Shany Mor, an Israeli political scientist, and Palestinian Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, founder of Realign for Palestine, agree on many things: Hamas’ repression of Palestinians, the role of UNWRA and other international organisations in Gaza, and the role of Netanyahu’s government. In this conversation, we also cover how the polarisation in Western public discourse distorts the debate and harms both people’s real interests. We also ask if Norway’s role in the conflict has been counterproductive.