Andrew Rule has covered several horrific events in his time in the newsroom. He talks with crime writer Olivia Jenkins about reporting on disasters.

If you want to listen to the full bonus episode in which Andrew talks about what it was like covering the Bali Bombings and how to deal with the trauma of reporting on something like that, subscribe to Crime X+ on Apple Podcasts today or the Herald Sun App. Produced by Andrea Thiis-Evensen.