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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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Mia & Amelia are (still) obsessed with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy (CBK) so they’re back for Part 2 of their deep dive into the TV series Love Story.

From Naomi Watts’ depiction of real-life icon Jackie O to the complex roles of Darryl Hannah and the Kennedy matriarchs, they’re unpacking what it must have been like to marry into the complicated Kennedy family.

Plus, Mia and Amelia examine the toxic dynamics that defined the couple’s public life and break down that infamous Central Park fight scene. Was it a moment of passion, or was it "emotional dysregulation"? 

They also discuss the poignant newsletter from the couple’s close friend Carole Radziwill, who explains why she refuses to watch the show and the unsettling question of whether why the dead are never allowed to rest in peace in the age of AI. 

It’s a raw and slightly uncomfortable look at how we consume the tragedies of the past as modern entertainment.

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Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.
This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.
JFK cheated on his wife Jackie for years. She was 'paid to keep it quiet'.
'My first salary was $12k.' Working in magazines was like the real-life Devil Wears Prada.

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Mia &amp; Amelia are (still) obsessed with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy (CBK) so they&rsquo;re back for Part 2 of their deep dive into the TV series Love Story.
From Naomi Watts&rsquo; depiction of real-life icon Jackie O to the complex roles of Darryl Hannah and the Kennedy matriarchs, they&rsquo;re unpacking what it must have been like to marry into the complicated Kennedy family.
Plus, Mia and Amelia examine the toxic dynamics that defined the couple&rsquo;s public life and break down that infamous Central Park fight scene. Was it a moment of passion, or was it "emotional dysregulation"?&nbsp;
They also discuss the poignant newsletter from the couple&rsquo;s close friend Carole Radziwill, who explains why she refuses to watch the show and the unsettling question of whether why the dead are never allowed to rest in peace in the age of AI.&nbsp;
It&rsquo;s a raw and slightly uncomfortable look at how we consume the tragedies of the past as modern entertainment.
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=instagram&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=feed">subscribers </a>at 5pm.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to Part 1: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-carolyn-bessette-kennedy-jfk-love-story/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia &amp; Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">&nbsp;Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andrew-scandal-royal-ascot-princesses-snub/">Uninvited Princesses &amp; The Dating Story We're Yearning For</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-the-three-questions-you-should-ask-on-a-first/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/next-top-model-documentary-tyra-banks-controversy/">The Next Top Model Reckoning &amp; Jessie's Very Honest Handover</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-jameela-jamil-epstein-beauty-standards/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-manosphere-groom-tyson">"I'm A Working Mum &amp; I Just Want To Quit"</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andrew-arrest-prince-william/">Prince William Has Entered The Chat</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/anna-wintour-chloe-malle-vogue/">The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/carolyn-bessette-kennedy/">Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/love-story-john-f-kennedy-carolyn-bessette-review/">This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jfk-wife-jackie-kennedy/">JFK cheated on his wife Jackie for years. She was 'paid to keep it quiet'.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/90s-magazines-australia/">'My first salary was $12k.' Working in magazines was like the real-life Devil Wears Prada.</a></li>
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America and Israel have launched an attack on Iran, and while the world watches the fallout of "Epic Fury," we’re looking at what comes next.  Our Amelia Lester, also an editor at Foreign Policy, is here to explain why the US acted without Congress, why Australia is one of the few Western voices in support, and whether this is the kind of international meddling Donald Trump promised to avoid?

Plus, Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jnr’s Love Story has triggered a wave of nostalgia for those who lived through the 90s, and 'fauxstalgia' for those who like to imagine a world that didn't involve an endless scroll. Clare Stephens wants to know what life was like when we lived with two hands, and not with one constantly on our phones.

And, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie have been snubbed, finding themselves uninvited from a major royal event. So are they being punished for the sins of their parents, or, Holly Wainwright wants to know, is this the beginning of William’s royal trim down?

Also, we’ve got the definitive list of songs NOT to listen to when you’re driving. 

And… Bad Bunny, Harry Styles and the ridiculous joy of watching men dance.

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Listen to our latest episode: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
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Listen: Mia & Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Listen: The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section
Listen: 'Prince' Andrew's Arrest Is Not What You Think It Is
Listen: Angelina Jolie & The Existential Threat Of Desirable Older Women
Listen: MAFS & The Specific Cruelty of the ‘Sexual Chemistry’ Question
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'One moment during the Super Bowl halftime show brought me to tears.'
Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.
This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.
'Everyone is nostalgic for 2016. But I can't romanticise a place I barely escaped.'
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Prince' Andrew's arrest is not what you think it is.
Listen to The Quicky:The US & Israel Have Struck Iran Killing The Supreme Leader. What Happens Next? 

