right, exactly we didn't sound good. It's probably the alien. Coherent or interesting? Probably an alien. So but you know what I did like pain. Assuming he was a human, let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. Great guy, great human. And if it was an alien, great alien. It was a great episode all around. We learned a lot. You know. Trump went from dedicted to indicted. Who cares his numbers? And we went from non believer to believer with aliens, who cares? You know, our numbers are up. Gratis on socials, we hope you're having as much fun as we are. And as always, thinkers don't forget to keep thinking, don't stop talking, but keeps thinking.