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America and Israel have launched an attack on Iran, and while the world watches the fallout of "Epic Fury," we&rsquo;re looking at what comes next.&nbsp; Our Amelia Lester, also an editor at Foreign Policy, is here to explain why the US acted without Congress, why Australia is one of the few Western voices in support, and whether this is the kind of international meddling Donald Trump promised to avoid?
Plus, Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jnr&rsquo;s&nbsp;Love Story has triggered a wave of nostalgia for those who lived through the 90s, and 'fauxstalgia' for those who like to imagine a world that didn't involve an endless scroll. Clare Stephens wants to know what life was like when we lived with two hands, and not with one constantly on our phones.
And, Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie have been snubbed, finding themselves uninvited from a major royal event. So are they being punished for the sins of their parents, or, Holly Wainwright wants to know, is this the beginning of William&rsquo;s royal trim down?
Also, we&rsquo;ve got the definitive list of songs NOT to listen to when you&rsquo;re driving.&nbsp;
And&hellip; Bad Bunny, Harry Styles and the ridiculous joy of watching men dance.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/next-top-model-documentary-tyra-banks-controversy/">The Next Top Model Reckoning &amp; Jessie's Very Honest Handover</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-jameela-jamil-epstein-beauty-standards/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-manosphere-groom-tyson">"I'm A Working Mum &amp; I Just Want To Quit"</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-carolyn-bessette-kennedy-jfk-love-story/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Mia &amp; Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andrew-arrest-prince-william/">Prince William Has Entered The Chat</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-sexual-chemistry/">MAFS &amp; The Specific Cruelty of the &lsquo;Sexual Chemistry&rsquo; Question</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/carolyn-bessette-kennedy/">Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/love-story-john-f-kennedy-carolyn-bessette-review/">This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/2016-trend-my-story/">'Everyone is nostalgic for 2016. But I can't romanticise a place I barely escaped.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/prince-andrew-arrested/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Prince' Andrew's arrest is not what you think it is.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to The Quicky: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/the-quicky/iran-israel-bombing">The US &amp; Israel Have Struck Iran Killing The Supreme Leader. What Happens Next?</a>&nbsp;</li>
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It’s the season to blame Tyra. Netflix’s new America’s Next Top Model doco has us spiraling back to 2003. It shows us the size-zero era through a 2026 lens, when Tyra Banks was breaking barriers while also showcasing some of the show's seriously batshit behaviour —from models posing as murder victims to 'makeovers' that involved pulling teeth. Now we’re in the MAFS era Clare Stephens wants to know: is every generation’s reality TV show of choice just programmed to prompt outrage? 

Also, today is Jessie’s last day before she goes off on maternity leave. But not before a chaotic handover to her twin, Clare. As Clare prepares to take the seat, she’s re-learning the 'rules' of being an Out Loud host. 

In other business, does your personality need a mini-makeover of its own? We’re talking 'micro-reinvention' — not big deals like quitting your job; more small shifts like adopting a signature condiment or finally becoming a 'Pilates person'. Holly, for instance, is wearing brown. Big deal. Huge. 

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Recommendations

Clare recommends the "Brick"—a physical device that locks you out of your apps to fight phone addiction.

Jessie recommends L’Occitane Osmanthus Abricot shower gel or DedCool Taunt Hand and Body Wash for the ultimate vibe shift.

Holly recommends Eric Dane: Famous Last Words on Netflix—a raw interview with a man who has nothing left to lose.

What To Listen To Next: 
Listen to our latest episode: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Mia & Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Listen: The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section
Listen: 'Prince' Andrew's Arrest Is Not What You Think It Is
Listen: Angelina Jolie & The Existential Threat Of Desirable Older Women
Listen: MAFS & The Specific Cruelty of the ‘Sexual Chemistry’ Question
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What to read: 
'I was raised on America's Next Top Model. The new Netflix documentary is deeply disturbing.'
Shandi was part of the biggest cheating scandal on ANTM. The truth was far worse than what we saw.
Amanda Ware won Australia's Next Top Model after TV's most awkward mix-up. This is her life now.
JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Clare Stephens, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

It&rsquo;s the season to blame Tyra. Netflix&rsquo;s new America&rsquo;s Next Top Model doco has us spiraling back to 2003. It shows us the size-zero era through a 2026 lens, when Tyra Banks was breaking barriers while also showcasing some of the show's seriously batshit behaviour &mdash;from models posing as murder victims to 'makeovers' that involved pulling teeth. Now we&rsquo;re in the MAFS era Clare Stephens wants to know: is every generation&rsquo;s reality TV show of choice just programmed to prompt outrage?&nbsp;
Also, today is Jessie&rsquo;s last day before she goes off on maternity leave. But not before a chaotic handover to her twin, Clare. As Clare prepares to take the seat, she&rsquo;s re-learning the 'rules' of being an Out Loud host.&nbsp;
In other business, does your personality need a mini-makeover of its own? We&rsquo;re talking 'micro-reinvention' &mdash; not big deals like quitting your job; more small shifts like adopting a signature condiment or finally becoming a 'Pilates person'. Holly, for instance, is wearing brown. Big deal. Huge.&nbsp;
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Recommendations
Clare recommends the <a href="https://fave.co/4tYtfWa">"Brick"</a>&mdash;a physical device that locks you out of your apps to fight phone addiction.
Jessie recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4aNBhK9">L&rsquo;Occitane Osmanthus Abricot shower gel</a> or DedCool Taunt Hand and Body Wash for the ultimate vibe shift.
Holly recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4qXIdJm">Eric Dane: Famous Last Words on Netflix</a>&mdash;a raw interview with a man who has nothing left to lose.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-manosphere-groom-tyson">"I'm A Working Mum &amp; I Just Want To Quit"</a></li>
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